No, I'm pointing out that in the report you've decided to forget that it was speaking about the systemic way of treating the local muslim population as subpar humans and breaching their fundamental freedoms on a daily basis, while, and once again you "forgot" to respond to it, leading a program of culture erasure since the 50's and the Xinjiang independence was in the name of "stability" and "war on terror" since the 90's, using official language change, customs erasure and legislation, while also limiting far more the reproduction rights of the Uyghurs compared to the Hans settlers.
This shit is known, once again, since the 50's, and was documented and reported far before China was considered an economical threat or even a developing nation. Once again, it was such a point of contention between the USSR and the CCP that it lead to multiple wars in the region, documented by the chinese, the ussr, and "the west". At this point, this is willful ignorance.
You consistently "forgetting" about the history of the region, minimizing the human rights violation when it's made by bootwearers with a red flag, and turning millions in "re-education" camps as "just a few individual acts of torture on prisoners", just shows that you just don't give a fuck and that you're just here for the contrarian aesthetic. The simple fact that the UN, which is in big part an organization used to justify and excuse colonialism has to call this shit "crime against humanity" is telling. The meekest of all international organisation cannot even excuse this without it looking like too much bootlicking.
You'd be born 10 years earlier, you would have been radicalized on 4chan instead and would be "ironically" shitposting about holocaust denial and saying shit like "no bro I swear this wasn't a genocide, Hitler wanted to build a jewish paradise on Madagascar, the camps were just temporary work camps and they had to let jews die because the Allies broke the supply lines". You'd be using the same rhetoric to minimize the actions of yet another authoritarian regime dabbling in ethnic cleansing, but since today being a nazi is too mainstream, the new flavor of boot to lick is chinese.
I'm old enough to remember irl tankies, and you're still all the same and will rather side with fascists whenever your limited view of what the left and even communism is is challenged.
You're an authoritarian LARPing as a leftist.
Imagine resorting to moral relativism and legalism to defend crimes against humanity.
Worst than shitlibs and fascists loving centroids.
Are you for real?
Did you read the report you linked? Is your argument truly that it's ok because the word genocide was not employed and it's just sparkly ethnic cleansing and crime against humanity?
“allegations of patterns of torture, or ill-treatment, including forced medical treatment and adverse conditions of detention, are credible, as are allegations of individual incidents of sexual and gender-based violence.” Tweet URL
In a strongly-worded assessment at the end of the report, OHCHR said that the extent of arbitrary detentions against Uyghur and others, in context of “restrictions and deprivation more generally of fundamental rights, enjoyed individually and collectively, may constitute international crimes, in particular crimes against humanity.”
This is not even talking about the forced erasure of the Uyghur by "importation" of Hans chinese in the province and forced marriage that, once again, was known and criticized even by the Soviets since the 50's.
I don’t know about other countries, but I could link to 100 U.S.-based articles in the past few years fearmongering about China. Trump railed against China even before Covid, Covid spawned all sorts of anti-Chinese xenophobia and conspiracy theories, Biden made a big deal out of having the military shoot down a Chinese weather balloon that strayed over the U.S., etc.
Yeah, and that's achieving what exactly? For an alleged ML you're kind of ignoring the material view of this.
That serves absolutely no purpose for the US, the Xinjiang region provides half of the materials needed for electronics in the world, on which the US economy and power heavily relies on.
China is an enormous economic competitor with nukes that is also communist. It is very much a target of the U.S. empire.
"communist" yeah right lol, their flag is red I guess yeah
It's not even really a target for the US empire since they decided to offshore all their production there. They're entirely dependent on them, and financing Chinese economical imperialism in Africa and South America indirectly.
I know it exists and is pretty common in disinformation and propaganda, which is why I wait for international organizations, independent reporters and numerous testimonies before reaching for conclusions.
I also like to consider that when these are the same people and organizations that are making Israel actions public and asking for genocide recognition, than the ones that are doing the same with the Uyghurs genocide for like a decade or two now, they are not Schrodinger propagandists that act at the same time against and for the interests of the US and its imperialists friends (France included).
When I see people making claims that a genocide is not happening when there is an egregious amount of evidences already, using the shittiest wiki entry I've ever seen somewhere in this thread, written by a chinese national from a chinese IP (the edit log is public), with half of the entry having no reference, the other one having chinese state media and youtube videos as source, I'm not only going to be skeptical, but I'll also consider that you'll end up with all the other genocide deniers in history. One of your mate cited Zenz as a gotcha when this shit is known since the 50's and was even a point of contention between the PRC and the Soviets.
Also, as a last note, it doesn't even make sense that the Uyghur genocide would be used as atrocity propaganda simply because of the fact that nobody in the West cares about chineses, muslims and even less about chinese muslims. What would be the point?
In Kuweit and Iraq, it was used to make direct intervention in the country "acceptable" or even positively viewed by the mass. Here, the goal is what? To have sanctions upon China that would cripple only the western economy?
I'll end on a personal note tangentially related that is kind of my conclusion for this whole thread:
Seing all of you parading as "true" leftists while spouting the chinese equivalent of hasbara and not even seing the irony in this makes me hate you even more that shitlibs, and that's even before even considering the history and damage that tankies have done to the worldwide leftist and especially revolutionary movement for the last century.
You'll take whatever is thrown in front of you that agrees with you as proof that you're right rather that actually challenging your views, and for what? Licking the boots of yet another authoritarian regime with state capitalism and a history of purging minorities and commonly violating human rights?
You should try discussing with actual leftist that are not authoritarian cosplayers, far more common in these groups!
Yes, but not only.
So close to understand my obvious point, you can do it!
Who could have thought that on a french instance, you'd find french terms and formulas.
A mystery for the ages.
De mon point de vue c'est des gens un peu cons qui ont suivi le même pipeline de radicalisation qu'il y'avait y'a 10 ans sur 4chan, sauf qu'être un nazi est aujourd'hui mainstream.
Le pipeline d'edgy contrarien c'est donc l'inverse, celui des tankies qui viennent lécher les bottes d'un autoritaire et commettre des génocides, mais cette fois-ci, avec un drapeau rouge. Même attrait pour l'homme fort providentiel, l'élimination d'opposants à la définition aussi floue que variable, aux réponses simples à des problèmes complexes, et un goût prononcé pour les bottes en cuir.
Ils seraient nés 10 ans plus tôt, ils seraient MAGA tier à se branler sur du Camus (Renaud) tout en niant l'existence de la shoah à l'aide de blogs de schizophrènes marginaux.
Either you believe this term was coined after internet forums started existing, or you're talking about me writing wrongly "tankie" as "tanky", which I only did because I have to write in a second language to people too busy licking boots to learn a language different than english.
In both case it's pretty cringe.
You should try TOR marketplaces.
On passerait à côté de participations de qualité comme dans ce thread.
I no longer feel sympathy towards the french
Kinda cringe than in all french history, that's what it took you.
Meh, I use tanky to differentiate between leftists and people that cosplay as leftist while excusing genocide and human rights violation whenever it's their flavor of autocrat doing it, not really as an anti-communist word since nobody uses it like that in the first place.
it sets a firm limit on how radical someone can be
No, it sets a limit on how much you accept your fellow comrades from being used as a stepping tool by an authoritarian regime/dictator to be able to call yourself "communist", while ending up in state capitalism anyway.
I may concede that from my years on hexbear, I associate most participants to this kind of communism flavor by default, which may not be your case, but this thread did not really start in good faith, so why would I.
wew lad, this must be shit tier bait
If you're talking about me, that's kind of a funny way to see it I guess, albeit pretty dumb and most likely lacking in political history for it to be your guess.
Nice dodge!
Thank you for your action.
I just came from a phone call with Macron, and thanks to you, he agreed to get out of Sahel, decolonize our DROM-COM, recognize palestinian genocide and form a french politburo to lead France towards communist revolution.
We couldn't have done without you
For someone now saying there isn’t an argument, you sure did use three consecutive angry adjectives in the same sentence to respond to their comment.
You’ve got quite the imbalance of nerve and self reflection, crying about people being aggressive and acting like unhinged assholes after how you just acted.
You should have realized that I adapt my tone to the one I respond to, by like, reading?
All you do is illustrate how profoundly meaningless your words are. You use the same invective to someone being reasonable as you do someone scolding you.
I don't think we have the same definition of reasonable, might have been lost in translation I guess.
The person who thinks non-whites are gangstalking them
The fuck you're talking about
the person who uses “tanky” as a slur against the only forum which strictly opposes all of the groups currently using tanks
opens hexbear
see a meme in the front page using the same rhetoric as Israel when it denies the palestinian genocide, to deny Uyghurs genocide by China
Kinda selective opposition I guess.
Look at the company you keep. Who else online is obsessed with genocide denial and defending authoritarian regimes? Not the left-wing ones.
Sure bro 👍