As of today, March 9, this is officially the new flag of Utah
As of today, March 9, this is officially the new flag of Utah
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As someone from outside the USA, I'm surprised a state flag looks this good. I dig it.
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There has been a recent movement of states with bad flags trying to improve their image. Illinois might be next and I'm quite excited about it as it's long overdue!
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I thought, "Doesn't Illinois have one of the few good state flags?"
Nope, I was thinking of the city flag of Chicago. The state flag is literally just the state crest on a white background. It would absolutely benefit from a redesign. :p
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There's actually a few nice ones. Check out New Mexico, one of my personal favourites.
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...new mexico's current flag is one of the very best, and certainly beats the heck out of their laughable first effort...
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Wow that's... different
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It's no California Bear, but it's up there
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The bear is great but the fact that they label it "CALIFORNIA" in big block letters makes me laugh every time I see it. It's like a child drawing.
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https://lemmy.world/comment/8300053
All good things in America should be treated with suspicion
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I just watched CGP Grey's video about state flags yesterday
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He's a Colorado hater though.
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This video from about a year ago mentions that and I find it convincing: https://piped.video/watch?v=fzUDKYOQ_g0
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Now I will admit that I'm a CGP Grey fan and thus biased, but I do think this rebuttal does feel more contrarian than reasoned.
He mentions the historical use of flags was for easy recognition at sea and in war and thus not really needed by established land-locked colonies, but I'd argue recognizability is still the main purpose of flags. I'd actually argue it's more important now since we see so many more flags in our lifetime than anyone did 200 years ago. How often do you see states listed by or next to their flags now? Take this Wikipedia article on state populations. Do you need the flags to identify each state? Of course not. But they do enforce instant recognition of the state and make it easier to find the state you care about at a glance (so long as the state has a distinct flag).
Beyond that, he mentions the historical meaning of seals, but that need not be lost by a flag redesign. Take the proposal for the Keystone Flag, which reuses the colors of the seal while adding new meaning via symbolism. Both can be used as conversation points to teach about the history of the state, while the latter gains the benefit of being visually distinct.
He also mentions that the point of seals was to be visually intricate not because of the history they represent, but for security purposes. Why, then, do we need what is basically a watermark on our flag? Does it trump the desire for a visually appealing and meaningful flag just because it's old?
As a final point, Grey has a practical reason for desiring distinct flags: he uses them to visually represent states and countries in his videos. His preference, biased as it may be by his own needs, is not arbitrarily decided.
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oh man I forgot about JJ for a bit there
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I still can't believe they tried to stop this from being adopted because better designs are woke now apparently
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Look, let's be honest. Any change is "woke." There is this imaginary world that existed 80 years ago that they want to get back to, that was all sunshine and surplus, and they think that any change, particularly progressive change, is bad and "woke."
Edit: so I realized what instance I was in and that this isn't the appropriate place for that rant. So I will just say that I really appreciate the changes that are being made to flags, because it seems like the people coming up with the flags in the first place didn't really get it.
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I do like that they took "hexagons are the bestagons" to heart.
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Legendary refrence.
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Looks like an nfl team logo. I hate how contemporary corporate design it is.
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You think that's bad, check out some of the municipal flags in Japan, especially the ones designed in the early 2000s. The ones based on old clan symbols are fine, but those other ones look like some corpo bro from the 90s commissioned designs by saying "I want it to have more radical swoosh vibes!"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_municipal_flags_of_T%C5%8Dhoku_region
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Still better than the state seal on a flag
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I see Star Wars, the Klingons, a mirrored Swastika, Harry Potter, and a few others in there.
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Weird, it doesn’t feel corporate at all to me. A flat, simple design doesn’t immediately mean something’s corporate.
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I don't have any art background so I can't really describe why the (non-clan based ones) feel so overly artificial. I think the color choice has a lot to do with it though-- way too many lime greens and oranges for me. Plus some of them are based on letters from the latin alphabet, which almost seems like a reverse weeb thing, ie "western letters are so cool guys!" Not that most of the kana ones are much better-- it's hard to make lettering on a flag look good.
Maybe the vexillology community would be able to describe it better.
edit: I mistook the comment I replied to as a reply to my comment below, but I'll leave this up as an explanation into why I find the Japanese flags strange
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Contemporary corporate is extremely fitting to the Mormon majority.
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I don't hate it. Mountains and bees. Two things I love.
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I'm positive that's an igloo and this is the state flag of Alaska.
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...alaska's one of the good state flags, don't give them any ideas!..
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Don't miss the valley
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The valley's for low lifes
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Is there alot of bees there?
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Since you haven't received a serious answer yet...
Utah is self reffered to as the Beehive State because Brigham Young originally wanted to name it "Deseret" from the Book of Mormon. "Deseret" in LDS teachings means "Honeybee". This was meant to show that the Mormon settlers were hardworking, industrious, and self reliant.
This obviously didn't fly for a ton of reasons and they didn't have much of a choice after the Union Army basically chased them halfway across the country and then took a foothold right alongside them in the territory to make sure they didn't establish a Theocratic state.
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Wait it's actually to do with Mormonism? Wild
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Wow never was going to figure that out by looking at it.
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Deseret
Ether 2:3 And they did also carry with them deseret, which, by interpretation, is a honey bee; and thus they did carry with them swarms of bees, and all manner of that which was upon the face of the land, seeds of every kind.
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NOT THE BEEES!!!
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Hive mind?
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As someone who used to live there, that's exactly what I thought too!
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is utah known for beekeeping or something?
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When settlers first got to Utah they imported bees and brought them in to help develop and cultivate. Since then, Utah has been known as the beehive state.
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That would be a logical reason for it but remember this is Utah... so no.
Bees have weird place in Mormon lore. The creepy founder created a new name for them in the Book of Mormon "Deseret".
His successor, Brigham Young, used it as the name of country Mormons tried to establish in the west.
"It represents a theocracy ruled by the church."
The bee symbolism used in sermons from the 1850s described the godly society the Saints strove to build.
https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/the-symbolism-of-the-beehive-in-latter-day-saint-tradition/
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that makes sense. thanks for the utah lore
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Beehive, pooping a star...
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Better then most states
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Which is a bar that sadly one is endanger of tripping over
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The bar is too low to be a trip hazard.
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It's well designed, nice shapes and colours
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looks like colorado envy to me…haha
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They've flattened the Disney logo
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WOW that's way better!
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It’s lovely. Unlike the compromise flag that came out of Minnesota.
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You're looking at the Minnesota flag through the eyes of someone with lots of good choices who didn't get what they want. I think there's no doubt that the current new flag is an upgrade from the old one.
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It’s an upgrade. But the bar was already low because the previous flag was pitiful. The one that won he competition was fine, but then someone (or someones) who thought they “knew better” made changes to it and sucked all the color out of it. Now it’s just meh.
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Imo the new Minnesota flag is great. It's not as good as the original submission (and that sentiment might contribute to people not liking it as much), but it's still a good flag. The colors are nice, the design is distinct & readable, and you can even combine other flags with it (an obvious example being a pride flag) by replacing that light blue field.
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T-Rex eating a honey shop membership token.
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Too busy, they didn't need a literal beehive in the middle. The hexagon could have done that work.
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Why is the lower part in red?
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It represents the blood that will be spilled in Utah's conquest for world domination.
In all seriousness, it's meant to evoke a rocky canyon. Additionally, the white is meant to be mountains (hence the shape), and the blue is sky.
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Ah yeah I see it now! That's probably why the middle part is slanting down. Thanks for answering!
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For the blood of Utah's enemies.
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I'm from Utah and can confirm that the color red does NOT represent the blood of our enemies. Not unless you really piss us off anyway.
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I wonder what kind of personality it has when you put it in a medabot
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mormon
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This is great
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According to all known laws of aviation
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there is no way that a bee should be able to fly.
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Honey! Where are my flaaaaaaaaaags?
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State slogan should be, "c'mon... buzz a while" I'm a king bee, baby!
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Flaggy McFlagface
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Looks stupid.
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That is one ugly flag
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