Admiral Patrick @ admiralpatrick @lemmy.world

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It's an option, sure. But (at this point anyway) it's more about making a statement and trying to bring visibility to the horrible side effects of this new policy.

I'm not trying to burn bridges, lol, merely shine a light and hope the LW Team sees it.

That's basically the long-form of how I feel about it. Honestly, I was having a hard time staying composed while I responded to the announcement thread; I was livid and absolutely shaking.

I had to resolve the post, but it's there now.

I don't notice a lot of stuff disappearing during federation with LW, but when I do notice it, I just un-upvote my comment and re-upvote it. Seems to kick it in gear. Never tried that with posts, but might work similarly.

I can see this post from .world. Federation looks to be pretty close to in-sync (those activities behind values are only estimates since not necessarily all of those would be bound for lemm.ee). In my experience, "activities behind" value from .world less than 500 is as pretty close to fully in sync as you can really get (sometimes it drops lower, but average for me is 200-500).

Do you have a specific post/comment link that isn't showing up on .world?

Oh, yay. The vote is heavily toward making the "no US politics" rule permanent. As an American, I am happy to see that. I'm so sick of [our] politics everywhere, so I can't imagine the rest of the world being any less sick of it.

FYI: I just added my DO account to the team so I have a local account for seeing reports (which apparently don't federate). I'll just switch between all 3 to check in.

Edit: I did that from LW, but it either hasn't yet federated to DO or it got lost in federation. I'll give it a while to catch up on its own, but may need to have you do it "locally"

Ah, yeah, I think I knew that (or realized it anecdotally) though wasn't aware there was an actual bug for it . I just switch between my two accounts to check throughout the day which works around that, but those communities are all on LW.

I guess I could just switch between all 3 and use my DO one for this (no big deal since I can have multiple profiles).

Yeah, Midwest doesn't seem too bad overall. I wasn't aware of the admin's stances on things until recently, though. I'm not considering defederating or blocking them or anything like that, though the stance on calling for violence and doxxing has caused me some policy problems.

I think using your LW account should be fine? Or perhaps we should add both your dubvee.org and LW accounts

Probably just the LW one would be fine. I already switch back and forth regularly to mod a couple communities on LW anyway.

then go through the procedure above in order for you to be merely a mod but not at the top

I made that a lot easier to handle in Tesseract through the mod team management panel, but the one thing I'm not clear on is if only admins can transfer the community or if the "top mod" can as well (I think both, but don't hold me to that). There's also a Lemmy bug where "top mod" can do things that admins even can't (which i need to submit an issue for, but I forget the exact circumstances to trigger it, and it's annoying to recover from lol).

Beehaw for most of my time on the Fediverse, but now that I do I kinda like it - and yet don't (or at least am not entirely sure) at the same time, b/c I saw for instance people advocating for actual murder there

Yeah, I'm not sure. I squash that kind of rhetoric pretty quickly locally (regardless of who it's directed at). I do know they mod heavily, but there definitely seems to be some lag (I don't think they have community mods; the admin team is also the mod team for all their communities). I don't think I ever checked back on some of the stuff I reported to see how it was handled.

But I don't know if you would be able to see those from dubvee.org?

No, I would have to federate with an instance to see content from there, even if it's relayed through a third instance (DO in this case).

I don't block any users on my LW account, and Tesseract has some safeguards in place so that if you block an instance the content from that instance still shows up in communities you're a moderator of (e.g. I did block .ml on my LW account, and I typically don't see any content from its users except in the communities I moderate there).

Though there does seem a need for a truly, fully USA-wide community as well,

Yeah. There was a thread earlier today about a new LOTR meme community and in the comments there, some concerning things were brought to light about midwest (where the main LOTR memes community lives), so I'm happy to see an alternative elsewhere.

So Discuss.Online can help there - like dubvee.org it even lacks the name "Lemmy" that can conjure up thoughts of the tankie origins of the software (a saga that many Redditors are familiar with - I at first strongly hesitated to join it myself, though

Yeah, plus it doesn't add extra load to LW; there's often significant federation delay to many instances. I do have a Discuss Online account, but I already switch back and forth to my LW account to mod other communities, so it makes more sense to use that one, though I can easily switch between all 3 if the DO one would be the preferred one to use.

Heh, my home instance is closer to Beehaw than LW or DO since we're a lot heavier moderated and some of the more extreme takes / users are kept in check (like Beehaw, I'm going for a chill / safe vibe rather than being more general purpose, "as long as it's not illegal" free-for-all). Not throwing shade at either, just different goals is all. So, I don't really mod with my "home" account since there's just too many blind spots.

Awesome. You've got a knack for that for sure. The new LOTR memes community seems to be taking off.

Tesseract doesn't make you jump through these hoops to manage the mod team, just sayin' 😛

But like I said in the other thread, I'd just want to be an "extra set of eyes" on the community rather than leading it. I've barely had time to grow the communities I wanted to, and spend most of my time here in TenForward or working on Tess.

I'd be willing to moderate it from my Lemmy World account (this one), but I do not want to be "top mod". Mostly I'm willing to help keep trolls and rif-raff at bay and enforce the rules. Rules look okay to me, but I guess they can be fine-tuned as the need arises?

If you think people screeching, celebrating, frothing at the mouth, and advocating violence is "popular sentiment" then you're part of the goddamned problem.

If you're browsing "Subscribed" sure. But don't browse "all" just to shit on things you have no interest in. Block the community and move on 🤷‍♂️

Thanks for the additional info. I'm gonna set up test cases in the UI I work with and try to confirm (and handle it better if need be). A UI bug was my assumption as well.

Thanks. I'll add that to my test cases for the UI I work with. I don't think I've ever tried to block a community the test user was banned from, so I'm curious if it's an API restriction or the way the UI handles it. Will prob also submit a bug once I figure out which.

Edit: That looks like the community options that have the "block community" button are all hidden when you're banned rather than the "block" functionality being restricted. I'm almost positive now that it's just a UI bug. Will still add it to my test cases, though.

Yep. Banning users who aren't subscribed to a community and are just downvoting everything that comes up is pretty common and understandable.

The typical modlog entry I see for that is "block the community or curate your feed", and I think that's pretty justified. It's like intentionally showing up somewhere you don't want to be just to "booooo" everything there. Being asked to leave and not demoralize the people just trying to exist in their own space is perfectly fine, IMO.

Also, what's up with not being able to block a community you're banned from?

Wait, really? I'm gonna have to check on that. Curious if that's an API limitation or a frontend bug. What frontend did you use? Lemmy-UI?

Your last submission was a little lot too "Thanos was right, and we should do that" but without a fictional framing device. If you can re-work it to be a little lot less dehumanizing to 50% of the world's population, please feel free to resubmit.

But I will say that those people you're calling parasites would probably be more "useful" to society if society wasn't largely an orphan crushing machine and they had a chance to utilize their potential.

Again, if you can rework it so it's not "Thanos was right", feel free to resubmit. This post, however, is not an unpopular opinion and I'm going to have to remove it.

Fantastic use of X's 😆 Well done.