unsure why we are surprised lol

Tankies, you can keep jumping servers because we blocked your old servers, and we'll just keep blocking you. No one is interested in your brain damage

It's pretty obvious a ton of them have .world alts now and just brigade from those.
- Tag em in app whenever you see em, makes life easier.
- Mines a lemm.ee alt thank you very much

Lemmy.ml is still focused on FOSS and Privacy, Lemmygrad.ml is focused on Marxism-Leninism. As such, there are plenty of non-MLs on Lemmy.ml, including Anarchist communities, while this is banned on Lemmygrad.ml.

Very different instances, I wouldn't call Lemmygrad.ml "mask off" Lemmy.ml.

Except lemmygrad users are realizing we all blocked their instance and are becoming more active in lemmy.ml to try and evade this, and so yeah, .ml is getting more and more like Lemmygrad
- Can't wait for this to become a systemic issue with Lemmy. Why does everything have to be ruined by tankies and conservatives? They know that nobody wants to talk to them, but they will evade and disrespect the rules just to make other people miserable.
  What a sad hobby.
I have an account on lemmygrad and when I created it, I was asked about my politics. They formally accepted every left ideology but when you say anything remotely anti-authoritarian, you get downvoted into oblivion
- Mind boggling. Like seriously, I am as left wing as they come and for me that is defined by anti-authoritarian views. Fascists aren't bad because they are the wrong kind of fascist.
- Not doubting you, but what do you mean by "anti-authouritarian?" Presumably you've read Engels' On Authority so you know what they are operating under the pretense of, I can see anti-Marxist takes getting removed or downvoted. It is Lemmygrad after all, not Lemmy EZLN or Lemmy Catalonia.
Lemmy.ml is still focused on FOSS and Privacy
Meanwhile at c/worldnews they remove replies where people disagree that Ukraine is run by fascists and Putin should take it.
.ml is rapidly becoming the joke of the fediverse with how unapologetically they hand out bans for even mild wrong think.
- That's a straight lie. ML will quickly ban you for pointing out Russian astroturfing and Russian propaganda, but they barely give a shit about anything else.
- Got any fun or good examples?
Just realized that .ml is a domain hack for tankies. Go figure.

There are people who think they're at all different?

I'm pretty sure lemmygrad was explicitly created to be the mask off equivalent of .ml

i don’t know that people think they are different per se, but i do see a strange sense of shock that the same people annoyed with one might also be annoyed at the other
- Oh please. Everyone knows individuality is sold at Hollister.
- Yep when I first joined I thought it stood for main Instance.
- Why was it the domain that was used?

I leave them unblocked, I like seeing the crazies sometimes

absolutely a valid position to have
I block individuals. I think it can be good to expose myself to the eastern narrative a little since I'm only experiencing a western narrative. As well as eastern shitpost's since I subscribe to 4chan
- Most non-bots are from United States and know nothing about eastern narrative other than what russian and Chinese bots are feeding them.
- Love the name btw
Thanks I need to get the wiggles out sometimes too

Wait, what's lemmygrad?? I incorrectly inferred that lemmygrad was a disparaging name for lemmy.ml

https://lemmygrad.ml/
- Neat, we're not federated with them

Why does this feel like a dark family secret.

They're our crazy uncle that we try to keep locked in the basement but sometimes guests hear the crazed incomprehensible ranting from the cellar door.

Newbie here, do I not see lemmygrad stuff on my "all" feed because I am on the shitjustworks instance?

I can pull it up in the search bar, but don't seem able to subscribe.

I probably need to watch a newbs guide to the fediverse video or something. Like I understand the basic idea, but not the nuances or technical stuff.

defed.xyz lets you check.
looks like your instance is defederated by lemmygrad, so that’s probably what’s up.
- Yea I knew I had start looking up who is federated with whom. Thanks for the link!
Yeah. Also, your instance is pretty well known for doing little about the vast numbers of hard right and alt right individuals on it who seek out and harass left leaning individuals, so it’s in both instances best interest to be separated.
- Thanks for the heads up. Outside of a couple instances I see mentioned all the time, Im not really sure of the differences between them all and their reputations. Lemmy world was my first attempt, but two or three times the account creation did not work. I'm sure it was user error, but I'm not sure how exactly I messed up.
- Really? I just joined it cause I thought the instance name was hilarious.
- LOL
yes! @TheDude@sh.itjust.works doesn't like grad and defederated from them.
here's why in their own words:
The decision to block the Lemmygrad instance was less a question of censorship, and more an issue of personal conviction. As a volunteer dedicating my personal resources and time to facilitating a space for users to create, discover, and discuss - not just on this instance, but across the Fediverse - I admit that this choice was made alone, selfishly, without the consent or thoroughly considering the collective opinion of the community. With the above said, sh.itjust.works has had the lemmygrad instance blocked from its first day.
- Actually, there was a vote immediately after the defederation to see whether people wanted lemmygrad refederated, and about 80-90% of the votes were to stay defederated, so it seems the users of sh.itjust.works also don't like grad.
  edit: my mistake, turns out it was hexbear that was voted on, which has similar content

Why do they run two lemmy instances?

When everyone dislikes your poorly thought out reactions and you respond to that disdain with calls for nuking entire hemispheres of the only planet we can live on, you kinda have to hide your identity/ideologies by way of obfuscation.
They seem proud and vocal in their echo chamber but these fools are weaker than a watery shit irl.
- Bitch-made invertebrate shit-heels pretending to be tough with Molotov-sippy-cups.
Obfuscation. They know lemmygrad is too obviously tankie for most people, but lemmy.ml is not so obvious. The .ml is a dogwhistle that a lot of users won't understand, so they can buy some measure of legitimacy that way. I guess they keep lemmygrad because they also want a place where they can go full mask-off.
- If your theory is correct, then why would they also keep many of their users uninformed? Referring to Lemmy.ml, of course. You claim it's for legitimacy, but doesn't that cease to fulfill its purpose? Is the goal to make a generalist instance, but with slightly more MLs, but also divert the MLs to Lemmygrad?
  I'm not sure your theory is correct, I think Lemmy.ml is just what it says it is: a generalist, FOSS and Privacy focused instance run by the devs, who are MLs.
- ML wasn't machine learning? 😱
Lemmy.ml is focused on FOSS and Privacy, and is generally a "generalist" instance with that FOSS and Privacy slant.
Lemmygrad.ml is an explicitly Marxist-Leninist instance for Marxist-Leninists.
They really aren't comparable instances outside of the dev connection.
They don't. Its basically saying that both instances are leftist based, which is true.
- They are fascist based, not left

Good thing you can block instances. : )

I don't think that's a good solution. If I personally block an instance they can still see my comments and posts and have full conversations alongside them that everybody except me can read. I reserve blocking for genuine harrasment, not horrible ideas in general. I'd rather be part of the discussion and use that to build a case for defederation if it's really so bad I'd want to block them.
- Agreed, and I think defederation from Lemmy.ml is overdue.
  They're a toxic mouthpiece for authoritarian governments pretending to be communists, especially the CCP but also the Kremlin. They're the reason I won't even admit to anyone that I use Lemmy.
  I had an old account I abandoned because they followed me around and downvoted everything I posted. Most of it was funny memes I was posting to help Lemmy grow.
  They're the same trashy people as Hexbear but with a nicer mask and surrounded by legitimate users who don't realize what's going on.
- It's not enough that you ignore views you don't like, you must apparently stop everyone else on the same instance(s) as you from seeing these views. For our protection and safety, I assume?
- That's fair. I'm a filthy casual and thus blocking instances works fine for me (3 so far). User comments from those instances are shown to me with a spoiler tag and when I click on them I can still see them and even comment on them. But I'm happy that posts from those instances don't show up in my feed.

Hi just migrated from Lemmy.ml. just wondering what a tankie actually is? I've heard it used a lot especially on Lemmy. My guess is some kind of pro CCP kind of communist but that's my best guess

Edit: Nvm just googled it. Its pretty much what I wrote.

yeah you p much got it, (e: specifically they are v v chill with violence against innocents and authoritarianism to bring about their chosen regime. im already getting downvoted in this comment tho so yeah just go look at the wikipedia page 😭)
- Does that mean most Americans are tankies when it comes to Israel's ongoing genocide of Palestinians 🤔
  **Clearly struck a cord with the bloodthirsty genocide supporters
Depends on whether the person saying it is a fellow leftie or a rightwinger brainlet. To the first, it's what you described - an anti-Marxist communist. To the second group, anyone left of Nixon.
- IMO a tankie on the left is just a pure anti-west authoritarian cosplaying as a communist - the communism is largely window dressing and they are generally perfectly happy defending Russia (obviously not communist) or authoritarian nonsense from China and other communist countries.
- Wtf is an anti-Marxist communist? Is that like a swimmer that can’t swim? Arizona just outlawed abortion, and have senators speaking in tongues while praying on the floor of the house. President Biden is fully endorsing a genocide in the Middle East. Trump might become the first dictator of America.
  And ya’ll worried about
  
  ?.?.“”TANKIES””. ?.?
  Get some GD perspective.

man, I really need to create my own instance sometime.

I've not been on here long enough to know what this is about, anyone care to explain?

In case you havent been here long enough to know what a Tankie is, on top of what everyone else has shared: A Tankie is a Communist who thinks Russia and China have done nothing wrong, they'll try and make you think we call ALL communists/left leaning people Tankies, but no, the Tank part of Tankie comes from shit like Tiananmen Square where they used tanks to destroy their political opposition, and Tankies are perfectly fine with this/claim shit like Tiananmen Square is propoganda.
Tldr: Communist/Socialists/leftists who arent a fan of Russia and China's dictatorial tendencies? Not a Tankie. Communist who'll defend Russia and China to the point of thinking maybe Ukraine deserves to be invaded and that Taiwan should be absorbed by China? Tankie
Edit: Even more TL:Dr? They're the leftist version of a Nazi Brony
Edit the third: Tankies, downvotes by you hold as much meaning as a downvote on youtube does.. I saw the downvote count go from 1-6 in 15 minutes so you could make it look like as much people disagreed with me as agreed
- Ah, that makes quite a lot of sense! Thank you!
The ml stands for Marxist Leninist. Basically, it means the admins of an instance ending in ml has been some revolting politics.
- It actually stands for "Mali".
- And not just Marxist Leninism, but revanchist Marxist Leninism which denies the wrongdoing of not only Stalin and Mao but also Putin and Xi entirely and blames anything that happened in history or present on the West.
  ie. Tankies.
  I wouldn't really have much problem with them if they were Marxist Leninist and still acknowledged history and reality. Unfortunately that's not the case.
- I still can't stop associating ml with machine learning first 😅
- Also, "Marxism-Leninism" as a term was coined by Stalin, but there's a reason people avoid the term "Stalinism", because even these people understand that his horrific legacy can't be revised.
  So whenever you hear the term, you can understand that it's basically Stalinism papered over with the names of dead men who couldn't object to him puppeteering them and coopting their legacy to lend legitimacy to his reign of terror.
- I thought it meant machine learning :(
In short, it is politics.
Lemmy.ml is full of socialists! Edit: really
- I wish.
  I love socialism and keep engaging but all too often it’s people glorifying dictators.

Me when I see !tankiejerk@lemmy.world is leaking:

!tankiejerk@lemmy.world is the syntax for linking to communities. I feel it’s used too rarely on Lemmy, leading to the slow propagation of information and few people using the unique features that make the lemmyverse navigable. I’d never manage to reach the communities I’m searching for if not for easy linking.
- Oh, TIL. Is there any specific documentation for syntax like this for lemmy?

Wait, I though lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml were about machine learning and gradient stuff

that would be nice 😂

ml is okayish compared to hexbear lol

I thought at first it was some fun leftist lgbt place but quickly I ran into violent bloodthirsty comments that made my skin crawl. there are also many of my lovely fellow transfems over there ugh. it is really sad when people are lost into the void of extremism. But I don’t really blame them however I grieve them.

What we really need is a Schism, and for all the ml domains to defederate from the rest of the lemmyverse, and just become their own thing.

What we really need is a Schism, and for all the ml domains to defederate from the rest of the lemmyverse, and just become their own thing.
But due its size, it's also full of regular people. !linux@lemmy.ml is a good Linux community. Why block the entire instance when the Mao fanboys are just active in certain politics communities?
- It takes minutes to create an account on an instance, it's not hard to move a community.
Yay! Another meta echo chamber! /s
- It actually would be a good thing. Pariah instances are how the fediverse will have to moderate itself, and these people have shown themselves to be incapable of playing well with others. I purposely avoided joining any of their subs because I saw how toxic their influence was on reddit.
  If you look at peertube, there's one instance that hosts Steven Crowder and Alex Jones and like two other people who I assume are lesser demons of some kind. I would avoid any instance that doesn't have the good sense to defederate from that one. This is a similar thing. I doubt the tankies are going to be on the popular side of the schism if it happens, they would have an echo chamber and we would be rid of them.
  The thing about an echo chamber like that is that thanks to the public nature of federation status, it would be obvious who the pariah instances are, so anyone still there would be made aware that they are the minority, not the voice of the people in any way. That's something that takes longer to notice in a forum like truth social. The numbers might be there for people to see, but it's a different platform so you can say there's a slow adoption rate or something, like you can say about Lemmy. With pariah instances there is a direct and obvious comparison, and people have left because your instance fucked up. That's going to drive all but the most hardcore folks away to other instances.

I think for many is shock and surprise is that anything even remotely "ml" is even allowed. Like something illegal is being allowed in plain sight.

To be fair, Communism is illegal in the US.
- No, it's not.

A lot of people in the lemmy.world instance loves to spend time making threads about .ml or lemmygrad. Sounds like unnecessary drama at least for the lemmy.ml instance.

yeah and im sure they do all that just for fun not for any material reason at all its just for the sheer joy of it
- material reasons???? Sounds communist.
"Guys guys guys, lets federate so everyone can be connected everywhere!"
" Guys guys guys, why are you so occupied talking about these awful instances that we're intrinsically linked too via federation? gawd, so much unnecessary drama"

Oh my god who cares, shut the fuck up

womp womp that’s a mean comment
🚨🚨mean comment detected your opinion does not matter🚨🚨
Just block them if you care that much (or if you can't, submit a github issue on the relevant repo and/or switch to something better)

womp womp that’s a mean comment