Fediverse situation right now

- They already have a platform It's called 4chan
  
  And Voat and Gab and Truth

- Yeah extreme ideologies are bad, but instead of talking left vs right, which is pointless as you are trying to comp genocidal maniacs against eachother. They are all totalitarian evil, we put extra labels on so we can pick sides.
  how about we consider why groups want control over your life. The left cares for society and group rights, the right cares for individual rights. I could argue the value of both, but we are overpopulated and the desires of the individual shouldn't be valued greater than that of a society, our environment, quality of life, right to health and security from violence and economic greed. Im not saying the left is good at what they do but at least they try to manage the mess instead of arrogantly assuming market forces, churches or the metaphysical can or will solve peoples unnecessary suffering.
- Neither of those are denied by anyone here, shoo

Nazi leemings.... Go fuck yourself!
- Some real controversial hot take right here
  
  It was a play on "nazi punks fuck off" and "Russian Warship, Go Fuck Yourself". But have it you're way.

Just let them have their of naziverse. I don't want to see it.
- I’m a bit out of loop, are there more info to share about?
  
  There's a lemmy server where a lot of alt-right and more extreme views have sub-lemmys. It got defederated by Lemmy.World and others and now they're upset that most people on other servers don't get to see their hate-speech.

They probably won’t ever stay fully out, since anyone can make an instance, just up to mods and individuals to block them and not federate with obvious natzi communities.
- Utopia has always been a process, never a destination. You will never be able to elect humans that will act in your interests forever. You must stay alert and aware of the happenings around you and constantly advocate for yourself and those who can't.

Keep the Nazis out. with flames and force is necessary. Both online & in real life.

The tankies have been here for a while so it's only a matter of time.
- Tankies aren't nearly as harmful as Nazis, they don't make communities unsafe. You can disagree with a tankie and that's the end of it. With Nazis, it's completely different.
  
  it's all socialism to me

Is there a running list of bigot instances that I can block?
- There is! Browse by instances like lemmy.blahaj.zone/instances, beehaw.org/instances or lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances. They have the most up to date list of people-commonly-disagreed-with-by-lefties. You can start blocking right away 😊
- Ah yes, block entire instances en masse without the hassle of actually making the decision yourself, that would be nice
  
  Nazi's deserve to be named, shamed, and ignored.
  
  I run my own instance so that i can take a little control over the drivel that scrolls past my eyes. Far right ideologies don't deserve a platform or an audience.
  
  Blocking instances actually makes the lives of instance admins a lot easier. It not only reduces a whole chunk of problematic content for you to moderate, but it also encourages Nazis to go to the servers you block instead of yours. Nazis can't subscribe to the subs they want to on your server, and they get banned if they say Nazi shit, so they just leave and go to a Nazi server instead. It's like fly paper for Nazis lol.
  As a Mastodon admin with a few thousand users, I rarely see Nazi content that I have to moderate. And that's because when I started I spent an enormous amount of time sifting through every server we federated with and blocking all of the Nazis and all the pedos and all the TERFs. And because I did that at the start, I only get maybe 10 reports a week, none of them are content that would traumatize me (almost always spam), and I also helped the servers that now use my list to do the same.
  Blocking instances not only makes it easier for me to do my job, it encourages other admins to not tolerate these kinds of behaviors as well. Because if they don't moderate well, that attracts Nazis, and then we have to limit or ban them because we're volunteers. So everyone just ends up blocking the shittiest servers and moderates their user base well. It's a win/win for everyone.
  Nazis are not entitled to access to minorities on my server. TERFs are not entitled to access to trans users on my server. Assholes are not entitled to have access to an audience on my server. There are tons of white supremacists or TERFs or other assholes hosting plenty of other servers where they can go and do that. But I don't want that on servers I host and my users don't want that on servers I host. If you truly believe free speech is such a big fucking deal, then you are welcome to leave and join one of those rotting servers as well. See how fun that is for you and how long it takes for you to come crawling back.

Who knew distributed social media would be such a good idea
- Put all the Nazis in one Instance. Then, defederate them.
  
  Provide the URL to the hate crimes division and the January 6th panel
  
  Love to "defederate" Nazis
  :)

Lemmy in!

some of you need to stop calling everything you don't like a nazi
- Pretty bold comment considering many of the people are actual swastika-waving Nazis. Stop defending them.
  
  i don't think any of you have so much as peeked over there
- what a weird thing to say

Good
Fuck the nazis

I hope the nazis do stay out because I was really excited for voat for about a day until it became nazi town
- You can't hope they stay out. Admins and moderators have to take active steps to push them out. I want to give some kudos to lemmy.world for getting out in front of this, and I want to name and shame sh.itjust.works for having a vote in their agora community almost a week ago and then proceeding to do nothing
  
  Moderating is time consuming, tedious and done by volunteers. I'm not surprised that they get overrun after the latest influx of users.
- I received a modest amount of downvotes on the big R for saying something similar.
  I also commented (well, asked a rhetorical question but definitely got answers) here a couple of days ago that places that claim to be for free thought and expression tend to be full of either harmful garbage or nonsense conspiracy theories.
  All it's going to take is one instance that isn't defederated with a jailbait community or someone with a poorly trained militia planning an act of terrorism to get Lemmy or kbin painted with the "great place for pedos" or "Nazi haven" brush.
  
  I think the thing that makes lemmy and kbin difficult concepts for normies will also protect it from blanket association with nazis if one instance is infiltrated. Most people don't fully understand the distinction between the shared protocol and a site's domain.
  People might think "lemmy is full of nazis", but it won't mean anything to them if I say i'm hanging out on midwest.social. To them it'll just sound like a regional blog website.

Fuck fascism mkay

A lot of people seem to just call people they've barely interacted with a nazi wtf

as a jewish person.. all i have to say is what the fuc
- There's not really nazis, at least not many. People on the internet view right leaning views as literal nazis these days.
  
  Found the Nazi. Get the fuck out of here.
  
  Except they are
- It's the internet, there's Nazis everywhere. I got to see how they work (on the internet) because they converted a long time acquaintance of mine. I'm going to start working on some mod tools to help shut their bullshit down once work stops being a shitnado.
  
  Sorry to hear about your acquaintance. Fuck nazi and thank you we need people to make sure we keep them the fuck out. Fuck nazi and I believe it's only time punching someone wouldn't be considered violent since to me a nazi isn't a person our worth being considered human. But fucking monsters.

- Huge drama surrounding instances that have a major far-right presence and certain instances cutting connections (defederating), while others aren't (staying federated).
  
  I like how someone put it in another thread. From the "defederaters," The argument most seen is: "if there's a nazi at the table and you say nothing, it's a table full of nazis." The most common counter-argument is "it's actually like a stadium full of people with some nazi's in the corner jerking themselves off." From the "federators," the most common argument is "defederation defeats decentralization," and the most common counter to this is simply: "fuck off nazi!"
  I find the whole situation quite extraordinary to see unfold and be a part of.

the comments, man. you people are a bunch of maoists

Left wingers and calling everyone that slightly disagrees with them "literally hitler" name a better duo.
- "We want to kill minorities" is not a difference of opinion.
- Allowing actual Nazis to have a platform in a public space is Nazism.
  You’re just salty because you don’t like when people call you out on it. Just go join their instance and be among your peers and leave everyone else alone.
  
  Allowing actual Nazis to have a platform in a public space is Nazism.
  Exaclty. "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.” - Desmond Tutu

Lol thats perfect. Link for the uninitiated:
https://lemmy.world/post/694810

Except instead of Nazis (?!?!) it's corporations.
- That's frequently the same thing.
  
  Seriously, it's ridiculous. Why is nobody holding Google accountable for the Holocaust?

Out of the loop. Can someone give me a short explanation?
- Sorry for hijacking your comment, it's the first one that popped up for me when I opened this thread.
  If you're just discovering this post, trust me, it's not worth reading. The comments are 50% nazis and 50% morons. There is no discourse ahead, only name calling, denouncing, whataboutism, and some really fucked up thoughts and people. You don't need this in your day. You already know that nazis are bad, and nazis aren't the only bad people. Go to illegallysmolcats instead
- Like always, the intolerant people expect to be tolerated, and when they aren't they bitch about free speech
- The instance at exploding-heads.com got defederated from by a lot of instances and among them the largest one lemmy.world
  It happened due to them allowing hatespeech like "tranny faggot". Top post now is complaining about how the rest is sensitive libs and in the same breath call "Joe Biden is a pedo". They're throwing a tantrum about how they're getting cancelled because they can't smell the shit under their own shoe.
  
  It's not necessary to repeat the hate speech they got defederated over, you can just say "transphobic/homophobic slurs".

activitypub is bad and dumb