Absolutely nothing of note happened in China in June 1989, right?

- I can’t wait to hear about Spez’s new 5-year plan!
  
  Based on that one sub he used to mod, he and Mao might have something else in common. At least a Spez 5-year plan only risks causing a content famine.
  
  Hexbear thinks spez is based af
- Spez' thoughts & Wisdom about Musk & Twitter:
  https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-blackout-protest-private-ceo-elon-musk-huffman-rcna89700

But who hasn’t killed their citizens in a simple misunderstanding? Or, if that doesn’t work, America Also Bad! \s
- America Also Bad!
  Seems like they usually leave out the "also" because apparently two things can't be bad at the same time. Wouldn't it be great to live in a world where only one thing is bad? I expect it'd be simpler, at least.
- I mean, China fucking sucks and is a shit authoritarian statist government but let's not pretend America hasn't done similar things.
  Ever heard the stories of how America won the right to unions?
  Columbine Mine Massacre
  Ludlow Massacre
  Thibodaux Massacre
  Battle of Blair Mountain
  Herrin Massacre
  Hundreds of people killed in total because they were protesting.
  The difference in outcome is that back then the technology was more of a level playing field.
  
  Those things? Also bad.
  Incredible that two things can simultaneously be shit, but it’s true.
  
  Can always rely on there being at least one person ... "but the USA did XYZ." Doesn't change what happened in 1989.
- Well, the citizens they killed were literally firing on them and killed around 150 soldiers. Meanwhile the military for the most part did not have guns. Not saying it is justified even then to use military force on striking workers, but a hell of a lot more justified than western media claims. Oh yeah, and literally no college students died that day, as well as nobody within a mile of Tianenmen Square.
- Who said that

Ah yes the one demonstration to push a government to the left and organize labor that tankies don’t like acknowledging
- No, there was another one, interestingly at the exact same time, in Poland. They don't like that one either.
  
  Could you be more specific? I hadn't heard about that before

Bro China is not real, it's just the back of Taiwan.
- Taiwan numba 1
- Actually Taiwan is China as in its the actual legitimate government of China not the occupiers in Beijing
  
  I wouldn't call the ROG illegitimate since they won the civil war and they are recognised by pretty much every country in the world.
  That doesn't mean I like them more though.
  Edit: PRC not ROG lol.
  
  oh yes the far right nationalists who lost the civil war are the legitimate government.
  i'm an anarchist. how would you describe your politics?

As of the writing of this comment, 3 tankies have seen this post
Edit: T+15h: 35 tankies (829 up). And 5 of those saw this comment.
- I don't see any reason to care about that as long as they aren't forcing their opinions on anyone tbh.
  
  Lemmy is open source so it doesn't matter. Devs come and go.
  
  Oh I know all about that. It’s one of the reasons I enjoy clowning on tankies on lemmy.ml so hard.
  Fun fact: the .ml TLD is officially designated as belonging to Mali; the lemmy devs chose it as an acronym for “Marxist-Leninist”. This caused problems very recently when Mali suddenly re-exerted control of their TLD, where previously they did not take an active hand in its management.
  I’ll copy the top comment there, because it’s actually kind of important if you’re at all into web infra or self-hosting:
  Using ccTLDs when you have no relationship with the country is just asking for trouble. Comes across as naive and unprofessional, although I've seen many serious infrastructure built upon .co and .io names.
  
  I don’t see why I should care, as long as their not assholes, not breaking their own rules, and not abusing their powers as devs.
  
  Why would I care?
  
  hexbear alt spotted!! this is the most popular comment that those fascits/bigots/neo-terrorists post in any thread that makes them salty!

- lmao that was my first thought, this comment section should be very interesting
  
  Given that they defederated from Lemmy.world (at least Hexbear did, idk about lemmygrad), probably not
- you need to go back to reddit, people like you are exactly why it became so shit
  
  Exhibit A.
  
  No, YOU should go back to Reddit.

The mods are asleep. Crosspost this to all the lemmy.ml communities.

- .ml readers interpretation: Tanks (fighting for democracy) brutally killed students
  
  Don't lump us all in with those naive authoritarian children. Some of us believe the internet deserves a better class of communist.
- Or in reality, tanks stop, the driver gets out and talks to the guy.
- Do you really believe that is what happened? That tanks were used to kill protesters?
  
  No the tanks were there as part of a humanitarian mission /s
  
  There are actual images of that happening. It's genuinely an undisputable event.
  
  CCP agent detected ( •_•)>⌐■-■

West Taiwan did some bad shit.

I wonder what actual Chinese people think, anyone originally from China able to weigh in?
- According to my aunt, whose parents fled the Cultural Revolution when she was a teenager:
  It's like if Chinese people kept trying to give you shit about the Kent State massacre and not Vietnam itself.
  
  That's interesting.
- From my conversations with mainland Chinese, they often tout the line that the US was somehow involved, so it was partly an excusable defense of the homeland against dangerously co-opted students. That said, most acknowledge that it was pretty bad. But these are also well-educated Chinese working abroad, so I assume the majority of Chinese don’t know much.
  One story I heard retold by an English teacher working in Nanjing that I used to know was about the experience of one of the people involved in the protests…or at least they were an academic in Beijing at the time of the massacre. They were really depressed 20 years later and felt that nobody around them, particularly their students, knew anything.
- The people I have spoken to in China understand something happened, and most of them know that it was the suppression of a student protest movement. From there the knowledge diverges as to what kind of protest movement and how violent was the suppression and whether it was justified. My family will kind of halfheartedly repeat some version of the party line but acknowledge it was a fucked up situation, and they also understand that the censorship surrounding it is awkward and unnecessary.
  Generally the Chinese I have spoken to are mostly aware of and opposed to the CCP's censorship, but they also don't really like to talk about it for obvious reasons.
- 閉嘴書呆子
  
  干嘛那么凶，别人就问一句问题

Full video for anyone curious
- Never saw the full video... You can hear machine gun fire towards the end.

Has the 50 cent party found us yet? 🤣

For those not around when that happened, i remember it this way, after 20 years of booze, weed & hookers:
The student protest was extremely peaceful and organized. There were student delegations that would report up to student representatives, educatio delegation, housing delegation, for example. The representatives were negotiating with Party people. It was unclear at the time if the Party people were indicative of the top brass. But there was a worldwide feeling something good and right might be changing in China. If I recall correctly this went on for weeks, so the implications were setting in.
Then it all changed when the Fire Nation attacked.
What the video & still represent is not 1 man facing a line of tanks. It a culmination of a generation of students frustrated enough but clever enough to find a way to negotiate a change and when the Army came in they knew they failed. The world knew they failed. The question was how badly that failure was. There were a few days when nothing happened after this video. Then it happened all at once. And the rest as they say is History -- repression, violence, killing, abductions, lost family members, and rewriting history.
Like the Velvet Revolutions of the Middle East, it was a short time of hope for a better future, for the students & for their nation.
That feeling stays & that feeling is what China wants their populace to forget - and you forget by meming this historic picture without context.
P.S I don't know if the man was ever found out, but I hope he stays anonymous.
- Are you at least paid to write this emotional propaganda fantasy? Chinese students didn't give a damn how you felt.

Non Euclidean 4D Tiananmen spheroid.
- 2d citizens afterwards though

Can we morph the Tiananmen Square into a hyperbolic shape next?

That's just a Tiananmen 2d circle with stretching though.

Is the Tiananmen Sphere the rebuke to the flat-earthers who insist it is really the Tiananmen Plane?

We were all on vacation! In Poland!

Me when
When I discover G'MIC

B-But China is free and good...

That’s one frame of a video.
https://youtu.be/YeFzeNAHEhU
They guy cloned the tank to enter it.
- Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/YeFzeNAHEhU
  Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
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Here's some more information about what happened if you're curious. https://search.wikileaks.org/?query=Tiananmen+Square&publication_type%5B%5D=6&order_by=most_relevant#results
- Oh sick link, the first report is literally the Murderers' "Offical and True ;)" accounting of what happened.
  It's genuinely entertaining to read (in a very dark way), how their words are so blatantly flowery and dictatorial, I can't believe that those CCP chucklefucks actually expected to be taken at their word lmao
  Like who other than a troll or a moron would buy that report XD
  
  You think the CPC writes the CIAs reports for them? What a weird take. I'm not sure which telegram you clicked on but since this is true for all the top results I'm fairly confident you read communication from the USA embassy to the USA secretary of state's office.

I mean, go ahead; hang a unarmed police officer and set fire to his corpse, see how the goverment responds.
- People just don't hang and burn a cop without some serious grievances or mental disorders.
  Protip: if the government response is tanks, it's unlikely that mental illness is part of the equation.
- Those poor soldiers that were attacked in their tanks :( They were just visiting Beijing as tourists that day and had no orders to violently suppress any protests. Total misunderstanding.
- https://archive.ph/7Tdzh
  specifically:
  
  Totally justified, obviously!

- The Crown did nothing wrong :( /s

Nothing happened on Tienanmen square, how naive are you all. The British ambassador inventer a tad too detailed horror stories, based on "trusted sources". In fact, the students protesting killed a PLA soldier but after a talk with the intervention force decided to clear square peacefully. The deaths happened elsewhere but we have almost no information about those. People protested against different things, some were for liberal freedom, some for more communism. We know what told us the Western "objective" press.

So the west is still hunting communists to this day? Easier than fixing climate or providing healthcare I guess.
- Predictable "West bad" comment when criticizing a massacre committed by the CCP
- Care to explain what was communist in the event except the name of the party that enacted the massacre and maybe some of the people who died?
  
  I wonder why an event that happened almost before I was born is so important to some people here. Why aren't we showcasing how monstrous Hitler was burning people for racism then? That's far more fitting to the situation of most western countries that are all leaning on fascism and racism. Some western countries like France are not far from crushing protestors with tanks btw.
  But I guess the cold war world of 40 years ago is more comfortable. There was this nice black and white taint where capitalists were the good guys against evil communists. And we must now bring back all the sins of China and USSR to never forget what they did, so can be blind to what's happening now I guess.
  People throwing "tankies" everywhere are worth no more than any Russian troll honestly.
- Huh?
- Obvious troll is obvious.
  
  The troll is the OP posting this picture if you ask me.
- The real shit is always in the comments.