Biden is dramatically out of touch with voters on Gaza. He may lose because of it
Biden is dramatically out of touch with voters on Gaza. He may lose because of it
The president’s shedding key constituencies. If morality won’t move him to end his support of this war, will self-interest?
On the issue of Gaza, Biden is dramatically out of touch with the voters he needs to win re-election. If he will not be moved by morality to stop his support of this war, he should be moved by vulgar self-interest. Gaza is not a distant foreign conflict: it is an urgent moral emergency for large swaths of voters. Biden will lose those voters – and may indeed lose the election – if he does not cease his support of these atrocities.
Biden has that rare opportunity in politics: to help the country, and himself, by doing the right thing. But he must do so now. Both the Palestinian people and his own election prospects are running out of time.
Anyone not voting for Biden because of Gaza is a fucking idiot. Trump will be 10x worse for Palestinians. Remember who moved the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. That was designed as a provocation.
This sentiment is idiotic. There are plenty of reasons not to vote for Biden. Don't blame people who actually vote with a spine for the shit political problem in America. Voting for the "lesser evil" has just been a slide further and further right for decades.
No representation, no vote. People can and should vote for who they feel aligned with and everyone should be okay with other people doing that. You know, actual democracy and shit. Fuck this team sports shit. Third party is an option. If the dems actually wanted to win they would offer basically any other candidate.
Biden dropping a $37bn package to bolster police forces in response to peaceful student protests should show you that its fascism on both sides of the coin.
If Trump wins, at least the liberals and the leftists might actually realign and then maybe something decent will happen before we are all obliterated/enslaved by our corporate overlords.
Either way we are in for more dumpster fires.
so you are pro trump and the what he will do to Palestine, got it. Third part will never be elected to the office of president until there is third party support in all other levels and branches of the government. This is by design of how our elections work. You get 2 choices, if you vote for a third option you are in fact voting for your least favorite option. I am saying this as someone who was a 3rd party voter up until 2016 and voted for that bitch Jill Stein who turned out to be a russian shill.
Anyone not voting for Biden because of Gaza is a fucking idiot.
The democracts insist on maintaining this position despite the mountain of evidence that it's driving down turn out in their base, and does not represent the wishes of the electorate.
Why is it that voters have to swallow genocide, and not that democrats have to stop perpetuating electorally unpopular genocide?
Of course trump will be worse and i'll be holding my nose and voting for biden but it makes no sense to blame voters for the inevitable and foreseeable consequences of the imperial cowardice of the democratic party.
Genocide sympathizer.
There is no shortage of idiots. There never has been.
Doubt. Eventually people will realize that for as bad as Biden is with regards to Gaza, he’s doing a lot right domestically, and the other guy would be much, much, MUCH worse
We should just tell him we will vote for him no matter what.
That's surely how you influence the geriatric corporate owned politicians who allegedly "represent" us.
Personally, I really, really, really wish we had a viable third party candidate. I don't want either of these fucks in office.
Until we get rid of FPTP voting nationally, 3rd parties cannot win and can only spoil. The best we can hope for is a third party is popular enough that they displace another party. Which would be a years to decades long change as local, state and national representatives get replaced slowly.
More likely what would happen is what the GOP did to the 2 contenders: the Tea Party and Insurrection Party. The GOP just absorbed and changed to meet them.
The way voters protest this sort of issue doesn't follow logic or reason. People will happily not vote in protest, even if it means somebody far worse will win because of their actions. Cutting off their nose to spite their face.
I think the news needs to shame these kind of voters, instead of pushing this narrative that it's Biden's fault. Biden's views are his own, and yeah, the news should try to highlight and change them. But, voter patterns of using "uncontested" or third-party candidates to sabotage the main electees is actively destroying Democrats' chances of winning elections.
I'm sorry, your take is that we need to shame people for ...standing against a genocide? for deciding that supporting the deaths of an entire culture of people is the line too far for their conscience to support? You think that deserves to be attacked and shamed?
The U.S. has no obligation to participate in genocide, and can start withholding aid at any time. If Democrat leadership has decided it's more important to exterminate Palestine than prevent a Trump election, that's going to remain on the Democrats.
instead of pushing this narrative that it’s Biden’s fault
But... it is his fault? His job is to represent his constituents, which he's not doing. He's literally refusing to do his job as an elected representative. That you think it's the electorate's job to align with a President (and thus, a failing on their part not to) is antithetical to Democracy.
Here's an interesting hypothetical for you:
How close would Biden need to be to Trump, before you wouldn't vote for him? What issues would he need to change his stance on? I'm not saying he's close, I'm interested to know which of your personal values are red-lines?
If the answer is, "nothing, so long as he is at all better than Trump", then we're never going to see eye-to-eye, because to me at that point your rhetoric is incapable of combating our current slide towards fascism (just as I believe Biden is). If there are red-lines for you, then ask yourself why your personal red-lines are more important or valid than the people who you're shaming for saying he's crossed theirs.
Sadly, I suspect that the answer for many Democrats is the same as it is for Republicans; they'll only stand up to the party once they are personally harmed by the party's policies.
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Dismiss the 'sjws' sure, but it's literally impossible for democrats to win the presidency unless black voters are enthusiastic about the candidate. Biden's Gaza stance hurts him with black voters.
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The Biden campaign has long been shrugging at the president’s fading polls, turning down opportunities to put him in front of voters, and generally doing their best to portray an air of confident nonchalance.
A new dataset released by the New York Times on 13 May found that Biden was trailing in five key swing states – Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada and Pennsylvania – and suffering from disillusionment among young voters as well as Black and Latino ones.
“Drawing broad conclusions about the race based on results from one poll is a mistake,” Geoff Garin, a pollster for the Biden campaign, told the New York Times.
If that figure cannot shake you into moral recognition, consider that many of those children have endured their amputations without anesthesia, since medicine – like food – has largely been prohibited from being delivered to Gaza by Israeli authorities.
And though his White House repeatedly leaks that he is “privately” dismayed by Israel’s conduct of the war, he has done little to stop the flow of US money and guns that support it.
But these lesser-of-two-evils argument do not lessen the tax on the conscience that many anti-war Americans will feel when they consider whether to vote for Biden in spite of his support for the genocide in Gaza.
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