Are Arabs in Michigan Really Prepared to Hand the Presidency Back to Donald Trump? In a Word: Yes.
Michigan has the power to unravel a second Biden presidency. It just might.
I still continue to fail to understand the logic these people are trying to use.
I completely understand the dissatisfaction with the Biden administration and his support for an ally who is currently committing genocide on the daily. And if there were a candidate who wasn't a completely batshit wannabe dictator, I'd at least understand why they'd vote for anyone else over Biden, if not agree with it.
But this is not the case. What these people fail to understand because they're literally blinded with rage is that the only other option is exponentially worse. Trump isn't going to stop Israel from bombing Gaza into oblivion. He's said as much. He basically wants to glass the entire area. Do these people not realize that what Trump wants to do is exponentially worse?
Voting for Trump because you don't like Biden's policies on Israel and Gaza isn't shooting yourself in the foot. It's shooting yourself in the foot, then reloading the shotgun when you realize you missed a few toes, then wondering why the hell your foot hurts and you're bleeding all over the place.
I understand the rationale of "I cannot in good conscience vote for a man who has supported and partially funded a brutal genocide." But at the same time, you're advocating for a man who's literally campaigning on "I'll genocide harder!". Why?
If you think Trump is, in any situation, a viable option for anything, please seek professional help immediately. There is never a situation where Donald Trump's decisions or actions are ever going to make your life better. Full stop.
There are a few factors:
Not everyone in the Arab world looks favorably upon Palestine. They don’t care that Trump plans to escalate the genocide.
So if they either don't care about Palestine or want to escalate the genocide, then why the hell do they care about Biden's handling of the situation in the first place?
At best, they should be indifferent, no?
A lot of them are socially/fiscally conservative. Just because the Republicans lean overwhelmingly Christian doesn’t mean that their values differ entirely from Islam. Anyone who hates abortion, gay/trans people, and wants to keep drugs criminalized will be more inclined to vote Republican despite the widespread islamophobia.
This is a classic example of voting against their own interests.
The anti-Biden campaign, which is taking advantage of the Israel-Palestine conflict, has been successful at convincing voters, even if they are unwittingly voting against their own self-interest. The Republicans are good at that, such as how effectively they sway members of the working class towards supporting rich oligarchs and racial minorities to vote for racist candidates.
This is very true. If you can say one thing about the GOP, they're specialists at getting the message out and convincing people to vote against their own interests.
You're failing to understand because people are near-braindead levels of stupid. Democracy only works when the populous is generally well educated. We've been shooting ourselves in the foot in regards to education for a long time in this country that most people come out with the intelligence of a 5th grader, then say stupid things like "Trump is better than Biden".
You're playing politics. They're responding to something they view as betrayal.
And what do they think is going to happen with Trump? A man who has already gone on record saying he'd do that and more?
Like I've repeatedly said, I understand and even support their point of view regarding Biden. But their only alternative is exponentially worse, and voting for Trump because you're pissed off at Biden is a textbook example of cutting off your own nose to spite your face.
The logic is simple. State matter of factly Bined must abandon Israel or lose to trump. Once declared, it's Bidens fault if Trump is elected.
Attempting to "hold Biden accountable" by supporting, advocating for, and voting for someone who has already gone on record as saying he wants to do even worse is probably not going to work out the way you think it will.
I understand the position that people are in. It's pretty much Sophie's Choice. Vote for Biden, who's supporting an ally that is currently committing genocide, or vote for Trump, who says he'll genocide harder. Or stay home and vote for nobody, and end up with Trump anyway. There's no good options here. I get that.
Nobody wants to vote for a man who says "Vote for me and I'll kill your wife". But at the same time, the counter to that isn't to advocate for the opponent who's saying "Vote for me and I'll kill your wife, your kids, and I'll piss on your dog while I'm doing it." I'm not saying I know what the best option is, but I know that Trump of all people certainly isn't it and will just make the problem much worse.
He doesn't actually have that power directly, no.
Congress holds the power of the purse. If congress appropriates the money, the president is legally obligated to spend that money for the reason that it was appropriated. (It's called impoundment of appropriated funds).) This is why Trump was impeached the first time; he tried to withhold funding from Ukraine--before Russia invaded--that had already been appropriated by congress unless he got personal quid pro quo from Zelensky. Trump did not have the legal authority to withhold that funding, and hence was impeached for corruption.
Similarly, Biden can't withhold money appropriated for Israel. He can, at best, veto the appropriations bill, which would send it back to Congress to be overridden. (Given that it passed 79-21 in the Senate--I can find the House vote tallies at the moment--it is highly likely that his veto would be overridden.) Should he do it anyways? Sure. But it would be purely symbolic.
The only options Biden has are diplomatic, which he is exercising. He could arguably use the military to invade, but congress would pull him up short on that very fast. Could he do more diplomatically? Yes, definitely. Can he unilaterally stop Israel? Categorically no.
Republicans are masterminds at not just getting people to vote against their own interest
Only because corporate news refuses to check them. Because corporate news sewers are run by republiQans.
Democrat elections are basically a hostage situation (it votes for biden when it's told or else it gets the trump again). If biden refuses to budge on the critical issues, at some point you have to start executing hostages.
“If it came down to Trump and Joe Biden, I will vote for Trump. Because it doesn’t get worse than Joe Biden,”
Well, if Trump does get reelected, I hope for this guy's sake that he's right. I have my doubts, though.
That is the statement of either a complete fucking idiot or a troll.
Any measurement of the two shows who’s better, and it’s not like breaking news or anything. Was this shithead alive in 2017-2021??
Right. This guy that called for a Muslim ban will be so much more sympathetic to the genocide in Gaza...
Well...Trump will indeed end the war quickly. Likely by turning Gaza into scorched earth.
And Trump with his SCotUS cronies have plans to end / strip birthright citizenship & deport 11M "undesirables".
Want to guess who will be at the very head of that line? You don't think Stephen Miller is getting lists of arrestees from the colleges right fucking now?
And I very seriously doubt I'll have the capacity to feel bad for the dangerously stupid by that point.
No you’re wrong, a few thousand edgy lunatics totally decided the 2016 general election, the one where Trump literally lost the popular vote while corporate Dems ignored historic battlegrounds and popular policies, instead assuming it was their turn to win.
Liberals seriously can’t see how much they are embarrassing themselves and revealing their true nature.
Always talking about nice sound bites, kindness, and world peace while stabbing you in the back as soon as it’s time to make laws and just sitting back while police kill you.
Completely chilling while Zionists kick you out of university for peaceful protest, making kids homeless thousands of miles from home with no money and ruining their education. Think of the economy!
The same people that feel so bad for the homeless but have no problem with NIMBYism and never actually help or vote for helpers.
The slow realization that liberals will welcome fascism if it means they can step over your dead body to get Starbucks tomorrow is absolutely fucking chilling.
Always talking about nice sound bites, kindness, and world peace while stabbing you in the back as soon as it’s time to make laws and just sitting back while police kill you.
The kicker on their hippy-punching cheerleading is that there's perfect examples of kumbaya liberalism in the universities that negotiated. They didn't even necessarily commit to divestment, just all came together and talked with empathy to resolve an issue with people that even in the liberal manufactured consent framing are at worst being misled. But liberalism isn't actually their driving ethos, it's maintaining power for themselves and for existing structures, and for that, hippy punching is exactly the result they want. The protesters' greatest sin isn't some trumped up charge of antisemitism, it's challenging their superiors.
I mean my coworkers families are in danger today, why would you expect them to give a shit about an election six months away when they might get the call to find out they don't have relatives tomorrow.
Because they’ll still exist tomorrow, and the not-having-relatives-danger only increases by supporting the republiQan?
Is this really that difficult to understand? Using this watershed election as an entry-point to understanding how national politics and foreign relations work (or don’t work) is not only irresponsible, it’s tragic timing. Perfect timing for russia tho. Coincidentally.
Please explain how electing a Republican in 6 months could possibly lower their families chances tomorrow. People not pressuring Biden are telling them don't worry six months from now you can keep things exactly as bad for your family as they are now, but if you don't we promise it will get even worse.
0 opportunity to improve things and a fat chance to make them worse, gee I wonder why they're not sold. Dead is dead, and we are asking them to give us six months of waiting on the off chance that things would be worse the other way.
Should have very strictly regulated the forever chemicals and micro plastics multiple decades ago. People are so inexplicably stupid and deranged that it has to be the chemicals.
Man, dumb shit like this makes me want to let the leopards they want to vote for eat their faces.
I'm white, male, solidly middle-aged. I can look like a neo-con magat if I need to. Shit, as long as the only thing I'm talking about is guns, most people will probably think I am a neo-con. Most people aren't going to recognize my tattoos, so they'll be able to believe that I'm some kind of christian fucko, esp. since I know the bible far better than most evangelicals.
I survived Trump's first term without too many direct negative effects. I'm old enough that I'm not the one that's going to be well and truly fucked when climate change slams into the US like a derailed freight train. I haven't had to worry about accidentally getting someone pregnant in 30 years, so rights to choose and access to birth control have zero direct affect on me. I can let dumb fucks burn their own house down around them, and it's not going to directly harm me.
...But goddamn, I still want to save those idiots from themselves, because I don't want to live in the country that Trump and Republicans want this to be.
Burn it down Pookie, burn the motherfucker down.
Are Establishment Democrats Really Prepared to Hand the Presidency Back to Donald Trump Rather Than Listen to Their Constituents? In a Word: Yes.
Garbage "walk away" bullshit 2.0 remains bullshit. F'off.
Don't fall for the liars blaming arab-americans disgusted at our government's active role in the ongoing palestinian genocide.
Blame democrats who are providing military and political support to an ongoing genocide and expecting that somehow won't hurt them in the election.
I get the feeling, but Project 2025 doesn't cut out any caveats for average Americans who voted for Trump. You will be white and christian or you will face the wall. I just want you to remember that at least you didn't vote democrat when we're being shelled by Amazon for revolting inside Amazon City C417-982.
I just want you to remember that at least you didn’t vote democrat when we’re being shelled by Amazon for revolting inside Amazon City C417-982.
Firstly, I plan on voting for a democrat. Secondly, I live in oregon so it doesn't matter. Thirdly, if you're relying on democrats to save you from excesses of corporate power I don't think you understand the democrats very well.
I'm just saying what my comment said: there's no justification in blaming arab-americans for the obviously flawed decision making of the democratic party.
Who are 'the Arabs'? Would that be the same ones that billions of dollars of investment in buying Trump? Does it really seem odd that they'd want their asset back in the White House?
This isn't a failing of Biden. This is unchecked corruption.
The “Arabs” are American voters. Dearborn, MI is the largest population of Muslim people outside of a Muslim-majority nation.
(It’s in the article you didn’t read)
Ah, so it's just a troll headline because what they meant to say is that there are Americans in Michigan who will vote for Trump. No shit?
And the answer is yes,” Amer Zahr, a Palestinian American comedian and Dearborn local, told me
Now, here we go... they're actually talking about Palestinians specifically.
What a political sham of an article...
Good grief, this is such a stupid take. If donnie gets his way, he'll be deporting them, most likely.
Sure, that'll teach him
Teaching a lesson is probably the most mindlessly stupid impulse of the age.
What did you expect? They don't really give a shit about the fate of the US or women's rights or the rights of LGBT folks, a rule by dictatorial decree isn't different from what they're used to back home lol just kidding haha imagine if I wrote some racist shit like this as a neolib lol get fucked Biden you genocide supporting cunt, just revoke Israel's imperialism pass its that easy.
“Biden was supposed to be the peacemaker. The comfort-maker. Instead, he became accessory to the biggest genocide in modern history.”
lol