Anon is tired

Hot take: corporatism and infotainment. You control money and information, you control the world.

Capitalism
Corporatism=literally capitalism
Major media bodies are owned by corporations or the state, and the state is also owned by corporations, so they functionally control all of it. QED Socialism or barbarism.
Nope education is the downfall. Teach critical thinking well and you won't have such a malleable idiotic population that buys into either of those.
- That's maybe a part, but not the whole story.
  Your (and your parents', and your peers') real and perceived economic circumstances and opportunities have a lot to do with what you'll value and prioritize as an adult - how invested and loyal you'll be in society. Every poor person we generate due to greedy decisions has a very high likelihood of being a destructive force back to us.
  Now consider how many poor people were generated by black slavery, segregation, and explicit racism in America, and how, in a society, we all just swim around in the same trauma soup, deflecting pain towards one another.
- Education was destroyed by the same people who forced corporate news down our throats.
- Almost none of my well educated professional-managerial class peers have developed class consciousness. They seem to be even more class clueless than blue & pink collar workers.
It's literally just capitalism, Marx called this alienation under capital
Pitchshifter warned us.
- I'm safe in the knowledge that we'll all be saved.
- Man I used to have the dopest pitchshifter wife beater when I was 18
- The 90s industrial/nu metal band?
This is the coldest take on Lemmy. Not that it's wrong, though.

I wonder if it has anything to do with the system we've built to buy and sell products, owning, trading and hoarding capital? No, that can't be it...

The constant revamping of the production process, the uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, and the everlasting uncertainty and agitation of society distinguish the bourgeois era from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relationships, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away. All new-formed relationships become outdated before they can solidify. All that is fixed melts into air, all that is sacred is profaned, and people are at last compelled to face with sober senses their real conditions of life, and thier relations with each other.
-Some guy, in some manifesto, in 1848

The question "Where did we go wrong?" being asked on 4chan in /b/ is funny to me.

Cue John Travolta looking around gif
This was my feeling as well. Hey Anon, go look in the fuckin' mirror if you want to know where we went wrong.

Damn straight, homie stumbled upon alienation and commodity fetishism all at once
Capitalism is tearing me apart Lenin!

Don't vote Conservative

Next year will mark my 16th year voting for democrats, all they do is kick the can and move the line. While I don't think there is anything wrong with saying don't vote conservative, I do think it's a bit like saying "CLOSE YOUR WINDOWS" when a tornado is coming. We're screwed regardless of who we vote for, the only thing that changes is the rate at which we're screwed; that is why Anon is sick of life.
- Democrats are also conservatives. If you allow the oligarchs and aristocrats to choose who represents you then they will always choose candidates who rule in their interest. You can't change this system by playing within the ruleset you're given. Democratic power can only ever be wielded by unions of workers and communes of citizens. Those organizations combine and concentrate the power of regular people and can effectively wield this against the ruling class.
- The FPTP voting system means everyone is held hostage voting for the party they hate the least. If you vote for a third party you just make it more likely the party you hate most will win because the vote is split.
  Obviously things still wouldn't be perfect with a proportional voting system but I think it would take some power away from capitalist oligarchs because we will be able to vote for a party we like without just making the fascists more likely to win. The issue is the only two parties you can realistically vote for are highly incentivised to not change the voting system because they will lose a lot of the power they have.
- Well, at least you've got a heads-up and some choice on how fast you get screwed.
  We just got a guy we didnt choose who just suddenly and royally f🇷🇺ks everyone over every few years or so
- The Dems can't do anything without a majority. Give them a true majority where Sinema and Man Chin can't hold things up. Then stand the fuck back.
Dont vote Neo-Liberal.
America is the world.
- Lots of places have conservatives for which one should not vote
Can say the same for progressives! They progressed us so far, we ended up going backwards!
- Ohh that would almost be clever if it weren't conservatives dragging the world through their unga bunga bullshit.
- Progressive to me means fair wages, medicare for all, tackling climate change, defending civil rights, protecting against authoritarianism, tackling the wage gap, making government work for all people, etc.
  Conservative means insurrection, praising authoritarianism, banning books, attacking public education, idolizing the ultra wealthy, culture wars, gerrymandering, preventing fair elections, etc.
  I know what I prefer.
- Can you? Examples, please.

so many people are getting to the point that they can identify that capitalism has caused human society to self-digest and go to shit, yet so many will give the most asinine dog-brained reasons as to why. It's reassuring to see people starting to wake up but frustrating to see them groggy, incoherent, and still half-asleep. 95 times out of a hundred they'll blame "corporatism" or welfare queens or race mixing or overpopulation or some shit and it's just exhausting

And when they say "corporatism", rather than the capitalist aspects of corporations draining the life from society, they'll instead be referring to whenever a company does something they consider "woke".
Not a fan of capitalism myself, but I'd take western (somewhat) liberal capitalism over the authoritarian alternatives (kleptocratic, imperialist oligarchy in Russia or fake-communist dictatorship in China) that are being pushed here on Lemmy.
- China is the only country that is on track to hit the goals stated in the Paris Agreement.
  China has invested trillions in combating climate change.
  75% of people alleviated from poverty are chinese citizens.
  China has a higher life expectancy than the US.
  China has a higher median wage than several european countries.
  The US has the largest prisoner population in the world.
  Slavery is legal in the US as a punishment for a crime.
  The leaders of the riots in Ferguson were all murdered. Several political leaders have disappeared or died mysteriously over the years in the US.
  The US "used to have" a project by the name of COINTELPRO which focused on suppressing political dissidents.
  Why exactly would you take the western system over China?
  What makes China authoritarian, yet the country with the largest prisoner population in the world and a proven record of suppressing and murdering political dissidents not authoritarian?
- I don't think anyone is pushing modern capitalist Russia, although kleprocratic, imperialist oligarchy describes the US and western liberal democracy at large as much as it does the Russian Federation.
  China though has a better democracy than the US. Calling it a dictatorship is pure western brainworms.
  Edit: Why do you think the US is not a kleptocratic, imperialist oligarchy? And why do you think liberal democracy is more democratic than full process democracy in China?
- The whole point of government is to be authoritarian. That authority is what separates tax collectors from muggers. That authority is what allows for public good such as welfare programs and public bad such as a militarized police force that brutally defends the capitalist class and their capital. Under "liberal" capitalism, that authority is concentrated in the hands of the dictators that own the means of production.
- fake-communist dictatorship in China
  Do you know anything about how their system actually works or are you just repeating something you've seen in reddit comments over and over again?
- We're fucking our planet and all its species regardless, and arguing about the amount of lube being used.
- my elites are better than your elites
  lol.
I have yet to find a good, reasonable solution. Capitalism is the least bad that I have seen.
- You haven't seen New Economic Policy. It's still capitalism, but don't eat people as much.

Everything under neoliberalism is assessed primarily in terms of money. It thrives on selfishness. Doing things to improve climate and reduce carbon emissions doesn't have immediate profits and is therefore ignored. The wealth inequality results in the more wealthy thinking they deserve the wealth and seeing the poor as inferior thus destroying social cohesion.

Liberalism does not seem to seek any kind of cohesion, rather it focuses on maximising each individual's desires regardless of the resulting sum of these individual fulfillments.

The purpose of your life is to be a productive asset for people who make their living owning productive assets. They are in charge of the government and the economy and will never vote themselves out. They will kill to maintain their status as owners of productive assets because they do not want to become owned by someone else. They do spend a lot of time making sure you're over stimulated because not only do you make the product for them you also buy the product from them. You're a little blood bag in multiple ways and they are leeches.

They need you to vote for them, to make their actions legitimate so the whole thing doesn't erupt in violence and get them killed. The most effective way to do that is to build a bunch of windmills at which you'll tilt. They can't make you hate other people for owning productive assets, so they have to come up with other reasons. And those reasons also have to work in their favor, as in make you hate their competition and enemies. You hate their enemies, who also own productive assets, but you hate them for largely abstract reasons detached from the actual reality of your exploitation. This dissonance creates malaise unless you feel like you're discovering a deeper truth by buying into more propaganda. You get on another dopamine treadmill which ultimately leaves you unsatisfied no matter how angry you get. Because it's never about recognizing your actual situation.

They need you to keep making product for them, because if you run out of product to make, they lose their livelihood. You also need to keep buying product. They sell you everything you need, making sure there's as many people between it and you as possible, each extracting some profit. This causes friction which causes malaise. Once everyone has everything they need, they don't sell as much product. This is bad so they invent need, they try to make you want stuff so you keep buying. This means they need more productive assets like yourself, this grows their empire. They come up with more abstractions for why you're unhappy and how buying product will satisfy you. But with the accumulation you are still left unfulfilled.

This isn't new and owning productive assets isn't as profitable as it used to be. You need more and more to make the same amount of money, to keep the same amount of power. So the expansion and accumulation of more involves people like yourself being made miserable. They need war to go into other places and take over those productive assets. They need you to be on board for war so they have to demonize the other productive assets like yourself. They need you to fight in the war so you lose your friends and family. But to make up for that they abstract that exploitation away with fictions as well.

A society that allows a few people to collectively own all or most productive assets (ie, labor) will always result in this malaise. It will never bring you contentment. And if, by some chance, you get to own productive assets are now happy because you're free from being owned, millions of others will take your vacancy from the working class. So you're happy but they are not and their discontent will ultimately bring conflict, which makes you unhappy again.

Human experience is not profitable, or I should say, it is. As you've noticed, the amount of human experience you can afford or make time for is almost none. Your entire human experience is consumption and production. Even when you have fun you must consume product. You must pay a series of people who own the productive assets that produce your enjoyment. Reality is not helpful to the owners of productive assets. It just gets in the way.

You can't imagine an alternative because the prospect of another promise of freedom from being owned is just too scary. You're better to go with the devil you know.

You're not unhappy because you're possessed with bad spirits. You're not unhappy because of some abstraction living across the ocean that exists to threaten your other coveted abstractions. You're unhappy for a precise and easily explainable material reason. That reason is that you are exploited and are actively prevented from stopping it. You are manipulated into believing that exploitation is actually freedom. So in chasing freedom you either further exploit yourself or exploit others, adding to the general friction of society and life, causing misery.

This is heaven
This is hell
This is living
This is tale to tell
This is drivewheel
This is cog
This is master
This is snarling dog
Would you want a change from the current modus oprandi? If so how would you suggest it one or many achieve it?
- Create a better world through revolutionary solcialism
- If I could change one big thing, I'd make it such that each worker is aware of how much they personally have put into the economy via their labor and wage. Someone who works for someone else never really knows the true value of their work, just the wage that's paid to them. If we all knew the true value of our labor we'd riot.
- I believe we must repalace leadership, i.e. politicians, CEOS managerial and administrative positions with A.I. or just automate the decicion making at those levels, since they are actively going against humanities interests and just pursue their own, like instead of figthing climate change by yeeting oil businesess into hell, they instead keep receiving blood money from oil companies so that they actively push back on reneubable energy sources, and use that money to build themselves another fucking swimmimg pool.
  The A.I. should be able to not be corruptible and shouls exploit resources in a renewable manner and distribute them in a just manner according to both phisical and human needs. Its the only way which we stoo exploiting each other, we must automate the means of productionand take it back from those lizard people (not actually reptilians but might as well be since their so detached from the human experience) Why A.I.?
  Because humans get horribly corrupted with power, and end up taking all from themselves, and if not they are either forced out by the system or forced to adapt to the system, and if we make a revolution and replace them its all just gonna happen again, we cannot rule ourselves without resorthing to violence, represion or enslavement.
This is why i believe we must repalace leadership, i.e. politicians, CEOS managerial and administrative positions with A.I. or just automate the decicion making at those levels, since they are actively going against humanities interests and just pursue their own, like instead of figthing climate change by yeeting oil businesess into hell, they instead keep receiving blood money from oil companies so that they actively push back on reneubable energy sources, and use that money to build themselves another fucking swimmimg pool.
The A.I. should be able to not be corruptible and shouls exploit resources in a renewable manner and distribute them in a just manner according to both phisical and human needs. Its the only way which we stoo exploiting each other, we must automate the means of productionand take it back from those lizard people (not actually reptilians but might as well be since their so detached from the human experience)
Why A.I.? Because humans get horribly corrupted with power, and end up taking all from themselves, and if not they are either forced out by the system or forced to adapt to the system, and if we make a revolution and replace them its all just gonna happen again, we cannot rule ourselves without resorthing to violence, represion or enslavement.

Eat the rich

Too fatty. Better to use them for biofuel.
- Converting them to fuel takes too long, just make a bonfire.
  Toss another rich on the barbie.
Hate your fellow man not the guys unconsentually gang banging your chocolate starfish

Where did we go wrong?

The bad guys won the Cold War.

There were no good guys in the cold war.
I wish I could just completely block anything from hexbear, no matter where I go you guys are pushing your toxic agenda.
- You hate seeing hexbear users, so you took the considered and well-thought tactic of directly replying to one to whine about them. That'll stop you from seeing more of them, for sure!
- Lmao life expectancy rising goes brr. Women gaining independence goes brr. Advancements in the sciences goes brr. Life quality improvements goes brr. Going from a rural peasant state ruled by a monarchy to a modern country within few decades, while the same process took centuries for the capitalist states goes brr.
- The people that ended malnutrition among their people and brought us into space are toxic?
- Look, i'll take whatever wouldn't have ended up in this
- Nyaaaahahahaha, we have an agenda folks! We've made it!
The bad guys replaced land with happiness in the declaration of Independence.
I suspect the failure of viable alternatives to capitalism in the 90s resulted in the runaway scenario we see today. That doesn't make the Soviet union good though.
- What would happen if capital succeeded in smashing the Republic of Soviets? There would set in an era of the blackest reaction in all the capitalist and colonial countries, the working class and the oppressed peoples would be seized by the throat, the positions of international communism would be lost.
  Damn, really feels like we’ve been seized by the throat
- That doesn't make the Soviet union good though.
  even if it was "bad" (it wasn't just to be clear) the mere threat of its existence allowed labour unions in the West to win more concession from their bosses.
  China does not have the same effect because China does not export the revolution.

Somewhere around 20 years ago/b/ was one of the first aggressively "us vs them" communities I was ever exposed to, and it only got worse from there.

You’re crazy, /b/ wasn’t around 20 years ago… I mean, it only recently started in the early ‘00s!
…oh no

Everything is about money, not about having an actual human experience.

Human experience is still there, everywhere. You have to make the effort to get out of your burrow and do things outside with physical people.

It's hard to make an effort when all your energy goes into survival. Wasn't the point of "civilization" to not have to worry about all of that?
- Yes it should, but modernity also made us less reliant on the group and I think it made use more introvert and more social risk averse. This is something that can be worked on with reasonable cost.
It's called alienation under capital
Like we can afford burrows.
- Your local gardening association should have shovels.
Human experience has been almost entirely privatized. If you're poor, you're denied most of it.
- Are non-profit associations rare in your place? They are very present around me, all my hobbies are covered.
Where do I go? I have no idea what to do
- Try to find an association near your place, sports, arts, gardening, nature exploration, table top games, whatever you like.
- As a default, a spouse and kids will rope you into decades of regular social interaction.
I think this varies from place to place. In some places, I've definitely felt like going out and interacting with physical people was too dangerous, since the culture was along the lines of "everyone for themselves" and "don't trust anyone". That being said, I've also lived in places where the people around me were extremely friendly, so for many people that opportunity still does exist.
For the people who feel like going out and interacting with strangers is dangerous, I think it might help to go to specific places where the kinds of people you want to meet would also go to (and the kinds of people you want to avoid wouldn't go to), although that can be hard to find.

Where did we go wrong? We stopped killing fascists. Appeasement never works when one party has no interest in concession.

BINGO.
The reconstruction of the south shouldn't have ended until 1960, giving near a hundred years to set things right. Instead chickenshit halfhearts let the south return to political power and return to treating POC like slaves. Then they let their grandchildren build fucking monuments and statues to slavemongers.
- I wonder if US insistance on the Nuremberg Trials was a result of seeing the results of failing to hold their own fascists adequately accountable after the civil war.
Oh my god. Do you people ever stop.
If only you could make a list of all the fascists and go door to door and drag them out into the street and execute them.
Then everything would be OK!

theory without praxis just gets you the disco elysium quote
0.000% of Communism has been built. Evil child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a shit-eating grin. All he has managed to do is make himself sad. He is starting to suspect ~~Kras Mazov~~ Karl Marx fucked him over personally with his socio-economic theory.
Not entirely true. See a CEO and his family, no one saw anything.
Protest in the homes of boardmembers.
- that's pretty adventurist, that's how you end up like Alexander Ulyanov, you should aim to end up like his brother

Welcome to being poor .... I mean poor poor ... not the kind of poor where you can't afford a Lamborghini ... the kind of poor where you no longer have any luxuries like being able to go to the movies.

Where life is a constant hassle and struggle to survive. And where you constantly have to fight to stay above water. A kind of life where someone is constantly either trying to screw you, is screwing you or has screwed you. A kind of life where you no longer trust the people you see, the people you meet, or the people you live with. A kind of life where you know from the time you are born that everything and everyone will be hard.

I grew up like that and it became a normal part of life.

I learned to make a bit of money and survive and I've done good but not great ... good enough to travel the world. It gave me the insight that the majority of the world is poor ... I thought that before but after traveling, I realized just how true that really is.

The world we're complaining about now is the world that most of the world already knows.

Welcome to being poor and hopeless.

I think this is less about being poor or struggling to survive, more about the struggle to find meaning in modern life.
I'm doing well in life. Could certainly be doing better (who couldn't), but my bills are paid, and there's food on my table. I don't worry about these things, and I don't struggle. But there have certainly been times when I've felt the sentiment of the OP. When your needs are met and you feel a sort of emptiness, trying to fill the boredom with the next best dopamine hit. I almost feel like I'm just floating through life, not yearning for, yet waiting for the day it all ends.
- 10.2% of US households aren't food secure in the richest country on the planet with limitless food accessibility. I'm pretty sure it is about being poor and struggling to survive.
I once described this to someone as:
You know you're poor when you realize how bad powdered milk is compared to real milk. You know you're really, really hungry when powdered milk tastes good.

Every interaction is now "us vs them."

Two posts later:

it's DA JOOOZ!

Da jooz are old nooz comrade, the real menace now is DA SHINEYS!
I mean, it's either that or IT'S DA NOOZ! Take your pick, I guess?

And then there's the idiots who try to use this reasoning to glorify a nonexistent nostalgia based version of "the good old times" when really capitalism is the problem

Of course, the big question with the line "I'm tired of being told to hate my fellow man" is whether they're referring to the constant fearmongering being pushed by conservative news and politicians against everyone who isn't in their in-group.

Or are they referring to non-conservatives calling out the bigotry being pushed by conservatives and doing that calling out is "pushing hatred on your fellow man" in this person's eyes?

Since a lot of 4chan is the latter while actively being a part of the former.

I hate you, my fellow man.
Whatever the content of your post I'd recommend taking a break from politics for a while. Take care of yourself fellow man.
Oh my God shut up
- No.
- I think it's pretty clear which of the two examples you fit.
- Oh new account made 5 minutes ago, please do tell what the "fearmongering" is on the left. Climate change? Needing to actually do the minimal effort to prevent Covid spread?

I've found that disconnecting helps. Leave your phone at home and go out. Chat with the guy you see every day at the grocery store. Go play chess or pétanque in the park with a friend. You don't have to do this too often, and you'll feel less like a product yourself.

- Especially the elderly in my experience. The generation that used to tell us not to believe everything we see on the internet is now glued to Facebook.

Is this supposed to be a "the world has turned into shit" take, even though it's been like this for ages (way before the 4chan poster, or anyone alive for that matter, was born)?

Yeah, this is a common fascist recruitment tactic. "The world has gone to shit, things were better before."
This is the call to return to the golden past, a perfect time before "they" took it away from "us." In reality, as you point out, that golden past never existed. However, once people have it framed in their minds that their chance at utopia was "taken" from them, there's almost nothing they don't feel justified in doing to take it back.
Modern life as we know it is relatively recent. Maybe 150 years MAX. Sure things have always had a tinge of bad, but take things in context.
We're in an age where our grandparents or great grandparents, people we had exposure to and spoke to, experienced the start of monumental technological advancement in a relatively short period of time. Cars, planes, phones, movies, photos. Consider how much of your life is centered around these advancements.
We live in an extremely different and short lived period of humanity, where people we end up putting in charge of important societal tasks speak as if things like the economy are laws of nature, despite existing in its current form for maybe 2-3 generations at most.
This poster is experiencing the culmination of these advancements. The alienation, the over stimulation, the speed at which life takes place. It's starting to show itself as a bit of a dead end as the ice caps melt away.
- We're in an age where our grandparents or great grandparents, people we had exposure to and spoke to, experienced the start of monumental technological advancement in a relatively short period of time. Cars, planes, phones, movies, photos. Consider how much of your life is centered around these advancements.
  hell, when i was a kid a mobile phone was the size of a housebrick, could only make calls, and only if you happened to be in one of the few places that had decent service
  now it's a tiny computer that fits in your pocket with more processing power than the best consumer PCs from 15 years ago

It was leaving the trees that did it, really.

Nah we should have stayed in the water.
- Personally, I blame the amoeba that decided he wanted to have more cells than everyone else. All of human greed stemps from that selfish bugger.

I’ve gone through a lot of crap to learn and really believe that happiness and contentment can only come from within. The outside world has a lot to offer, but it will never give you that.

Unfortunately the outside world and circumstances CAN make it pretty damn difficult or impossible.

It’s a cliche to think of a monk or philosopher saying stuff like “if you want to be happy, be happy,” but that’s a lot of how I I’ve come to see it. And obviously it’s not that simple, we are pretty damn complicated, but that’s the spirit behind it.

I get what you're saying. There are ways to think that can help people feel happier or better on a personal, individual level. Thats more or less what some forms of therapy can do for people, and its a very good thing, again on an individual level.
But the context in that piece, and where i would put the emphasis, is that its an example of capitalist alienation and atomization. There's no individual answer to that. It's something that is pushed onto all of us through our relationship to capital, and to truely end that malaise, we need to work toward ending capitalism itself.
There is a correct amount of resources. Too much and you lose touch with reality. To little and the weight of reality is too much to bear. Happiness comes from within but unhappiness can very much come from outside forces.
Ignorance is bliss. It's also the problem.

It's been far too long since the sociopaths were put in their place. Now they have all the money in the world and can hire sycophants to be their personal armies.

My family wasn't rich and I didn't have many luxuries, but I still claim to have been much happier than many children who live in this hectic world where everything is so superficial. 90% of ordinary people don't even dare to have an opinion anymore if it's not exactly what the mainstream represents.

We consume pseudo-food, watch pseudo movies and participate in pseudo sports, heck even pseudo politics. Why pseudo? Because everything is made as cheap as possible and to distract us from the suffering that capitalism brings us so that we won't rise up.

Examples:

Our vegetables are genetically modified so that they grow bigger but they can't reproduce anymore and the seeds are copyrighted.
The movies that are watching are catered to the mainstream and don't even really get a message across. Marvel movies try to tell us that rich people with power will save the world
Football games are there to distract people "give them bread and games and they will never revolt"
The people at power, through massive propaganda, seperate our people into left and right. These two parties will then fight eachother instead of realizing who is really opressing us

Turn off the news, and stay away from anything online that lets you or other people comment.

Lose Twitter, Facebook, reddit (or reddit alternatives) and the world will look like a much different place.

Sticking your head in the sand will do that. Nothing will actually change but it’ll feel like it’s not there.
- More like "don't stick your head in a pile oft shit", ignoring these platforms is not ignoring the world, it's changing your point oft view, you won't miss anything of importance.
- I think it's more just reducing the overload, not really hiding. An information vacation.
- Is not being on most social media sticking your head in the sand now? I still read the news and try to stay informed. It's just not in my face as much anymore. I would consider that a win.
- This is like you breaking up with a toxic girlfriend and she tells you “oh yeah well other people are still gonna date me idiot!”
- Arguably that's one of (though not all of) the reason for so many people not voting. They think if they disengage, then that'll fix the problem. When in reality they're just allowing the problem to get worse and pretending there isn't a problem.
Can confirm this. I've been trying to set my life up to be as internetless as possible.
I did the same thing. I still am on social media such as lemmy and discord but its mostly to talk to people. And I havent watched the news since I was a child. Important things come your way eventually and I dont see it as being ignorant. Now I only receive information I can actually do something about if I want to.

Comments like this always make me think of this film. One of my favorites.

https://youtu.be/cCeeTfsm8bk?si=Dn8CwEEMV9Lpt27u

Thank you for sharing that interesting watch, cool music
- Elegia by New Order.
  Glad you enjoyed it.

I am with Anon. It’s all kinda surreal now. But I’m gonna live it up the way I know how.

Sometimes it’s fun to try doing things differently, but I sort of agree with you. As time goes on it’s harder and harder to break ourselves of our habits

Hmm.

I think capitalism isn't the problem nor is liking and consuming a product or experience. We have great products turned into entire experiences here in the US, and I'm not terribly upset anymore about it.

The problem is the late stage unchecked capitalism running rampant. I think allowing individuals the freedom to pursue their ideas and allow others to even build livelihoods from it works great. But there's gotta be checks and balances, its what the USA was founded on.

What you are referring to is called socialism. And yes, it's a good thing.
- Yeah buddy.
- Capitalism with checks and balances is not socialism.

The world i live in is considerably better for me than the world I was raised in. Everything's a shitshow but at least I got to transition.

He’s not wrong

Situationism

'The Situation' founded a political ideology?

This is when you get off social media and live life with your family. It's so easy to fall into that mindset when you're going to areas where people crowd together since it ends up with large scope views and ideas.

This isn't greentext

Give into the hate, anon. Join the sixth.

About 300,000 years ago, when the first humans were born.

The problems being described in this post are the result of the greed of the wealthy, and that has been menacing humanity for as long as there's been humanity.

Not at all. For the vast majority of our time as a species we lived in small hunting and gathering bands wherein the accumulation of personal wealth and property wasn't really possible and one's status instead depended on merit. It's only with the dawn of agriculture, about 10k years ago, that the accumulation of personal wealth and private property becomes a thing. For better or worse, for reasons I don't have the time to go into here, agriculture is a kind of ratcheting trap, and once we embraced it we could never go back and never will.
The thing now is to recreate the small-scale egalitarianism that we evolved to live in, but how we do that in the material world we've created is far beyond me.
- Did the strongest tribesman not beat the shit out of all the other tribesmen, take their stuff, and bang their women?

Then WHY DID YOU ASK FOR THAT VERY WORLD YOU FUCKING NORMIE!?!?!?

He was probably born into it
- We are
  Born like this
  Into this
  Into these carefully mad wars
  Into the sight of broken factory windows of emptiness
  Into bars where people no longer speak to each other
  Into fist fights that end as shootings and knifings
  Born into this
  Into hospitals which are so expensive that it’s cheaper to die
  Into lawyers who charge so much it’s cheaper to plead guilty
  Into a country where the jails are full and the madhouses closed
  Into a place where the masses elevate fools into rich heroes
  -Charles Bukowski

bet a month's rent anon doesn't exercise and their sleep is fucked. I was this doomy too, before I fixed my shit.

I work out, read, touch grass and sleep consistently. Anon still has a great point.
Making yourself feel good enough to ignore the shithole our society has become doesn't fix anything. Denying reality is foolish as fuck and actively makes it worse.
- Being a doomer doesn't fix anything. Telling people it's all hopeless is foolish and actively makes it worse.
- No, it’s really just “be the change you want to see.”
  Wish “the world” worked? Start with your own life.
- No one is denying anything. It's just a question of whether you get up to fight or give up and die. That's the part that's in your power, and taking care of your body is the first step toward getting up to fight.
Nah it's just capitalist realism hitting a mfer hard
I'm a string bean on Lemmy at 4am and I have a better outlook than anon
Talking a big game but you're only really healthy if you can accept the good and the bad for what it is.

This guy needs to go to a music festival and do Molly with his best friends

We live in a simulation

Escapism in the 21st century.
Nothing is real
bury head in sand
Sleep
- Until you realize simulated pain still hurts.

*World we evolved to survive in...

Hit the gym and touch grass every so often. It's that simple to feel better. The hardest part is finding consistency. But being chronically online and doom scrolling is what makes the world feel so bleak.

Edit: gonna copy and paste my other comment

I mean, I'm simplifying it for me, but I realized at one point I'm just tired of being tired. Doesn't have to be physical activity, but it's really just finding your niche and not getting into your head too much. Easier said than done, but I really just woke up one day and decided that change is only going to come if I force myself to get up and do something. Otherwise I just get depressed and all "woe is me, woe is the world". If life sucks anyways, I'm going to find ways to enjoy it my own way.

I hate to break it to people but when it came full circle to me, it became as easy as "I'm a depressed right now, well I don't want to be so I'm going to put a little effort into something. That way, I can at least be proud of myself if not the world".

I can keep complaining about the world, or I can toughen myself up for myself and be proud of the person I am. I wouldn't call it ignorance to the rest of the world, I just don't give a fuck anymore. It never gave a fuck about me in the first place. I'm doing it all for myself.

This carries "Just don't be sad bro" energy
While yes, being physically fit is a good thing generally. Going outside especially within the US just makes me feel worse. Everyone is just as miserable as me, it's too hot, it smells like smoke and gas, I can't hear shit because the 4 lane road's noise is deafening, and those who aren't miserable are blissfully ignorant towards the horrible shit people go through in a country that doesn't give a shit about them.
I've managed to disconnect more, work on my hobbies, and find the will to live. My diet in improving and my fitness is also improving, but I just fucking hate the place I live and do not have the means to pick up and leave. The MOMENT I look into it I'm berated with product after product, and expense after expense. We as a society have cultivated an unsustainable model of operation and it's finally falling apart. Like the oil fields, we too are being sucked dry.
I wish I could be ignorant. But I just can't bring myself to that point.
- I mean, I'm simplifying it for me, but I realized at one point I'm just tired of being tired. Doesn't have to be physical activity, but it's really just finding your niche and not getting into your head too much. Easier said than done, but I really just woke up one day and decided that change is only going to come if I force myself to get up and do something. Otherwise I just get depressed and all "woe is me, woe is the world". If life sucks anyways, I'm going to find ways to enjoy it my own way.
  I hate to break it to people but when it came full circle to me, it became as easy as "I'm a depressed right now, well I don't want to be so I'm going to put a little effort into something. That way, I can at least be proud of myself if not the world".
  I can keep complaining about the world, or I can toughen myself up for myself and be proud of the person I am. I wouldn't call it ignorance to the rest of the world, I just don't give a fuck anymore. It never gave a fuck about me in the first place. I'm doing it all for myself.
Ironically it's not even that anymore. Since these are recommended as the answer so much they are the same as any zeitgeist-chase. Act on your own selfishness for your own enjoyment. Go swim, chill out with that show you think you'll enjoy that everyone hates, try cook something new.
People can get stuck in the rut of information overload with the internet but its still an incredibly useful tool to use. Some people just need to learn to use it rather them let it use you.

Votes for trump

its not about poltics even anon voted for biden he still be in same situation .
- It is about politics when these people can't see the hole they dig for themselves when an obvious authoritarian like Trump has populist support.

It seems to me that Anon is a whiny little bitch.

stfu chud

How bout we tear it all the fuck down!? I've got the nukes.

Find some help man