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Living conditions in Ukraine are resembling a new slavery, a triumph of Western 'democracy' in the 21st century

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  • All the liberal scumbags downvoting. Imagine being the kind of piece of shit that cheers on a war and then doesn't even want to look at what the result of that war is on the people of the country. All of you are the definition of human garbage.

    • We're the ones cheering on the war?! Are you shitting me? We aren't the ones bending over backwards to justify this invasion. We aren't the ones justifying Russia indiscriminately bombing Ukraine's cities. We aren't the ones justifying letting loose an army of convicts and rapists on Ukraine's population. Fuck you. Seriously, fuck you.

      • Yeah, every single scumbag who supports continuation of this war can go fuck themselves. Better yet, go sign your worthless ass up for the foreign legion and fight yourself instead of forcing other people to die for your ideology.

  • I know multiple Ukrainian men who are trying to leave or have already left. No sane person wants to stay in that shell of a country, and lose a leg to a Russian mine.

    Western liberals, please ship yourself over there and die already. We don't need your Nazi apologies.

  • It's a fair question to ask. Any time civil liberties are curtailed, there should be questioning. There should be coverage.

    But in a case of a smaller country being invaded by a world power, their options might just be use every tool available or accept losing their sovereignty because a more powerful nation wants their land. And we also need to acknowledge that and say it out loud. If you don't think the war and loss of civil rights is worth protecting their sovereignty and the right to be a country, admit that up front. That it sucks, but that you think the benefits outweigh the costs.

    My one question would be, was there a vote to fight a defensive war when Ukraine was invaded? Is that something invaded countries even do? I'm honestly asking the question. Because if there was a fair and free vote, and the majority voted to defend their land, then it seems like they're fine with it.

    • AFAIK there was no such vote, but even if there was it would not have counted the separatist regions of Donbas. That's the main issue with this war, it was already ongoing in some form long before Russia invaded last year, going on since around 2014. Since the invasion, the government has also declared there will be no elections and started banning or even arresting the opposition (like the communist party).

      The situation of democracy in Ukraine right now is incredibly shaky at best, which is why a lot of people (like me) criticise the government a lot. I understand that it'd be hard to have a referendum on the initial marshal law, but banning all adult men from even emigrating, and sometimes sending those who try to escape anyway back to the front, is to me a serious abuse by the government. IIRC During the start of the war, they also relied a lot on volunteers for the military, but now they've turned a lot to drafting civilians, which doesn't bode well for how many people actually want to fight. But it's really hard to get proper statistical data from Ukraine due to the aforementioned marshal law.

      Being in the military reserve myself against my will, I deeply believe that nobody should be forced into military service. Not only does it sound really inefficient to have uninterested personnel, but it also is a gigantic breach on a person's rights and can mentally and physically scar them for life, not to mention the risk of death.

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