Are we Wayland yet or Whats missing?
Are we Wayland yet or Whats missing?
Curious from people who follow its development closely.
- What protocol are about to be finally implemented?
- Which ones are still a struggle?
- How many serious protocols are there missing?
Been working great for me for ~1 year on my desktop and closer to 2-3 on my laptop.
The only thing missing for me was Barrier for input sharing, which libei is supposed to fix. I ended up going for a hardware solution as Barrier is jank af anyway.
Only thing not working for me is HDR (should be fixed in Plasma 6.1), not like you could do HDR on Xorg anyway. Also no HDMI 2.1 but that's because fuck the HDMI Forum.
Performance-wise, just blows away Xorg in every metric, and explicit sync should make that even better.
The site is sort of outdated, but one important missing aspect there is accesibility. Here are some notes that gather links and following on the discussions on the matter in case you're interested.
For me, the plasma 6 implementation misses nothing. Multiple monitors work with no issues, and every program I could run works with no issues.
My main problem is that none of the tiling wayland compositors ( hyprland for example ) work well with multiple monitors. My usecase is to keepcmy laptop's monitor in clamshell mode and just use the external one, but I tend to if I leave for a long time to turn off the monitor since plasma can't turn it off the output for powersaving by itself for weird reasons and plasma 6 kwin will corectly start up on the monitor if I turn it on.
Compositors like hyprland for soke reason won't and will ontly show blank screen and not even allow me to change to another tty, effectively freezing my system.
But I got used to the way plasma works, made it work similary to a tiling wm for the virtual desktops and placing speficifc windows in specific virtual desktop and stuff like that, so I get the benefits of a good stacking (floating) wayland compositor with robust virtual desktops support.
I'm still struggling with remote desktop software and other alternatives such as sunshine. KDE connect input sharing is inconsistent on wayland, but they will probably fix that eventually. xwaylandvideobridge is great when it works, but currently has an issue with eating input invisibly. Also, some things just seem to be kinda wonky. For example screen sharing portal when sharing my screen in a browser seems to open twice. Same with obs. Still no good virtual keyboard. If onboard worked on wayland that would be perfect.
please don't post that site. I just need a few more things to work well with Wayland like Nvidia Drivers.
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I've been using it for my daily driver for work and casual gaming with no issues for 4 months now (Garuda Linux)
Already daily driving it on my laptop, which uses AMD graphics, and my work laptop, which uses Intel graphics. For Nvidia, there's missing explicit sync (which should be fixed soon), and Steam completely freaking out (might get fixed by explicit sync). Kwin also seems a bit unstable on Nvidia, but I haven't tested it for extended periods of time.
I also have a computer with display on an Nvidia card via reverse prime, which suffers performance issues on Wayland. Might be improved on Plasma 6, but that computer runs OpenSUSE Leap, so it won't get that for some time.
There is also the issue of picture-in-picture, but that can be worked around with Kwin rules.
I'm happy with Wayland
A program that I use often uses an embedded MPV window for video playing, and Wayland doesn't support that, and apparently won't: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/issues/74
So until something changes with that program, MPV, or Wayland, or I decide to rewrite the program myself, I'm stuck with X11.
I'd switched from i3 to sway, but the click offset in Krita made me switch back.
Yes
Even on Nvidia. I'm on NixOS w/ Hyprland on a RTX 3080 in reverse sync on a multimonitor setup, and have no issues.
Everything just works most of the time. When it doesn't, updating the driver usually fixes the issue.
Just waiting on kde 6.1 for remote input so input leap can work
I use an accessibility tool called Talon Voice. It is x.org only. Will the shift to Wayland kill these tools, or is it a case of the developer needing to rewrite for wayland?
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A little out of date. But still the best source I know of 👍
I don't follow this stuff at all, so I have no idea what the advantages are of Wayland that I'd actually see and benefit from in my daily use. That being said, I saw everyone saying it's better, so I tried switching to it. After rebooting, my PC just showed a black screen. I needed to use a TTY to revert back to xorg. So no, as of right now I'm not using Wayland.
I'd love to find an alternative to xdotool's auto type feature (or ClickPaste from Windows).
There is
wtypebut unfortunately it doesn't work in KDE nor GNOME because neither of them support the right protocol. I've run into the "<DE> hasn't implemented $PROTOCOL" a few times in the past and it's certainly a bit annoying.Aside from when that comes up, I don't really have any complaints. A tool we used for work was never going to be fully functional on Wayland because of its dependence on Xinerama (I think) but thankfully we've moved away from it.
That site's great.
The main thing I wish for is for ffmpeg to start supporting the wlroots screengrabbing api.
I am using Wayland and the only issue that is a bit annoying is that I can't use fractional scaling because it breaks FreeRDP clients. Both Remmina and FreeRDP have issues when scaling is active. For now I just increased the font size in KDE its not perfect but good enough until this is hopefully fixed.
I use Hyprland daily and it works great. The only issue I have is that PhpStorm has some minor issues. Being a Java app, it runs via XWayland. It mostly works, but sometimes menus and popups get confused and won't stay open.
I've been using wayland on my laptop somce the new year and beyond some driver issues that were purely on AMD's side (and not entirely Wayland exclusive either) I've had no problems.
Stuff like application scaling works so much nicer on Wayland, and X11 just wasn't very stable when handling fullscreen games to the point where I'd set games to borderless or even windowed mode to stop it crapping out on alt-tab
Most comments have been positive, so I'm gonna list all my issues. Using endeavours with KDE 6.2 and the AUR explicit sync patch, 5800 ryzen CPU and 3080 NVIDIA GPU.
The discord xwayland app can't share screen, and the waycord app that fake chromiums the web interface that let's you share screen has the sound bug out sometimes with large sound spikes. So if I want to share the screen I have to open the second app and then close it fast to minimize the chances I annoy my friends.
Window positioning. It almost seems a flagship Wayland issue. I would love if apps remembered on which screen and position I left them the next time I open them, telegram opens in the middle of the primary monitor, and I have to drag it to the right of the secondary one every time I switch on the PC.
Shutting down in any way that is not opening the console and typing reboot or "shutdown now" takes way way longer and sometimes bugs out. This might not be a Wayland issue, but a KDE one.
The tdrop program that let's you interact with any terminal as if it were a dropdown terminal doesn't work in Wayland, and it just isn't the same to open a terminal in the normal way, is lame. Foot is a good terminal for sure but I want the dropdown effect.
I can't think of anything else right now, most explicit sync issues I had were fixed with the AUR patch, so of anyone has those issues wait until the real patch comes around and they will get fixed. It was quite annoying without the patch though, some programs glitched visually hard and several games were unplayable due to the heavy ghosting (dark souls 2 and dragon's dogma 2, for example). I'll add to this comment if I remember anything else. Even if the issue was recently fixed it's good to have a list of stuff so that people can check it out and confirm that it's fixed, for posteriority.
Barrier
I miss being able to just use one mouse and keyboard for everything
I still use X11 in my work computer because I need keepassxc to auto-type password to non-web programs.
Five years on wayland here, it's been great as long you don't have single Nvidia gpu or need https://xkcd.com/1172/ kinds of x11 features
Wondering if anyone has an alternative to cursr. That's really the only thing stopping me from making the switch to Wayland full time. I use to make my 2 displays that are different resolutions play nicer
I recently tried to get Wayland working. Followed a simple guide to enable some NVIDIA boot parameter. Somehow it fucked my complete grub and I couldn't boot until I messed around a fair bit with live usbs. Cost me a whole evening.
So I guess what Wayland is missing is normal support from the GPU manufacturers.
It's cute how people just all jumped on some weird Wayland love fest because X11 isn't "cool" enough for you. And it's mostly people new to Linux, gamers, ex-Windows.
X11 has been around for 4 decades. It's had rigorous development and evolution, is robust and reliable. But sure lets just throw it in the bin because... It's going to take Wayland equally as long to be on par, these things don't happen overnight. Remind me in 40 years time.