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Sweden raises its terror threat level to high for fear of attacks following recent Qur'an burnings

www.ctvnews.ca Sweden raises its terror threat level to high for fear of attacks following recent Qur'an burnings

Sweden raised its terrorism alert level on Thursday one notch to the second-highest, following a recent string of public desecrations of the Qur'an in the Scandinavian country by a handful of anti-Islam activists, sparking angry demonstrations across Muslim countries.

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If I can't burn your holy book without terrorism there's a problem.
- Why would you want to burn their holy book?
  
  I'm against burning books but if someone wants to, let them.
  
  Because I support free speech. That means protecting speech I disagree with. If we only defend the speech we like, we no longer have a democracy.
  
  Books are for reading, not burning. But anyone should be allowed to burn any book they want to burn. It's nothing but ink on paper.
  
  Why would anyone want a book about pedophilia and war?
- If I can't walk down the streets of Tel Aviv dressed like Hitler then there is a problem.
  If I can't drive through a small town in 'Bama with a 'I VOTED FOR HILARY' bumper sticker then there is a problem.
  If I can't go to a Portland Cider Bar wearing a Make America Great Again hat then there is a problem.
  
  Jessie what the fuck are you talking about
  
  You keep putting yourself into the position where you GO somewhere. Sure, don't go to Israel if you're a Nazi.
  Don't go to Alabama at all.
  Don't go to Portland as a supporter of fascism if you don't want to be labeled as a fascist.
  Don't go to a 1st world country if you want to cut off people's heads for burning books. Don't go to places if you don't support the principles they've carved out there. It's not that hard.

Imagine living in a world where you fear for your citizens because someone could kill them as a revenge for some burnt books.
- @notmenow @DoctorTYVM
  Some Americans feel the same way about those who burn a flag.
  
  I have just noticed Americans calling for the killing of Democrats because they dare waving a LGBTQ flag. They are literally the same kind of people they hate, extremist Muslims
  
  The same can apply to them then.
  I abhor any form of physical violence which I always find unjustifiable.
- You don't even have to imagine. That's the sad part.
- Unless a huge majority of muslim religious leaders are decrying seeking vengeance for things like this, and unless they're all telling their congregations to be peaceful, then it's a shit religion that I would be ashamed to be a part of.
  
  We ARE condemning it. We’ve been consistently doing that for literally decades now. Did you even bother to check?
  
  This is a ludicrous statement. Obviously Muslim leaders shouldn't support or endorse violent actions, but they do not have a responsibility to account for every misdeed done by members of their faith. Does every Christian church have to provide a response for every Christian nutjob?

How about stop letting certain groups have special treatment?
There is zero justification for going into some raging fit if someone burns a book. Yet all these left leaning European countries have tried to turn a blind eye or downplay every time one of these groups have assaulted or threatened someone.
Assimilate to a modern, 1st world culture, or go back to the stone age bullshit where you came from. You left whatever hellhole you came from because those countries are backwards-thinking conservative theocracies. Don't you dare come to these western countries and try to impose your backwards thinking onto the native folks already there. You Assimilate to their culture, they aren't going to walk on eggshells to appease your archaic religious nonsense. Fuck religion.
- Yet all these left leaning European countries have tried to turn a blind eye or downplay every time one of these groups have assaulted or threatened someone.
  Which countries do you mean? And could you explain how they ignored people assaulting other people?
  I fail to see why this is a thing, or why you mention it's somehow a "left" thing.
  The reason it's more significant now is that Turkey is using the book burning as an excuse to withhold approving NATO membership. After that it became news, before that it wasn't news. Meaning, no need to make up stuff about you making up things about "left leaning".
  
  There has been a massive influx of Muslims into Europe over the last decade or so due to troubles in the Middle East. The Left has naively been welcoming them en masse not realizing that so many of these people have zero interest in assimilating into these new countries and instead want to bring with them the extremist conservative values they had back home. This has been happening all across Europe from Germany to the UK to France to Sweden. These people have been known to try pushing their ass backwards views on locals and the locals not really being able to do anything about it.
  
  Fuck Turkey they are the worst the NATO member and fight with the rest of them
  
  Sweden and Denmark for sure, maybe also Germany, UK & France.

Islamaphobia doesn't exist. A phobia is an irrational fear. It is perfectly rational to be afraid of people who's faith instructs them to kill the non-believers.
- This isn't Islamophobia.
  Islamophobia definitely exists, and is the phobia / hatred of all those who practice Islam, i.e. Muslims, via a generalization that all Muslims are extreme and dangerous. This is objectively false, and systemic Islamophobia needs to stop.
  However, this here is cause for concern, as there are a few extreme fundamentalist Muslims calling for the death of people over a burned book. That's not Islamophobia, that's a fear response to a direct, physical threat.
  Someone else in the thread mentioned some Americans calling for the death of anyone who burns the American flag. This is also extremely concerning.
- It IS islamophobia if you think all or most Muslims are like that. Do you think DJ Khaled or Dave Chappelle wants to kill you?
  And that’s NOT what Islam says.
  
  No that would be called muslimophobia
  
  sahih hadeeth say who ever disrespects quran/mohammad/allah kill him.
- thank you.

Fuck religion. you can pray to your sky God however you want but you don't get to decide for others what they can or can't do on their time

At some point we will just have to burn all the religious text and be done with it.
- Burn every science book and eventually they'll be exactly rewritten. Burn every religious story and they're gone forever.

I wonder why they are so afraid of the religion of peace?
- Yeah, all major religions are known for their very level-headed followers. No need to worry.
  
  That didn't really answer my question. Whataboutism.
- Muslims allowing islam to be known as 'the religion of peace' is one of the biggest doublespeaky manipulations around. They're technically correct, because they're referring to this line from the quran: "There will be peace on earth when there is no more al-fitnah". Al-fitnah means 'disbelief' so what they're saying is, there WILL be peace on earth, once we've converted everyone to our religion (forcibly or otherwise).
  I'm a bookworm, read voraciously, and as a sad lonely young teen who struggled to understand religious people, decided to read all the books. Hindu vedas; Christian old / new testament; Buddhist dhamapada; quran, and the hadith. Islam is an awful religion when taken literally, and the few islamic sects who are genuinely peaceful (eg ahmadi, sufi) are not even considered 'real muslims' by the more popular interpretations (eg sunni / shia / salafi).
  Don't rely on out-of-context quotes from dodgy rightwingers, don't rely on out-of-context explanations from muslims seeking to proselytise and make excuses, EVERYONE should read it for themselves so you're debating on solid ground with facts on your side. My absolute favourite line from these particular religious texts is when Mohammed says he wants another wife to his (iirc final wife) Aisha. Aisha says something like, you've already had the maximum number of wives; Mo falls into a trance then says, don't worry, I just spoke to god and he says it's fine. She replies "Oh, how your god rushes to fulfil your desires". Even she knew it was a crock of shit.
- It's not the religion they're worried about, it's the adherents. And if you're wondering why that is, there's two towers in New York that used to be there and aren't anymore.
  
  Gotcha the ideas are perfect, it is the people who are wrong. Odd how often that is claimed
  
  Yeah and it's not the gun I'm worried about, it's the bullets
  Same thing man, same thing. Control them both.

Religious texts are just about the only books I support burning, especially if the intent is to piss off the morons that think the books are true.
How can I make a donation to buy more korans and kerosene for them?

I hope their counter-terror operations are successful and end with a deficit of bullets.

They go and cry about muslim being intolerant yet they go and burn their sacred book which is considered the holiest thing for them.
Am I the only one seeing the problem here?
- Genuinely unsure if satirical or not...
- There's millions of those "sacred books" being printed by machines. Just go buy another one. They're dirt cheap too.
- Its not like burning the quran is part of everyday life in society. More like they deliberate do it because they know its offensive for muslims, so its an obvious provocation disguised as freedom of expression. Im atheist btw and i despise religion in general, but sad to see reason being downvoted. Sorry i can't back you up on the comment sections, i cant afford to be judged right now.
  
  Thanks for your comment, glad to see some people are still reasonable.
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- I honestly don't understand why you're being downvoted. Book burning is probably one of the worst steps you can take towards being intolerant without directly harming people. There had to be so many more options that could've been taken that would've de-escalated the situation in a way that didn't involve destruction.
  
  I think it's the fact that true tolerance would allow the burning of any book. Not all copies, not banning it from circulation, but the burning of an individual symbol as a means of expressing an idea is perfectly fine in most Americans' view. I share that view, I understand the nuance of the situation at hand, I'm aware the quaran is a holy book and that it sends a strong message.
  But so does burning the American flag, as a symbol, to show that America's ideals and values are dead or do not apply for the people doing the burning. American flag burning was done with the intent to express that the symbol of freedom and equality that it was pushed as was not at all representative of the America those people were experiencing. America has a problem with nationalism, so much so they tossed "under god" in a "non-mandatory" (socially reinforced) pledge of allegiance you say every day before school starts all the way until you graduate. You can imagine burning the flag pissed those nationalists off too, but their vitriol and frustration is useless and unwarranted.
  If you say the culture of Islam, or the culture of the people who see that book as their most holy symbol and use it to justify violence, is unwelcome in your nation, as an individual, that's completely fine to me. I don't love the blanket statement, but I do love that you can express it without fear of retaliation from your government and with the knowledge that you are as safe expressing that belief as you are expressing one more widely agreed upon.
  If I disagree with you, I should debate you, i should seek to educate you, or be louder than you with my actions and words. That's not the way of every place in the world, but it is the way of any civilized people. Any who condone violence in response, even provoked violence, are closer to animals than their fellow man.

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