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And what do you hope to accomplish by blaming the electorate? They're not going anywhere. You can bitch about the voters all you want. But ultimately, if you fail to appeal to them, that just means you're a bad politician. Complaining about voters is like complaining about the weather.

Reading comprehension. You're confusing policies for candidate quality. Trump was a good politician with shitty policies. Kamala was a dog shit politician with ok policies.

It's pointless to blame the electorate because they're not going anywhere. Or are you more of a Zionist type, who would prefer just killing the electorate if they don't vote your way?

Why do you expect anyone to care about democracy. Only the wealthiest 10% of the population lives in a democracy. 90% of the population has zero actual democratic power. You don't live in a democracy.

And Kamala, a candidate who was annointed, not elected, could credibly run on a platform of democracy.

I remember having arguments with these Blue MAGA muppets during the election. I kept trying to explain to them why it was insanity to pretend the economy was fine. But they were morons with a 1984 streak that would make Orwell blush, and thought they could just manifest their way to an election victory. They kept citing CPI data, saying, "but inflation adjusted wages have never been higher!" When you pointed out that inflation purposefully leaves out a lot of the volatility in prices people were reeling from, and how not all income groups experience inflation equally? They didn't want to hear it.

Remember the absolutely insulting, just disgustingly condescending term "vibession?" I do. That term alone probably cost Kamala the election. The only thing that makes people angrier than having to deal with a rotten economy is to have their leaders gaslight them and pretend nothing is wrong.

These morons didn't want to hear it. They have a three monkeys belief system. Just ignore all problems, pretend everything is fine, and just try to bluff your way to victory on election day. You point out the suicidally stupid policies that were killing the Kamala campaign, and they just acted like three year olds saying, "harumf, I guess you want Trump to win!"

This is exactly what people are referring to when they describe liberal arrogance. Criticism is unacceptable. Shut up and tow the line. Vote Blue No Matter Who (unless there's a progressive on the ticket.)

You're right. Republicans are awful. Trump is awful. The Republicans handed the election to Democrats on a silver platter, and the DNC still managed to fuck it up.

The problem is you're lying. Progressives hold their nose and vote for Centrists, but Centrists never return the favor. "Vote Blue No Matter Who" is a cudgel used by traitors to the party who just want to silence Progressive voices. Those same people then turn around and fight against Progressives every time they manage to win a primary. How can you see what's going on with Mamdani and learn nothing from it?

Because you're lying. Progressives hold their nose and vote for centrists, but that loyalty only goes one way. Centrists sabotage progressive candidates. Centrists would rather lose to a Republican than see a Progressive win.

Every 10 years the Israelis have to all move to Gaza, and the Gazans get to move into Israel. They trade places every ten years.

Found the Republican trying to divide the left.

If you have a problem with the number of people your partner slept with prior to meeting you, you really shouldn't be dating, as you need therapy to work through your issues before you start mucking about with other people.

She was objectively worse. Trump represented his base. Kamala didn't. Trump is objectively the better politician. He gave his base exactly what they wanted. She refused to, preferring to pander to wealthy conservatives instead. You can argue she had better policies, but you cannot argue that she wasn't an absolute dogshit candidate. She was simply bad at being a politician and had no business being at the top of the ticket.

You need to separate quality of policies from quality of candidate. You'll never make any progress as long as you keep conflating the two.

Not really. The Tear Party replaced a pro-business party with an even more pro-business party. Or they replaced the pro-business party with a more bigoted pro-business party. They made no fundamental challenge to the power of wealth and influence within the Republican party. And they were not a real grass roots organization.

The only people I routinely read on here bringing up non-voting are centrists. All the progressives, aside from a few performative tankies, I read on here said, "I'll hold my nose and vote for Kamala, but her choices are going to cost her the election."

The progressives showed up and voted for Kamala. And just like the progressives predicted, her shit policies meant that large numbers of low-engagement voters simply saw no reason to vote for her. Her democracy message fell flat because if you're in the poorest 90% of the US, you do not live in a democracy.

You're arguing against your own masturbatory fantasy.

The left came out and voted for Harris. They held their nose and voted for the shit pile centrist, as they always do. We've seen with Mamdani that this loyalty is a one way street. Progressives hold their nose and vote for centrists, but centrists do not return the favor.

Harris lost because she couldn't drive enough politically unaligned, low-engagement voters to the polls. The average person who isn't that involved in politics simply didn't think it was credible that Harris would improve their lives in any way.

Aside from a few performative tankies, the message I kept reading on lemmy was "I'm going to vote for Harris, but her dog shit policies are going to cost her the election." And those progressive voices were ignored. Their desperate warnings were drowned out by people like yourself, sticking their fingers in their ears and going, "BLAH BLAH BLAH CAN'T HEAR YOU, VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO! IT'S YOUR FAULT IF THE FASCISTS WIN, I HOLD NO RESPONSIBILITY HERE!"

Progressives do vote for centrists. Centrists do not return the favor and vote for progressives. Harris didn't lose because the left staying home; the left held their nose and voted for her, even though that loyalty is a one-way street. She lost because she was such a dog shit candidate that she couldn't drive enough people who aren't highly politically engaged to the polls. The only reason she lost the election was because of her own poor decisions. Stop blaming the left for the failures of centrist democrats.

No. I'm talking about giving Iron Dome batteries to the command of Gazan militia forces. If we are going to support Israeli armed self defense, we also need to support Gazan armed self defense. I'm not talking food aid here. I'm talking missiles.

How is it different? There are plenty of Israelis who condemn Netanyahu and his atrocities. They should be killed because they were born in the wrong nation and more of their neighbors supported this leader?

I agree. We should give the Israelis defensive missiles. But only after we've given the Gazans enough military aid to protect their own skies against incursion by the Israelis. After all, the Gazans are clearly the ones in much objectively greater need. We only have so many missiles to give. We need to give them to those with the greatest need. Once the Gazans are well defended, then we can worry about providing aid to the wealthy country.

Because she doesn't place Palestinians and Israelis on equal moral footing. Fundamentally, she doesn't believe they both have an equal claim to humanity. This is obvious because she is proposing giving defensive missiles to the Israelis, but not to the Palestinians, who objectively are at much, much greater need of defensive military aid.

You cannot truly believe both Palestinians and Israelis are equally human unless you recognize they both have an equal right of armed self defense. The Gazans have just as much right to kill in self defense as the Israelis do.

I will support giving defensive missiles at the same time we give the Palestinians military aid to defend themselves as well. Remember, the Palestinians have just as much right to armed self defense as the Israelis. In fact, the Palestinians obviously need a lot more defensive military tech than the Israelis. I'll support giving the Israelis defensive missiles after we've already given the Gazans so many that they can establish their own no fly zone over Gaza.

Obviously, if the goal is defending children, we need to start with the most vulnerable children first. We should send missile batteries to the Gazans first. After their safety is assured, then we can worry about the much richer much more powerful country.