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Trump’s mass purge of state department likely to sow chaos, US diplomats say

www.theguardian.com

Project 2025 blueprint for second Trump term envisages replacing thousands of career staff with political loyalists

America’s career diplomats are braced for the threat of a mass purge if Donald Trump wins the November election and for the potential flooding of the state department with loyalty-tested political appointees.

Rather than leading to a seamless change of course in a rightward Trumpist direction, the diplomats’ union and former ambassadors argue, such an attempted takeover would be much more likely to end in legal challenges, gridlock and chaos.

If elected, Trump has threatened to reinstate a policy he unsuccessfully attempted in his first term with the creation of “Schedule F”, a new category of federal employees which would be applied to tens of thousands of civil servants in “policy-related” jobs, robbing them of legal protections and making them liable to be fired at will.

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That's probably the least insane part about Project 2025
Project contributor Jeffrey Clark advises the future president to immediately deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and direct the DOJ to pursue Donald Trump's adversaries by invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807. The Project recommends the arrest, detention, and deportation of undocumented immigrants. It promotes capital punishment and the speedy "finality" of such sentences.
Using the military to hunt dissidents and then recommending "speedy" capital punishment is pretty on-brand for conservatives.
- It's humorous (in a hopeless, resigned, utterly defeated nihilistic sort of way) how transparent the fascism has gotten. "Trump's advisor recommends jack-booted thugs use legal pretext to punish political opponents without due process."
  At least give me some subtext to decode, don't slap me in the face with it like a wet slice of bologna.
  
  The GOP primarily used dog whistles until Trump showed them you can just say the quiet part out loud and MAGA will eat it up.
  
  I prefer it to be open and obvious so the people who support it can't hide behind pretending to misunderstand it.
- Unless they plan on repealing the Posse Comitatus Act, the military cannot be ordered to serve as law enforcement on US soil.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
  
  That's why they reference the Insurrection Act. Whether the current situation meets the criteria laid out does not matter to them.
  It should be obvious by now that words on the books do not stop fascists. They intend to stack public institution far and deep with party loyalists so that nobody can say "no" to their will...legally, anyway.
  
  Generally the military and police lean into fascism so at that point I'm not sure current rules and law would stop them
  
  It's adorable that people think piddling things like laws will stop fascists
  
  They can do anything they want if the Supreme Court rules 5-4 and says they can.
  
  Well it's a good thing trump didn't stack the courts then.......
- Yeah if it succeeds it will likely be remembered as similar to our Wannsee Conference. The goal is mass execution of undesirables
What do you mean 'if he wins', you guys should fucking riot. Wasn't he convicted 34 times? He should be in prison
- Obama broke Occupy. Biden and Clinton are vocal about not supporting the anti-genocide protests (except to say the protestor have specific rights).
  There are no political leaders sympathetic to protests here. Only those who could maybe be cowed if we really fought. If that was likely, the FBI would infiltrate and agitators would create reasons for enforcement.
  We're talking Floyd levels of riot that would remind people of Jan 6th and leave people feeling justified. MLKs proymtests were NOT popular at the time... We're looking for something and someone like that. Closest we've got is Shawn Fain.
  My riot, for now, is my vote and my tepid support of formerly-Dark Brandon. He's done a lot. More than most. But Garland was a shit pick. And now we're here with trials delayed all over the place because Garland dithered.
  
  After Trump’s weaponized dispatching of DHS and Secret Service against the protesters in Portland, I doubt we’ll see any success from protests or riots against his election. Just lots of arrests and injuries, and possibly some deaths.
  Biden spoke in defense of our right to protest. He spoke out against disorderly conduct and attacks at protests.
- US riots will always be localized or at least treated as such by the media, and thus isolated from the rest of the country. It’ll just be more city riots that further divide both sides, giving one justification for cracking down on the other
  
  Set the countryside on fire.
If he can follow up on even a portion of what he promises, a 2nd Trump presidency will bring the USA to a halt at multiple levels like a car hitting a reinforced wall. The best version of a Trump presidency is him raging daily as he's blocked constantly by legal challenges and bureaucratic measures thus getting nothing done. The worst version is that he succeeds in his goals, reforms the USA into a right-wing autocracy and destroys things like checks/balances and separation of church and state.
"Likely?"
A purge of any government agency would cause chaos. They work because of lifetime civil servants who are dedicated to making things work regardless of who is in charge.
- He purged the State Department at the beginning of his presidency, so we already understand the damage it will do:
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/29/state-department-purge-trump-foreign-policy
EnRussification of US
No. Fucking. Shit.
- Due to DNC and Biden inaction and corruption there is a massive enough majority who will set the world on fire and watch as it all burns down.
  When Drumpf wins Nov2024 you will know who to blame for this fiasco. And it will be too little too late. Start planning for a mass exodus to Mexico or Canada.
  When a large enough brain-drain happens, there is a direct national impact. So if enough sensible people leave after Nov2024, there will be enough stagnation and consequences that most govt operations should grind to almost non-existence. Come Nov2028 if y'all 'Muricans foreign or domestic can't take back the govt with absolute majorities, forget about it all for the next 50 years. Once enough SCOTUS replacement happens, maybe, maybe there will be a chance to cleanup all the damage and pickup the pieces.
  
  Come Nov2028 if y’all 'Muricans foreign or domestic can’t take back the govt with absolute majorities, forget about it all for the next 50 years
  Project 2025 is specifically meant to prevent conservatives from losing power once Trump is elected – they're literally planning to use the military as domestic law enforcement to "quell unrest on election day" and to use the DOJ to hunt "Trump's adversaries." I wouldn't be surprised if the coming presidential election was the last free election the US sees.
Well yeah it’s intended to sow chaos and topple our government
This sounds scary and I have no reason to claim this but I believe this will just blow up in their face.
Something they overlooked that will be used against them
- The playbook for Project 2025 is about 1000 pages long. A think tank with decades of experience about US politics is behind it. Heritage Foundation heavily influenced a lot of policies of past GOP presidents.
  In a german podcast I recently heard about a few of the keypoints of their plans. Let me just say: 2017 wasn't the most important election in the USA. It's this year. Especially when regarding what's happening in Europe and also with the climate. The world can't afford "Drill baby drill" or guys like DeSantis getting blank checks and other foobar situations like mask bans everywhere or leaving NATO.
  If you're not considering Dark Brandon you're just not informed enough.
  
  Look I'm not trying to downplay genuinely but every election will be this and has been. From Carter to Regan to Bush and Obama. They're all really important.
  That said, they slammed abortion and it harmed them. They rigged the election for Bush but failed for Trump.
  I don't think they're on the rise, I think they're thrashing struggling for air here. Project 2025 is desperation in my eyes.
So. Like...
those diplomats get the Captain Obvious award for the day.
Somebody tell them what they've won!
- Maybe obvious to you and I, not necessarily obvious to anyone. These issues need to be pointed out as often and loudly as possible. People need to understand absolutely and completely the warnings about electing Trump.
- Fascism!

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