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General Discussion Thread - Juche 112, Week 33

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  • Regardless of what happens with people in the wider fediverse demanding to defederate from Hexbear, I will always be glad to have our friends from Lemmygrad beside us

  • There's a farmers' protest starting in Belgium similar to the one in The Netherlands. The Netherlands' one is hijacked by far right extremists, but for some reason the one starting over here is starting to show some leftist signs. I even saw a sign about how the leader of the biggest neolib right wing party is 'supporting the big capitalists'. The farmers are also targeting big industrial polluters with their actions.

    Our party is on it as well. We can't afford to have a Netherlands 2.0 over here, since the left over there completely shit the bed with handling the protest.

    I will keep you guys updated, inshallah we may have an uprising

      • You basically have two Belgiums: Flanders (the Dutch part) and Wallonia (the French part) and they are basically two different countries with different cultures.

        Flanders has a bit of a far right problem. It's the most populated and richest part of the country and naturally they are still pretty neolib / far right. Since it's the most populated part, most 'big' cities are here (relatively big, only Antwerp and the Brussels area have population over 1 mil). Most problems with migrants etc will happen over there and that unfortunately leads to bigotry among people. From what I have experienced as a migrant, people in Flanders are very reserved and they tend to 'stick to their own church tower', meaning they probably won't move very far from where they were born. They will have the same friend group since daycare basically and every outsider is treated with a lot of suspicion. For me, this meant it was very hard to make friends, and I'm a white guy from The Netherlands even lol. Luckily I live in Antwerp and was able to find a cool group of people, but I can tell they are considered unique persons by 'regular' Flemish people. So I ended up with lots of queer friends, commie friends, migrant friends and other Dutch people. I wouldn't call the Flemish people bigoted per se. It's not like they are all raging racists, most of them just tend to be very reserved. But I will say that a decent amount of them do have a far right problem. Compared to The Netherlands I feel like people are definitely less open minded. At my first job no one even introduced themselves to me lol. It took them a few months to figure out why I moved to Belgium. And again, I'm white. Can't imagine what it's like to be non-white, non-Dutch speaking.

        Wallonia I know less of. They are more left leaning and they even have one actual right wing party versus multiple center or left leaning ones (and our Marxist party, of course!). They are the poorer part of the country, mostly due to the fall of heavy industry. Never ask a Flemish guy what he thinks about Wallonia otherwise he pulls his mask off and goes on a Hitler like racist rant. It's insane how they think about their fellow countrymen. It has absolutely beautiful nature with never ending hills and woods, and they make world class beer. I always like going to Wallonia. The people I meet there are very friendly and down to earth. I don't live there, so I can't fully speak for them, but I'm willing to say they are far less bigoted then the Flemish people.

        I wouldn't call The Netherlands that progressive either. A lot of people say that due to the 1970s-early 00s in which we did make great steps forward regarding weed, LGBTQ+ rights and social securities. But for the last 25 years or so, neoliberale policies have taken place and they seem to be a holy line of thought right now. Right wing extremism is on the rise, we are consistently going lower on the LGBTQ+ rights list, inequality is growing at a tremendous pace and society is highly individual. If I were to bet money on where actual revolution would take place, my money would be on Belgium. There's a far stronger class consciousness here. Unions have a lot more power, with over 60% of all working people being a member. We have an actual marxist party and it's growing fast.

  • Saw a reel (TikTok? Shortform video?) about a Guy that was larping as a NEET in a tropical country.

    And one comment really summed up my thoughts: go back home and get a job lmao.

    Why do these people celebrate being leeches to society and seemingly aren't self-aware?

    They get our scientists and engineers meanwhile we get this.

    They're not sending us their best folks

    • Can't fucking stand those people. They used to be somewhat common in my area so my friends and I would pull all kinds of pranks on them when we were bored after school. One of my buddies would set off firecrackers and you would hear them screaming and slamming into shit thinking guns were going off lmao

    • Why do these people celebrate being leeches to society and seemingly arenโ€™t self-aware?

      Because a person's goal in a capitalist system is to do nothing while getting everything. To ascend from the exploited to the exploiter. It's wrapped in rosy language such as "passive income", but that's what it is. If a person can be a neet outside their parents' basement (which seems to be the case in what you describe), one must ask where's the money coming from

      • If a person can be a neet outside their parentsโ€™ basement (which seems to be the case in what you describe), one must ask whereโ€™s the money coming from

        I am a โ€œneetโ€ because of a severe mental disorder I have. I'm going to depend on the welfare system my whole life. In this situation, you are no different from a Nazi. You want people like us to die? Thatโ€™s literally social darwinism which is Nazi ideology. Your comment is inhumane, as are you and all the privileged people who approve of it.

      • I have this feeling that I've had conversations that had friction and I couldn't tell why because I've internalized this notion. Ive also been provocative in saying that there's no such thing as rewards for hard work and doing good for society is entirely separate from making enough. Or popping off with saying NEET would be the highest aspiration short of destroying the system and getting justice for the exploitation.

    • I have been seeing a lot of life-hacks about how pensioners move to south east Asia with their cash because the low cost of living and also to bulk buy properties and live on passive income.

      You are going to have that problem with countries with questionable economic sovereignty (look at the Philippines in particular) instead of becoming a state with possibilities to do local development, you have oversea entities coming there to suck out the resources, labour, wealth and talent out of them and leave the place to die

  • Welcome to the future where tech is getting worse all the time.

    Google was garbage so I used a chatbot for the very first time. I asked it why the actor Ken Howard left the tv series "Crossing Jordan". He started out in the main cast but by season 4 (2005) he only appeared in one episode and then he had left the series. The chatbot produced total crap that seemed real.

    Ken Howard left the show Crossing Jordan in 2006 due to his starring role in the Broadway revival of the Pulitzer Prize winning play '1776'. Howard had already been appearing in theatre productions while working on the show, but the producers of Crossing Jordan allowed him to take part in the musical as long as he was able to make it back for shooting.

    However, once the show became a hit, it was difficult for the producers to accommodate his schedule. In addition, Howard was offered the chance to play the lead role in the film adaptation of 'The White Countess' which he also could not pass up. Ultimately, he had to make a difficult decision between continuing his role in Crossing Jordan and pursuing the new opportunities.

    • Howard appeared in the 1972 movie "1776". But there was no ~2006 Broadway revival of "1776". The revival happened in 2022. Howard died in 2016.
    • "The White Countess" came out in 2005 but Howard had nothing to do with it.
  • Fall semester at university is starting soon and Iโ€™m excited to share everything that happens during my next Political Science class! Iโ€™ll also post about anything related from my other courses too, such as psychology and history.

  • Started watching the X-Files to balance the politics in my life and so far I'm liking it

    But I'm a huge space/alien nerd, so

    • As a fellow space/alien nerd u got any reading/watchings recommends(not including star trek obvs) ? Struggling to find new materials.

      • Babylon 5. Despite when it was made (in the immediate aftermath of the end of the USSR and all that "end of history" nonsense) it's got a lot of remarkably good takes that aged very well. The show's creator is a student of history. A running theme through the series is "fascists can't be negotiated with, they need to get walled". The show's creator wrote almost all the episodes: 92 out of 110. And most of the ones he didn't write were early in the show's run. Characters just got more and more consistently-well-written as the show went on. The series has a very definitive and satisfying and heart-wrenching finale. This ain't no "Star Trek: Enterprise".

        There's also a major theme of respect for others' religions despite the show's creator being an atheist. He's not one of those "new atheist" assholes. His attitude is more "If faith brings someone comfort, and they're not using it as an excuse to harm others, I got no problem with it". The best episode of the series (in my opinion) is entitled "Passing Through Gethsemane", and handles a unique kind of crisis of faith by a Catholic Trappist monk with respect and compassion. A spoiler-free clip of my favourite scene from that episode.

        Skip the original made-for-TV-movie pilot "The Gathering". It's not bad at all, it's actually pretty decent. But so much changed between that pilot and the TV series that it's basically an alternate universe. It's worth watching after finishing the series though, as a sort of "what if?" thing.

        The first season is rough, but not as rough as its reputation would have you think. I'd put it about on par with the first season of Deep Space 9 in that respect. Skip the episode "TKO" though. It's the "Spock's Brain" of B5. You're missing nothing.

        Short version, it's got a lot of consistent themes that left-leaning folks tend to like. Labour solidarity, the problems with aristocracies, the problems with capitalism, the problems with military-industrial complexes, how easily fascism can take root if not continuously weeded out, the dangers of propaganda, the dangers of wishing for a "return" to "the good old days" of empire, the need for compassion and material aid to those who might not be "like us", etc.

      • I don't know if you've seen it already but I can recommend watching all the Starship Troopers films. A lot of people have watched the first one but the follow ups are great as well. The acting is not Oscar worthy but you'll have a great time. Plus they often have a cheeky society critical undertone.

        If you read manga I can recommend Plantes by Makoto Yukimura. It's about a clean up service in space combined with some settler colonialism versus terrorism.

  • We're about to get a four-player duel with Duncan and Sayori against Nagito and Mukuro. Lots of arm-cutting is gonna happen, very star wars.

  • watching that one mutant kdrama with the SO,

    moment when the cia fed wasn't cooperating but then shits his pants and folds instantly once the mss is on the line, surprised disney let that one through

    weird that the SK government doesn't crack down harder on negative sentiment against american occupation in media

  • Was sorting through old open tabs and stumbled upon this shit. I am now sharing it, because misery loves company

    • Since I'm a bot and can't pass the captcha, what is it?

      • Captcha? It should be an archive. It's an economist article (that economist), about the war in Ukraine. It has such wonderful pearls:

        As Yuval Noah Harari, a historian and author, wrote this year, โ€œmost governments stopped seeing wars of aggression as an acceptable tool to advance their interests, and most nations stopped fantasising about conquering and annexing their neighbours.โ€

        The Correlates of War Project, an international research outfit, has collected data on every interstate war fought since 1816, after the Napoleonic wars. These data confirm that warsโ€”meaning conflicts between states with at least 1,000 battle deaths in one yearโ€”are becoming much rarer. In the past three decades there have only been five, including the current one between Russia and Ukraine.

        Emphasis mine

        War is also rare between democracies (the number of which has increased in the past 200 years), perhaps because voters tend not to like the costs of it and boot out their belligerent leaders. Some scholars even argue that, depending on how strictly you define democracy, two have never gone to war with each other.

        So yeah. Wonderful shit

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