Calling all devs! We need moderation tools that can deal with the growth of Lemmy.

I can code, but I've never been a moderator. What kind of mod tools do you want?

EDIT: More discussion about mod tools: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3281

Fricking flairs, they're very important in the communities that I'm moderating. With an ability to set multiple flairs at once because on reddit you can set only one which sucks because some posts can fit criteria to get 2 or more flairs.
- Here's a relevant GH issue: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/317

Yea this is really important, and also we need a way to moderate the moderators so we don't end up with the "super" mods we saw on Reddit...

Just contacting admins of your instance would do, they have the ability to remove and appoint new mods.
- this is called "meta-moderation" and is a good idea @notbabayaga@lemmy.world :) it's part of the Santa Clara Principles of transparent moderation (https://santaclaraprinciples.org/)

okay, let's talk turkey. let's define some requirements for the mod tools, and then we can start talking about how to satisfy those requirements.

Ribbits

Let's get some basics. When you try to sign up to an instance it should tell you if the username is already in use!
- Have you filed a request at GitHub?
Have you filed reports at GitHub?

I personally find beehaw's moderation weird, I get that you're trying to create a safe and regulated space, but you simple can't do that with 4 mods on the entire instance. I do think that their decision to jump to defederation is a result of these 4 people being overworked and simply not having the time to rationally evaluate the situation.

if they want to continue like this they'll have to evaluate on whether to appoint proper mods to their communities or just decide to change their stance on "safe" content.

Honestly, I respect their decision but at the same time I wonder why they didn't create a standalone unfederated from the get go.

If you want to keep the community small and tightly nit it's just not compatible with the federation system. Now people got invested in some beehaw communities only to end up disconnected from them.

Still, it's not like there is a guide for this. We are all learning how to make the federation work. I hope we can keep it civil toward instances that choose to defederate.

We are all invested in the same thing: Making Lemmy successful.
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- Most of Beehaw's blocks are "generic ActivityPub assholes", which, before the Reddit migration, was really just the worst of the worst of Mastodon, Pleroma, Soapbox, and Miss/Calc/???Key instances, with the occasional PeerTube thrown in.
  
  They likely just imported one of the common blocklists and moved on with their lives, which really should be "how to secure your community 101" but most Lemmy admins haven't seem to have gotten the memo yet.
  
  I'm patiently waiting for the day those assholes realize most of Lemmy is open ground for them to shit in, boy that's gonna be a fun few days.

Beehaw admins: there are only four of us moderating everything

Community: so ask people to be ~~admins~~ mods

Beehaw admins: i can't understand a goddamn word you're saying

Edit: meant to say mods not admins

"Only 4 of us moderating"

"Refuses to add mods meanwhile accepting 1000s of applications to join and building said community in a federated space where anyone outside their instance can participate"

Yep, definitely well planned out by those folks hahaha.
You are now banned from participating in Beehaw

Has this ever happened? From what I can tell asking people to fix their issues is the first step, and defederation only happens when they can't/won't fix them yet

See this post of mine which was prompted by a mastodon dev reviewing moderation tools on lemmy and kbin:

https://lemmy.ml/post/1286830

I had a conversation with the reviewer, and my impression was that headway could be made without too much difficulty.

If anyone’s keen, and willing to work in rust or Typescript, there’s probably work you could be doing right now to make better moderation tools.
- I know typescript but not rust. Ive been hearing a lot of chatter about Matrix - do I install and join a server to get plugged into the dev community for lemmy? Or where should I be hanging out to get an idea of what needs to be done? Github?

Who defederated now?

Nobody de-federated. People saw that there was a the_Donald community on sh.itjust.works + a lot of people from said server defending it ("just ignore it bro"). That triggered probably bad memories ala spez defending t_D because of "VaLuABlE DiSCuSsIoN", while they brigaded and harrased countless people during their time on Reddit. Some people got a little bit carried away and demanded de-federation and a couple of trolls throw gazoline in the fire.
- Nobody de-federated
  
  Beehaw defederated sh.itjust.works and I think Lemmy.world
- This is one of the personal fears I have about society's where 'the mob' decides. Most people haven't had their fate decided by a mob before and so might not know what this means or how it pans out most of the time.
  
  I believe it is imperative that we have something in place to avoid mob actions - not a central authority per say but possibly a collective code we all believe in and abide by. We could perhaps establish what is (un)acceptable on a fediversal (universal) scale and what is (un)acceptable on a local instances (instances decide this themselves obv.)
  
  In the future we might need Lemmy/ActivityPub to be able to define posts/accounts/communities that are accessible across the Fediverse and those that are only accessible to users of that instance.
  
  Hence we wouldn't have the problem where for instance: members of one instance think pictures of furries is not NSFW content but members from other instances think it is

An iOS app would be wonderful. It's the only thing stopping me from being a full-time Lemmy user right now.

There is an app called Memmy (which I’m current using!) which both looks good and is good! If on iOS, just go download “TestFlight” and find the website that has the invite for Memmy or Mlem as the user before me mentioned.

A lot of the requests I've seen is people trying to create another echo chamber

It's decentralised. Echo chambers will fundamentally be more profound.

Would it be relatively straightfoward to port other forums tools here?

Not easily from what I’ve gathered. But making tools in this way is broadly what the fediverse needs.