Biden says he regrets referring to 'an illegal' and defends direct criticism of Supreme Court in State of the Union
Biden says he regrets referring to 'an illegal' and defends direct criticism of Supreme Court in State of the Union
From the transcript of the speech:
REPRESENTATIVE GREENE: What about Laken Riley?
(Cross-talk.)
AUDIENCE: Booo —
REPRESENTATIVE GREENE: Say her name!
THE PRESIDENT: (The President holds up a pin reading “Say Her Name, Laken Riley.”) Lanken — Lanken (Laken) Riley, an innocent young woman who was killed.
REPRESENTATIVE GREENE: By an illegal!
THE PRESIDENT: By an illegal. That’s right. But how many of thousands of people are being killed by legals?
I don't see the problem. His response rightly points out that murders happen regardless of the perpetrators legal status.
It's just how propaganda works.
At any given time, there are a few different anecdotal-type "talking points" that are the new thing everyone's talking about. You're going to be hearing about Biden saying "an illegal" for a little while, even though as your transcript notes, it wasn't even him that chose the wording. People form their picture of the world through these little gestalt-facts, and if you can pick one that will shape the narrative you want to present, and arrange for people to hear it over and over from a variety of sources, and do that in a constant stream that all points to the same types of conclusions, it actually does a pretty good job at controlling how they'll perceive the totality of the situation.
It's almost exactly the same as how you will hear over and over that:
... and then all this weight of emotion behind how bad Biden is for the climate, how he's just the same, how it's such a shame that I as a good climate-change person can't support him... etc etc. Because the little factoids are in fact accurate, and properly sized and shaped to stick in your brain, they count as "supporting evidence" for Biden being bad on the climate.
The reality is, the way to analyze Biden's performance on the climate is to ask what's the total content of the climate bill he got passed, and what impact it's expected to have. That's it. Just like the reality is that how he performs on immigration has nothing at all to do with whether he said "an illegal" in this specific context.
If you hear someone repeating one of these specific little factoids, or if you start to see one specific one that is commonly repeated, my advice is to become suspicious of the message on top of which it is being placed, like a little evidence-cherry.
I mean the effects of the climate bill in comparison to the scale of the problem are fairly modest. And the US continues to slow-walk real change at the international stage as well. It’s a fair criticism.
Always be wary of the Concern Troll.
You have made it crystal clear that you regard anything less than worship of Biden as being russian psyops.
You're going to be hearing about Biden saying "an illegal" for a little while, even though as your transcript notes, it wasn't even him that chose the wording.
why isn't he accountable for the words that come out of his mouth?
The only real problem is he gave them a sound bite.
Which, I mean, even if he didn’t, they’d try and manufacture something anyhow.
Yeah I don't understand why he engaged or acknowledged her. That seems dumb.
He also said "Lincoln Riley" instead of Laken Riley so the transcript is wrong.
So what.
If his conscience worked he wouldn't be bending over backwards to illegally supply weapons of war to a country engaged in a genocide.
It’s commonly understood that injecting one’s opinion into a discussion that requires facts, is it poor taste.
However, in the interest of fair play, how about you go ahead and prove that Biden is “bending over backwards” to “illegally” supply weapons of war.
Provide evidence that:
A) He’s “bending over backwards
-and
B) It’s illegal.
Otherwise, admit that you’re here to spread false information. So we can flag your comment as propaganda.
Was thinking as I read the prior comment, "working handlers."
I dislike Biden immeasurably less than Trump, and I plan to vote for him in November, yet:
“It is a red line," Biden said, adding, “but I’m never gonna leave Israel. The defense of Israel is still critical.”
That sounds to me like there is, in fact, not a red line.
Drawing a line without any consequences for crossing it is worse than not drawing a line at all (source: my pedagogy prof, many, many moons ago).
I realize that Biden did not, in fact, say that there were not going to be any consequences at all - but the other thing with lines is that the consequences need to be known in advance, and they need to be adhered to. From all I'm hearing in interviews, the US government seems very hesitant to commit to any consequences, and if the slaughter keeps going, it may save Netanyahu's political career, but seriously bite Biden in the tush come election day.
Didn't he say something about a 2 state solution being the eventual goal?
Yes, he has been saying this. What is lacking is a plan to get there. Against the opposition of the current Israeli government.
He says a lot of things. He's supporting Netanyahu's genocide by selling him weapons and backing him up at the UN.
His support for a 2 state solution consists of words.
The two state solution here seems to be a border with Israel on one side and Egypt on the other.
For as good as the SOTU address was, I agree that that one line where he used the term "illegal" came off very wrong when I heard it. I thought it was very out of character for him to use the same language that Republicans use to dehumanize people. I'm glad he at least recognizes that it was wrong.
Ugh, the liberal handwringing over this term is how we make more Republicans. Is that term all that significant in contrast with what the policies will be? No.
This article and, from the sounds of it, Biden's interview from yesterday both sound like a great refute to trump's putting down / making fun of Biden for "apologizing" for referring to the man as "an illegal".
Correct. I'm pretty sure that "illegal" is just the short form of "illegal alien". And is that the accepted legal term for a foreign national who is in the US illegally, right?
Honestly, all of this language policing just turns the average person right off. I mean, I suppose it wouldn't be necessary if the Republicans weren't constantly sneering at people, but still. It is better to reclaim terms the Republicans abuse rather than try to language-police hundreds of millions of people. It is very, very off-putting.
I mean, I get it, we should hold the president to higher standards and be more inclusive overall. All I'm saying is don't forget that Biden, much like all of us, are products of our environment, and that includes our time. At the end of the day he has been far more cognizant and considerate of the diversity in America than his predacesors and many others currently in government. Look no further than that house inquiry to TikTok and how that representative didn't know the difference between China and Singapore.
Biden helped write the 94 crime bill despite it being known at the time that social services were the best way to reduce crime. Obviously vote for Biden in Nov but I don't think he should get the benefit of any doubt.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
President Joe Biden in a wide-ranging interview with MSNBC on Saturday defended his direct criticism of the Supreme Court for its 2022 decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health and said that he regrets having referred to an undocumented immigrant as an “illegal.”
In the statement, a campaign spokesperson responded to news about the passage of a fetal personhood bill in the Iowa state House that could have negative implications for patients seeking in vitro fertilization treatments.
Trump’s record speaks for itself: his Supreme Court pick Amy Coney Barrett refused to say if she would oppose criminalizing IVF,” senior campaign spokesperson Lauren Hitt said in the statement.
Biden said Saturday that in his speech to Congress, he was attempting to highlight the differences between rhetoric offered by himself and former President Donald Trump about the border, pledging not to “treat any of these people with disrespect.”
The president added, “I don’t share [Trump’s] view at all,” saying that immigrants “built the country, [are] the reason our economy is growing,” but still, “we have to control the border and more orderly flow.”
Still, Biden was firm that Israel “cannot have 30,000 more Palestinians dead as a consequence of going after [Hamas],” likely citing figures showing that more than 30,000 people in Gaza have been killed, according to the Hamas-run Health Ministry.
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Props to all the liberals who blindly defend him saying it and then being racist on twitter lol. That class of people who just exist to boot-lick people in power are something else.
It's like saying "Im sorry I used the N word. Anyway, we'll be bringing back segregated classrooms to protect white kids from the black crisis."
I really dislike the newspeak about "undocumented immigrants" vs "illegal immigrants". The problem isn't that they don't have documents. The problem is that they entered the country illegally.
Yes, they committed a misdemeanor. So when you jaywalk you’re an illegal pedestrian, and when you do a rolling stop at a stop sign you’re an illegal driver.
So what kinds of illegal are you? I’d assume at the very least an illegal pedestrian, likely also an illegal driver. Are you by chance an illegal shopper as well?
Not to mention many (most? Probably the vast majority) simply overstay their visa.
To be honest, I’d rather deport the howler monkeys.
So when you jaywalk you’re an illegal pedestrian
Sure, that's not a term anybody really uses though.
when you do a rolling stop at a stop sign you’re an illegal driver
No, an illegal driver is a driver without a license. It's a pretty widely used term. There's also "illegal doctor" for people who are practicing medicine without a license. Normally when the term is used it's not for a brief violation of the law, but for a persistent status.
So what kinds of illegal are you?
If you think "illegal pedestrian" is a thing, I've been that pretty often, but I've never been caught. Was this supposed to be some kind of gotcha?
From the quote in the article he seemed surprised it was an issue...
The statement marks an apparent reversal from what Biden said Friday. While at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland, the president was asked, “Do you regret using the word ‘illegal’ to describe immigrants last night, sir?”
“Well, I probably — I don’t re — technically not supposed to be here,” he responded.
Probably because he's been hanging out with republicans again.
The Democrats told Biden that he needed to show more of the fire that was on display in a closed-door meeting with governors when Montana Gov. Greg Gianforte handed him a letter demanding more action on the southern border. Biden flashed a smile, according to two of the governors standing there.
"State of the Union,” Biden said, teasingly.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/07/politics/joe-biden-state-of-the-union/index.html
Dude is 81 fucking years old, and all it takes is five minutes of face time with a Republican till he thinks he's back in "the good old days" with Strom Thurmond and Mitch McConnell
He planned this stupid shit and legitimately thought it was a good move.
He's completely out of touch with Dem voters
It's hilarious to me that while he was Obama's VP, and even up to a few months ago I was saying Biden is as far right as you can get in a democrat, and that he's filthy with the blood of the drug war. And everyone would downvote me and defend Biden, now here we are.
Corn Pop was a bad dude an illegal a bad dude