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    pig poop balls

    in person

    keep a stack of business cards with pig poop balls printed on them and hand them out to people with bad takes

  • Ask them why the israeli Ministry of Defense, their military command and a legit target in a conflict, sits right in the middle of Tel Aviv, surrounded by civilian buildings.

  • The same people claiming that Hamas uses human shields in Gaza claimed the Taliban used human shields in Afghanistan, claimed Saddam used human shields in Iraq, claimed the Viet Cong used human shields in Vietnam, etc. It's just a "Look what you made me do" excuse for the occupying force killing innocent people.

  • It's worth looking at past times when Israel has used this argument. https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/special-sessions/session9/fact-finding-mission

    The Mission’s attention has been drawn to a well-known incident in which women and children followed calls to gather on the roof of the house of a Palestinian man who had been informed by the Israeli authorities that his house would be targeted. This incident has been documented in video footage in the public domain and is referred to in submissions received by the Mission as evidence of the use of human shields. The Mission notes, however, that the incident occurred in 2007. No such incidents are alleged by the Israeli Government with regard to the military operations that began on 27 December 2008. The Mission received no reports of such incidents from other sources. On the contrary, in one case investigated by the Mission, a Hamas official received a phone call from the Israeli armed forces to the effect that his house would soon be targeted. He evacuated the house with his family and alerted the neighbours to the imminent threat so that they, too, were able to leave their homes before the missile did indeed strike

    Finally, on this issue, it is relevant to mention that the Israeli Government has produced no visual or other evidence to support its allegation that Palestinian combatants “mingle routinely with civilians in order to cover their movements”.

    1. The Mission is unable to make any determination on the general allegation that Palestinian armed groups used mosques for military purposes. It notes that, in the one incident it investigated of an Israeli attack on a mosque, it found no indication that the mosque was so used.
    1. On the basis of the investigations it has conducted, the Mission did not find any evidence to support the allegations that hospital facilities were used by the Gaza authorities or by Palestinian armed groups to shield military activities and that ambulances were used to transport combatants or for other military purposes.
    1. On the basis of the information it gathered, the Mission found no indication that the civilian population was forced by Hamas or Palestinian armed groups to remain in areas under attack from the Israeli armed forces

    And so on. Page 218 onwards, on the other hand, describes the IDF using Palestinians as human shields.

    So what about since Oct. 7th? Here's Amnesty International's findings on the investigation of three strikes with heavy civilian casualties:

    In all three cases, Amnesty International did not find any evidence that there had been any military targets in or around the locations targeted by the Israeli military, raising serious concerns that these attacks amount to direct attacks on civilians and civilian objects, which are war crimes. Israel has not provided any information about the attacks in Rafah, and has only provided general allegations, which it later contradicted, regarding the attack on al-Maghazi.

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/05/israel-opt-israeli-air-strikes-that-killed-44-civilians-further-evidence-of-war-crimes-new-investigation/

    Meanwhile, there are numerous examples of Israelis using Palestinians as human shields. Marching Palestinians in front of them as they move into territory. Sending a Palestinian into a hospital to warn them to evacuate, and then shooting that same man dead when he left. We know that IDF operatives dressed as doctors and nurses and entered a civilian hospital to shoot patients in their bed. IN THE WEST BANK.

    Are there Hamas installations in close proximity to civilian buildings? Gaza is one of most densely populated areas on earth, so it would be impossible for that not to be the case. But it also wouldn't be unusual, and there are IDF facilities near civilian buildings as well. My city has an army barracks in a fucking residential area, I suppose that justifies my liquidation in the event of a war then.

    Because all this doesn't even touch on the fact that this argument is trotted out to justify the unjustifiable: "They were hiding amongst children, so we had to kill all the children"

    An argument that is morally vacuous at best. Apply it to any other situation: "There was a shooting in a school so we bombed the school."

  • I mean I would recommend going to extreme measures to avoid any person who makes these arguments in person. They are quite literally openly "justifying" the murder of children and the destruction of an entire society. I don't care what their biases and motivations are: the human shields bullshit has been thoroughly destroyed since even 10/7 including many MSM segments.

    But if you feel the need to converse with fascists, I guess you could say "isn't the point of a human shield to prevent the aggressor from shooting? If a bank robber took a hostage, do you support the cops shooting the hostage in the head a dozen times just to maybe hit the robber?" Or "Who is killing the people in Gaza? Is Hamas shooting their own friends' babies or it is Israel doing it?" Continue down this line. They usually flip in about one or two layers to just outright "I don't care. I hope they all die." Which is unfortunately the best you can hope for. For the fascists to be honest in their beliefs instead of hiding. Some will continue to just repeat "No Hamas is forcing the Israelis to kill kids." You could say to them: "The Nazis justified murdering babies and millions of innocent men and women by saying it was self defense of the Aryan Germans. They said they had no choice and these "subhumans" forced them to kill them."

  • Here's the idea behind "human shield".

    -Person A wants to do violence against Person B.

    -Person B hides behind Person C, assuming that Person A respects the life and well being of Person C MORE than wanting to do violence to Person B.

    So, cop goes after a robber and says, "Freeze or I'll shoot!" The robber grabs a customer, expecting that the cop won't shoot because the bullet will likely hit the customer instead of the robber. Cop refuses to pull the trigger because its their responsibility to not harm the customer MORE than shooting the robber. This is an example of human shielding.

    If the robber expected the cop to not worry about harming the customer and fire, the robber isn't using the customer as a human shield.

    So the question becomes... what about Israel's actions toward Palestinian civilians matches the idea of a "human shield?" The answer is nothing.

    Hamas builds a command post underneath a hospital full of Palestinian civilians? Israel will not hesitate to attack the hospital, damaging its ability to function as a hospital as well as killing the patients.

    A Hamas political/military leader is positively ID'd but is at home with their family or out buying groceries? Israel will drop a bomb or fire a missile at that location, without hesitation, maiming or killing everybody.

    A Palestinian resistance operation launches a salvo of rockets from some blasted out building in the north of a city? Israel will drop bombs on Palestinian refugees in the south of the city.

    There are videos photos of Israeli troops bringing Palestinian prisoners to an unsecured location and ordering them to walk around checking the doors and rooms for traps or resistance fighters.

    Peaceful demonstrations by Palestinians have been met with sniper fire that has killed people in wheel chairs and walking on crutches, killed medics and others trying to render aid to those shot, and maimed other demonstrators by shooting them in the legs.

    Zionism requires an ethno state of a Jewish majority. By its very nature, ALL Palestinians are unworthy of existence as equals with Israelis. So it doesn't make sense to use the human shielding argument against Hamas as the state of Israel doesn't actually put a priority on ANY Palestinian life. Israeli occupation forces will kill any Palestinian whether they are a member of a militant resistance faction or just some old man trying to get a loaf of bread to eat for the day.

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