Has community engagement dropped off suddenly?
Has community engagement dropped off suddenly?
I don't know if others are experiencing a similar situation. My all feed is very sparse with engagement. If I sort top six hours or by top 12 most posts have between 5-10 comments. I feel like there was more in the past? Is engagement dropping off? I'm on lemmy.world as my instance.
Wouldn't surprise me. If you're not into ragebait, tankieism, linux smugness, the painful minutiae of corporations fucking everyone, US bullshit, or all of the above... this place is really pretty slow.
I only really browse "all" on this site and it does seem like fresh content trickles in at a fairly slow rate. At least part of that is that it needs to squeeze by what is now pages and pages of blocked communities just trying to avoid the doomposting.
Honestly, lemmy isn't that welcoming. Read through comments and you'll notice most of them are kinda snarky and rude. Look at no stupid questions (idk the name of "subreddits") you ask a serious questions and almost none of them are on topic just people giving you shit for asking. If you have tech problems it's "install linux,degoogle,stay away from that brand" for someone new reading through them they'll probably leave because of the toxic community.
I'm fairly new. Finding it hard to get truly into the experience given some of the more extreme takes that Lemmy seems to allow (or at least some federated servers)
Seems like Lemmee is sadly becoming a fairly isolated echo chamber for certain opinions only.
edit: An example of "Extreme takes". Not linking the post. it's been upvoted 17 times, and online for 18 hours unmoderated: in the post, the user encourages execution. Murder and destruction of property:
so, as an actual radical:
yeah pretty spot on with healthcare. this is basic ‘having a society’ shit.
I don’t want a job that pays so much as an actual society I can contribute to and nurture and be a fucking part of that will take care of me some noticeable fraction of how I take care of it. I’d rather not have money involved, if its all the same to you.
I do actually want a free place to live. I’ll help build it or whatever, but I’m fucking done compromising with landlord parasites; watched too many of their victims die.
I do not want corporations to be unprofitable; I want them dismantled and their boards executed. worker co-ops are cool. individual enterprise is cool. no more exploitation, no more not having a voice.
I think the entire concept we have of ‘democracy’ is absolutely cucked. I could write some essays on what real democracy looks like, but the short version is: fuck your bourgoise elections.
kill the billionaires; tjwyre literal monsters who drink children’s blood steal and transfuse the blood of the young to grasp vainly at eternal youth while burning our futures. no problem with your party yacht if its green and you built it with your friends, but I think we need a reset on ‘wealth’.
Reading shit like that a LOT on this site is a massive turn off to the average user, and why I have a hard time truly diving in and giving a shit about it.
Edited once more: Bolded the problem points I have with above. My issue is not the message itself, but the words and what this user encourages. Don't gaslight that the language used in that post was beyond reasonable and encourages violence
Over the past two months, I've noticed a drop in engagement on Lemmy. Communities that used to have a decent amount of new content posted over a week, are now lacking or nonexistent. I've noticed this to be highly true with all communities with less than 3k subscribers. I don't recall the name of the theory, but it was something like 'community content theory.' It goes something like this:
'Around 1% of people in an online community will share content and/or try to provide original content. To have this number grow, you have to provide a way for the content posters to continue to post.'
https://www.psychreg.org/psychology-content-creating-why-we-share-what-we-share/
- Self-expression and presenting one's identity/ideal self
- Seeking social validation through likes, comments, shares
- Connecting with communities of shared interests
- Educating others and providing helpful resources
- The "helper's high" of gratification from assisting people
In my experience, the third one rings true most often with people.
That being said, we should take a look at the kind of communities that are not getting much engagement.
https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active
Here we can see the stats for all of the communities across hundreds of instances. (Filters can be applied.)
What's surprising to me, is the ratio of subs to active users there are. After a two minute look, I believe I see that there are a few outliers where they have nearly all of the subs active and fewer that have more actives to subs. Most of what I'm seeing is around 1/3 ratio of subs to active users per week, of the best performers. Definitely not the norm.
I have a few theories as to why this is, but would love to hear from others.
A part of me feels like the .ml instance is working on behalf of meta and reddit to drive people away.
Obviously that isn't what is happening, but when one of the largest instances' user bases is turning every post into Palestine debates and allowing coordinated harassment against anybody who disagrees with them, clearly people are going to leave.
I don't pay super close attention to the numbers, but I glance at the daily users and subs now and then in the comm where I'm pretty much the only poster. I feel I'm down about 25% in daily users and new subs have felt slower.
I've tried posting a second or third post a day to try to catch anyone in a drastically different time zone, but the second post gets less likes than the first. Comments feel down, and more importantly, I don't see near as much growth of "regulars" who comment. I got used to seeing a few names every day or 2 in the comments, but many of them I don't hear from anymore. I do have a few new regulars, but most seem to comment less frequently, and if I'm not holding onto them long term, activity is never going to snowball.
It seems consistent with what I see when I browse All, Top 6 Hours. I'm always worried it's something I'm doing wrong, but I seem to trend pretty consistent with what I see of Lemmy as a whole. I do block essentially all meme communities, so I don't know how their popularity is holding up. I keep Science Memes unblocked for now, because some are actually funny or educational, but somedays they hog up too much of the top posts.
I try to keep posting more in depth and original things, but it demotivates me as a poster to keep working hard and putting in hours when the audience seems like it's shrinking. I try to post more than just cute pics, I try to share news, research, and facts, and I'll do reports on research papers or books so everyone else doesn't have to dig through all the dry stuff. That stuff takes up a good bit of time. I'm trying to keep a popular niche comm alive, and I think it's fun as it's typically positive stories and non-political 99% of the time, so it's what eeeeeeveryone says they want here, but how long are posters supposed to post to what looks like an empty room?
I still try to comment back to anyone who leaves a comment, so they know I'm seeing it and that I really appreciate it. But I can only do so much. I'm really holding out, but I start to wonder what Lemmy will be like at the end of this year.
I've noticed a downward trend, not necessarily "dropped off suddenly". One of the most notable signs I've seen is from the new comments sort.
When I'm interested in seeing what's actually active and where the action is at, one of the things I will do is click to sort by "New Comments" and change my view to Comments. Typically I go to that page, see if any of the headlines or comments catch my attention, then go read or reply.
In the past couple of months, I'm seeing more and more new comments on that first page of results that are 5+ minutes old. When I get to the bottom of the page and click to refresh the results, there are times now when I don't even get a full new set of comments because there haven't been enough new ones to bump the prior comments off the first page.
That didn't used to happen much at all, it was rare enough that it really sticks out when it does happen. Typically, the comments on that first page would be anywhere from seconds to maybe 2 or 3 minutes old and every time I hit refresh (I wasn't spamming the button), I'd have a completely new set of comments to peruse (other than a bug in older versions of Lemmy that would cause some comments to get stuck at the top of that page even when they were significantly older than anything else).
My overall interpretation of this is that it appears there's less commenting, at least during the times of day that I tend to be most active on here. Of course that's not the only possibility. But like OP, I'm noticing a lot fewer posts in those top 6, top 12 filters with lots of comments than I used to see. So, those types of observations do have me thinking things are on a bit of a down trend. It could be a seasonal thing, perhaps a temporary lull.
I've noticed that some instances, including lemmy.world, are getting more aggressive with blocking other instances (also due to assumed "spam"). At the same time, the /all/ feed is only populated by the communities that other users of your instance are subscribing to. I'd look in some newcommunities communities to subscribe to more interesting communities so that they pop up in your /all/ feed. Another reason is probably also that many people are moving away from lemmy.world to smaller instances.
Lemmy is very polarizing. I've had to block a few instances because of just all the garbage that gets posted.
I'm not sure I've seen this take expressed here before... but here I go. I think the thing I appreciate about Lemmy is that it isn't absurdly active. Before my switch to Lemmy (from Reddit ofc), I was compulsively checking Reddit for new content every 20 minutes, even taking priority over hyperfixations of mine. I like that there isn't new content every 20 minutes. It's like checking your fridge every 20 minutes for new food, and Reddit just keeps feeding you until you're upset. This place feels like it "restocks" every day so that I don't feel the need to check it obsessively. It's improved my relationship with social media entirely. My only issue is the amount of bait, not just in the form of trolls but people riling themselves and others up with politics. I get it, I'm extremely far left too, but god if I come here in hopes of being less anxious I always see something that feels designed to make me angry. It's less than Reddit but we could all work on considering if engaging is worth it. Learn to appreciate boredom and understimulation and it will change your life, especially those of you like me with an anxiety disorder.
sorry for the tangent, tl;dr less content actually makes me less anxious and more comfortable and we should learn to appreciate the boredom that comes with that
I think it comes in bursts. You get all the content followed by an afternoon of doom refreshing with nothing new.
My comments seem like they're getting more votes/replies than usual. That could just be because of better stability though, also coincidental/context?
Though I posted 2 threads (OC, simple 3D models with vertex colors. banan) 2 weeks ago that didn't do much (and they both had federation issues in different places, one went to lemmy.world and not other places and the other thread did the opposite) in Kbin communities that don't have any new activity still. I thought about posting to artshare (on LW) to see if that'd be better but I also haven't done anything new with it recently.
I'm not sure if I've seen a drop off lately. And I wanted to say hi :)
Agreed. It's been getting quieter
Create and reply, create and reply.
Or we could start to organise. See how quickly we can get Lemmy etc al in the news and watch it grow.
Seems about the same to me, but maybe a bit less? I have noticed, for a while, that the comment count on posts doesn't match how many are actually displayed when I open comments. It's not about my instance being de-federated because we are federated with all other instances. I think there's a bug in population.
The problem with Lemmy and with reddit too. Is that conversations Die off or stale too quickly. Reason being most engagement happens with older more upvoted comments. And newer contributions don't benefit from the same exposure. Which doesn't give much incentives for people to comment. Which in return deplets the platform of its userbase. Lemmy apps should ship with viewing newer comments by default to combat this. And Lemmy users should also change this setting in their apps.
