Men that carried out terrorist attack on concert in Russia received funds from Ukraine.
Men that carried out terrorist attack on concert in Russia received funds from Ukraine.
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Some more interesting stuff:
"West protests too much about Kiev’s possible role in Moscow terror attack – Lavrov" https://www.rt.com/russia/595090-west-suspiciously-denying-ukraine-crocus/
The intensity of their insistence on Ukraine’s innocence is unusual, the Russian foreign minister has said
“The West is actively trying to convince everyone that this is the work of ISIS and there is no longer any need to suspect anyone, especially Ukraine,” Lavrov told Izvestiya in a video interview published on Friday. “They keep insisting that Kiev is not to blame, to the point where it’s becoming obsessive.”
“We have repeatedly said that we do not make any final conclusions until the investigation is completed. The investigation is still working on the facts, new circumstances are being revealed, but we simply do not have the right to exclude obvious possibilities,” the foreign minister said.
Meanwhile, Lavrov said, the West is “suspiciously active” in trying to persuade everyone that Ukraine had nothing to do with the attack.
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maybe because it was clear very early on that the kremlin would try and pin this on ukraine
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It's really unfair of Russia to suggest Ukraine might have done a terrorist attack just because of all the other terrorist attacks Ukraine has been doing with CIA support for the last decade
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Unsurprising unfortunately
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How is it that they seem to be acting in such a way that Russia not only has nukes but the largest stockpile in the world.
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Oh noes, Ukraine did something mean to Russia. Why ever would they do that? What could poor innocent Russia have done to deserve to have Ukraine retaliate? Lol.
Stupid, like Israel wondering why Hamas hates them. You reap what you sow.
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what a childish way to look at it lol
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It's a real shame that Russia makes the entirety of Ukraine into an open air prison where they don't even have basic freedoms like praising Hitler or ethnically cleansing Russians
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Russia claims they received cryptocurrency.
Okay, so which currency and which transactions? Crypto has a public ledger, so it should be easily verifiable if these transactions happened.
But obviously, such evidence has not been provided.
Even the claim that they were fleeing to Ukraine is dubious, as a "hero's welcome" would not fall well with the western public (eroding the support they need is not a winning strategy), and the road they were supposedly arrested on leads to Belarus, not Ukraine.
The Russian narrative does not logically add up, and there's no actual evidence at all. Meanwhile, the west preemptively warned the FSB that an attack was imminent (which you wouldn't do if you want the attack to succeed) and named the group behind it, which was backed by evidence (as said group published videos that only they could have taken).
Please keep an open mind. Ask yourself "which is more likely" and make sure the claims you believe are backed with evidence.
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Okay, so which currency and which transactions? Crypto has a public ledger, so it should be easily verifiable if these transactions happened.
I'm not sure what you mean by this? Crypto is used specifically because it is difficult to trace transactions, so I doubt there is a clear public record of the transactions, it wouldn't be used for the vast majority of drug sales if it were so easily traceable.
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The difficulty comes from figuring out who owns which address/wallet. But transactions are entirely public.
See https://help.coinbase.com/en/coinbase/getting-started/crypto-education/what-is-the-bitcoin-blockchain for a simple explanation. Anyone can trace any bitcoin/cryptocoin or whatever from address to address. But that doesn't tell you who owns the addresses (which is where the drug users come in).
Once you figure out who owns specific address, you can trace every one of their transactions. It's part of crypto being a public, decentralised network.
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Imma gonna go ahead and call bullshit on this one…
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If all that you have to support your opinion is your belief, are you any different than Qanon?
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True, when digesting information we must adhere to a rational and emotion-free mindset, or we will be tricked by the interest who hires the best propagandists.
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The claims that Ukraine has planned and financed this horrid attack, the claims Putin himself introduced, hasn’t been verified at all and the Kremlin hasn’t been able to produce a shred of evidence.
A transparent and open dialogue showing the world this alleged evidence would probably shift public opinion, maybe not in supporting Russias claim on a sovereign state but perhaps making other states think twice in supporting Ukraine.
And as to supporting my opinion, I have tried to wade through all the bullshit that everyone is peddling, be it CNN, BBC, NPR, Al Jazera or RT and what everyone seems to agree on is that it is ISIS-K and they were pretty effin’ quick to take on responsibility.
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Naturally there's a fog of war on any breaking news, but give it a few months look back and see if the information was correct or not. If it was a lie, than congratulations you get to feel good about yourself. If it turned out to actually be true, then it's time to work on your media literacy.
It's not reasonable to expect people to look into stuff they do agree with, but for something they don't? That's an easy first step.
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Why would ukrainian involvement suprise you? They are at war, stuff like this tends to happen. Do you think the entirety of the ukrainian military is morally flawless?
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On the contrary, I am a firm believer that war can’t be fought without one bending and bashing one’s morals… with that said, they never asked for this and I am not defending a heinous act of attacking innocent civilians, just the peddling of unverified crap.
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True, but this post is just an image drawn in a silly style. Hard to take it seriously.
I have no reason to doubt the validity, but as of writing this I also have no reason to believe it. It would be nice to see something from AP, NPR, or something like that.
I admit I have not looked.
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Got a non RT source, not that I doubt this, but libs will immediately go "RT is state backed" or whatever.
It doesn't matter. The source of the claims is the Russian government. That automatically discredits it in the minds of liberals whether it's Russian media, Chinese, Turkish, or French.
Especially since the entire west has been going suspiciously hard from day one on "this was ISIS-K, no one else, Ukraine is not involved" being repeatedly parroted with the subtext that any suggestion otherwise is Russian propaganda and excusing escalation towards Ukraine. Day two they were already accusing Putin of using the attack to justify an increased response to Ukraine and calling it crazy.
It's unfalsifiable. If the Russians say it then they're liars because they're Russians and evil Putin is a dictator who maybe did it himself to get at Ukraine or something for some reason. If a western source says it they're Russian agents, been duped by Russia, are doing Russia's dirty work. There is no win here if you're trapped in the liberal paradigm of the aggressor Russians and Putin as a modern Hitler.
The sources for the investigation into the money are not going to be something open source intelligence can discern, you're not going to likely have reporters able to get access to trace money the way a government intelligence agency can so by its nature it's what government do you trust.
All you can do is point to people with ISIS patches pictured in Ukraine. Can point to old stories about Turkey opening a corridor for fighters (including ISIS but not usually mentioned) to go from Syria to Ukraine to fight Russians. Can point to the inconsistencies in this attack's methods of operation and past ISIS and islamic extremist tendencies and point to the Ukrainian regime's history of targeting civilians in drone attacks even deep in Russia. All things liberals will brush aside and deny.
Big facts tbh
For an example of that, look at the lib comment below!