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International Criminal Court chief prosecutor seeks arrest warrants for Israeli PM and Hamas leaders

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ICC chief prosecutor seeks arrest warrants for Israeli PM and Hamas leaders over alleged war crimes

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International Criminal Court chief prosecutor seeks arrest warrants for Israeli PM and Hamas leaders

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ICC to seek arrest warrants for Israeli, Hamas leaders

www.abc.net.au /news/2024-05-20/icc-seeks-arrest-warrants-for-netanyahu-hamas-leaders/103871928

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1y ago

International Criminal Court chief prosecutor seeks arrest warrants for Israeli PM and Hamas leaders

www.abc.net.au /news/2024-05-20/icc-seeks-arrest-warrants-for-netanyahu-hamas-leaders/103871928

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This is such a smart move: it really cuts the legs out from under the "....bbbbut Hamas are terrorist!!" bad-faith arguments.
- Yup!
  Also addresses that, regardless of the Israeli apartheid regime's response being immeasurably worse, the leaders of Hamas DID also commit war crimes and violated the human rights of civilians, which you're not allowed to do no matter how much you're oppressed and abused..
  
  Considering the leaders of Hamas are flitting around on private jets seeing all their fellow war criminals... I dont think we can say they're particularly oppressed or abused. Theyre just using those that are for their own malicious purposes.
- The headline focuses on Israel, but the prosecutor has also called for arrest warrants of the top two Hamas figures.
  
  They're only separated by the word "and"
- If that's the reason behind the arrest warrens for Hamas, doesn't it make the ICC's chief request in bad faith? Like "I really want to issue warrants only for Netanyahu, but I know this will be unfair, so I'll issue warrants for both sides, so I'll seem balanced"?
  
  Pretty sure the reason for the Hamas warrants is that they ordered their soldiers to gun down civilians en masse.
Somehow they'll find a way to say it's antisemitic
They sure will get him this time
I know what you are getting at OP, but I can’t say I find ‘both sides committed atrocities ‘ uplifting, exactly
- Well that parts a given. We all know it. The new and uplifting part is that they might actually see a modicum of justice for said atrocities, even though one of them is America's favorite apartheid regime.
No, this is not uplifting for anyone (except maybe people who hate Netanyahu and/or Israel and don't really care about Palestinians).
Right now there is some humanitarian aid going into Gaza, despite objections from the far-far-right Israeli coalition parties. The excuse Netanyahu used to get their (semi-)cooperation is by saying "Well, this is the bare minimum so Israel won't get hit by sanctions". The warrants, if granted, will create motivation for Netanyahu to give in and reduce humanitarian aid (he cares much more about personal sanctions than sanctions against the country).
Also, Netanyahu will use the warrants and Israel's isolation to strengthen his own position in the government, fortify his position and lower the chances for his government to implode.
- So what? Are you saying we should just let the war crimes slide?
  
  No, what I'm saying is:
  a. The immediate goal shouldn't be to punish Netanyahu for war crimes, rather solve (at least improve) the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.
  b. Arrest warrants against Netanyahu will not help improve the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, if anything they'll make the situation worse (There are already calls from far-right members of Knesset to stop all humanitarian aid to Gaza as a response).
  Therefor, this is uplifting news for anyone who hates Netanyahu/Israel more than they want to help Palestinians.
- Sure, daddy might beat me sometimes. But if you tell the cops to arrest him, he said he’ll get his friend to beat me harder.
  
  Err... Yes?
  I mean, if the cops can't actually come into your city, having them waiting outside the city limits with signs saying "if you'll come out we'll arrest you!" probably isn't the best course of action for you.

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