Russian soldier admits proudly his comrades were killing POWs
A Russian soldier of Wagner private military company admitted in an interview with a Russian Ryazan-based outlet Svoya…
Wow the sheer lack of self-recognition in this guy... Dude, you ARE the Nazi that you pretend to be fighting against. It doesn't matter if you're American or Russian, you 'proud boys' are all the same.
Thank God the Ukrainian military isn’t notoriously packed with Nazis! Because Biden has already given $75 billion to these people, and what do you call someone who gives money to Nazis?
Prescott Bush?
Just to be clear, the US hasn't provided any money. They've provided that much value in assets. Those assets already existed and we're sitting around in storage, which required money to maintain anyway. They were constructed with the idea of fighting both China and Russia at the same time. They are being used to fight Russia, which decreases the level of stock that needs to be maintained to fight both of those nations at once. It's quite possibly saving money, or at least not costing nearly the price tag that is said.
Euromaidenpress, lmao
How long until people start unironically and uncritically reposting from the Azov telegram channels?
Can bad things about Russia not be pointed out? I thought hexbear users were happy to point out when Russia was in the wrong.
Sure, but use proper sources.
What the fuck...
War is ugly. That's probably happening on both sides. You try not killing a guy that's was shooting to kill you.
Yes, American soldiers would never do such things. They are distributing bananas and chocolate during war times to POW, have a lot of occasions to do so during the last decades.
Side note: The American army unofficially encourages their combat arms branch soldiers to shoot wounded combatants during combat and to double-tap the wounded and the dead while assaulting through killzones so they don't have to worry about 'bullshit rules' relating to capturing POWs including 'bullshit' things such as delivering life-saving first aid or the "hassle" of transporting them to a location to properly process them as POWs under the international rules of war.
Lemme put it this way. If I'm a brown person and I've made an enemy of both the Taliban and the U.S. military: which side do you think is better to be caught by? The side that will put a bullet in your head, or the side that will put an electric drill inside your head?
War is war. Either you are appalled that people are killing each other or you aren't, don't act like murderers not following "rules" matters to you.
Not so much.
What do American soldiers have to do with this? That is not even a good whataboutism.
Because the atomic unit of propaganda is not lies, it's emphasis. With any article about anything, the most important question to ask is "Why are they writing about this right now, instead of anything else?" Granted, prisoner killing strikes most of us as a ghoulsh thing, but that alone doesnt make this newsworthy in the context of a war. The newsworthy part comes when the western press chooses to amplify this story while quashing others, playing up the other team's crimes and ignoring our own,giving rise to the narrative of the enemy as universally inhuman and unworthy of mercy. Our war crimes are always accidents and mistakes, their war crimes are always the result of their inherent (perhaps hereditary) bloodlust.
The point of this "whataboutism" it to point out that this article is presenting the killing of prisoners of war as some kind of horrifying aberration from the norm, without actually saying what the norm is. Because the norm, for my entire life, has been the unnacountable mass slaughter by the US of not just POWs, but innocent people.
The killing of POWs is the norm, we set the norm, and now we're crying foul when our enemies follow this norm while sweeping it under the rug when our allies do the same.
Am I saying this makes the killing of POWs morally good? No. Byt what I am saying is that this article was written in bad faith to perpetuate a war where our ally has been shelling civillians and deploying death squads for nine years, with shells and death squad training we gave them.
Decrying the killing of noncombatants is fine and good in a vaccum, but it's a sick joke coming from the 200-year reigning Champion of Noncombatant Murder.
International law is one area where whataboutism is a perfectly valid and accepted line of argument. Unlike domestic law, there is no enforcement mechanism for stuff like war crimes and most laws aren't clearly written down. If a country like Russia or the US executes some prisoners of war, the war police isn't going to show up to write them a ticket.
International law only exists where countries agree it exists. Part of that agreement is treaties and the like, but most of it is what International lawyers call "state practice". Countries can say that a law exists all they want, but if they don't follow the law in their actions then the law doesn't exist.
Therefore, "America, you consistently fail to follow this law so I'm entitled to act as if it doesn't exist" is a totally reasonable argument as far as International law is concerned.
He also says his comrades once took captive a Polish soldier, forced him to stand on his knees, and killed him by shooting him in the head.
Sounds like a foreign mercenary to which the laws of war relating to prisoners of war don't apply.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
the guy who killed him is also a mercenary. and poles live in ukraine, there are lawful combatants from the polish citizens of ukraine.
e: the article says "volunteer" but that still seems like something that would need a trial to determine whether they lacked protections before a summary execution. that should apply to any participants from neighboring countries' ethnicities
The definition of mercenary for POW purposes requires that the mercenary not be from the country which the armed forces are from. Russian guy fighting for Russian military via PMC is not a mercenary. Polish guy fighting for Ukranian military via PMC could be.
You're right in that a trial should be conducted but given that there's plenty of Ukrainians uploading videos of them torturing Russian POWs, I think we're well past that point.
Bad take. Killing prisoners is unacceptable if it isn't in crisis or revolution.
Counterpoint: every last Azovite should have been lined up and shot after Mariupol, not bartered back to Ukraine in prisoner exchanges.
libs: look at this bad thing about russia i found online! (source: ihaterussians.ua/pleaseletusintonato)
When are you guys going to abandon this tankie infested shit hole of a world news sub and go to another one?
Wouldn't they just move to whatever the new Community is? I think you either need to convince your instance to defederate, join something like Beehaw, or create your own instance if you don't want to see those comments.
The world news sub on .world doesn't have this issue, probably because the mods deal with genocide deniers there. It's good to remember .ml has been here since the beginning and most of the /c/'s here were created when basically a majority of users were tankies
Ahhhh Euromaidan Press. The legitimacy beneath my stream of piss coming from the 20th floor balcony.
Sorry that it is not in meme form.
This is a war between armies of hundreds of thousands of combatants on each side. It's statistically impossible that neither side engaged in killing POWs, the question is who did it more? What is the culture of the army? Is it something done occasionally by individual units, hidden from commanders, or is it just accepted by the entire command structure?
Having followed this war closely from the start, the "vibe" I get is that Russia is continuously humanitarian, frequently offers Ukrainians the chance to surrender and treats POWs well on the whole as a matter of military policy, and I feel confident saying the majority of mistreatment of POWs by the Russian side would have been done by Wagner, not the RU Army. Conversely, the Ukrainian army, riddled with rabid fascists and roving paramilitaries barely under the control of the political leadership, has constantly tortured and killed POWs and gloated about it on social media. I realise I should have saved the evidence, but that wasn't exactly the frame of mind I was in while seeing it at the time. ::: spoiler But when the OFFICIAL Twitter account of the National Guard posts shit like this
::: I think it's safe to say 'humanization of the enemy' is not on the agenda.riddled with rabid fascists and roving paramilitaries barely under the control of the political leadership, has constantly tortured and killed POWs
Civillians too!
remember that so suuuper cool time when Azov took a bunch of human shields prisoner, and then recorded themselves playing the terminator theme song to tweet at arnold swartzenager about how cool his support was
also, HORRIFYING that I could only find this video with titles that refer to the ethnic russian civilian meat shields as russian sabateurs
fucking nazis burn all Azov
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Not to mention the Snake Island debacle.
If you don't recall, right at the start of the war, a small Ukrainian National Guard unit was stationed on "Snake Island", a tiny island in the Black Sea. A Russian warship approached the island and told them by radio to surrender. The commander replied "Russian warship, go fuck yourself!". The Russian warship opened fire and blew them all away. For their brave sacrifice, Zelensky posthumously awarded the "thirteen brave soldiers of Snake Island" various medals and honors, and "Russian warship, go fuck yourself! became a shining symbol of Ukrainian resistance against Russian aggression, plastered over the west's print and social media for days, until whatever the next thing was replaced it.
Is there an English source for this one that isn't, well, explicitly a front for laundering neoliberalism?
Not that I doubt that Russian (or Ukrainian) soldiers are doing war crimes on the regular, but a slightly less biased source would be nice if I plan to share it.
A couple of things to ponder:
Think about those for a while. What will people of all priorities (pro-Russia, pro-Ukraine, anti-conflict, etc.) think about the decisions that are made and things that are said?
I don't have the answers to these questions, but know what my guesses would be and I can see people of either side of this conflict giving any one of the possible answers and justifying it either way.
e.g. Imagine Putin has his soldier court-martialled and shot; Some pro-Russians will proclaim this a strong move. Others will say that he should not have done that because those Ukrainians deserved to be murdered and the soldier did the right thing. Likewise if Putin was to throw this soldier in prison, some might say it wasn't enough and others might say that he shouldn't even be in there. (NB: I don't believe anyone deserves to be murdered. Ukrainian or Russian. This is all hypothetical.)
Alternatively, we might have Putin outwardly congratulate this soldier. This would be an internationally unpopular move, more-so than having the soldier shot, because the West kind of expects Putin to "deal with" people who make him look bad, but some pro-Russians would proclaim it a strong move. Others will think that it was a bad idea but say nothing.
Zelenskyy might have his own soldier court-martialled and shot. If he is truly interested in aligning with the West as Russia fears, he probably wouldn't do this. He'd instead have the soldier tried in court, and if found guilty, possibly even turned over to Russia if it could be guaranteed the soldier was going to be imprisoned for his crimes and not tortured or shot.
Would Russia consider turning over their own POW murderers to Ukraine? Probably not. They don't recognise Ukraine.
It would be nice if they did though. If they realised where their soldiers and tanks were they might be able to get them out of there and this conflict would be over. Enough lives have been lost to make up for any transgressions either way at this point.
Euromaidan press, truly the pinnacle of modern journalism
Spamming the same fake news?
We need a rule against posting nazi websites and yes, this is a nazi website and no, the Russians aren't the bad guys
Yes, you're right. There is no bad thing in killing and raping women, children and elder people, and there is no bad thing in bombing kindergartens, hospitals, and even theaters with the word "ДІТЕИ" written at the front.
