As a Canadian, it's a western thing in general (though the US is the most glaring example of it). An increasing number of people know better, and I do think reddit is full of CIA- but the honest truth also is that there's also a sizable portion, or perhaps even a dominant majority (it becomes difficult to tell sometimes) who really believe all this shit.
Western chauvinism is a hell of a drug. Think about how white-worshipping, west-idealizing people are, then consider how bad those who are actually white and western and who buy into all of it just as badly or worse are- that'll give you an idea. And it gets worse- a sizable amount of even the occasionally dissenting voices are still part of this mentality in varying degrees, since it crosses the partisan divide.
The most productive comments i saw that weren't "yeah, Ukraine is losing" were "i love the pettiness of only using lowercase for russia". They have nothing.
Lmao, Avdeevka was a full on route, soldiers were abandonig their positions contrary to their orders. This could end in a few months, and at this rate could even be a few weeks (tho I doubt so but you never know)
War for territory is the western idea of the war in Ukraine, but it is clearly and explicitly contradictory to what the russian government has stated as official goals and strategy. Small territorial gains? Yes, but the russian objective is "demilitarization" and the only way to demilitarize a state that is unwilling to do it is to destroy their army and their ability to fight. Even the 3rd assault brigade, what's left of the infamous Azov Battalion, refused their orders to counter attack on the flanks of Avdeevka and there are reports and rumors that Zelensky might move /legally/politically against them. If even the most fanatical of their forces refuse to fight, then the rest of the army might stop following orders soon enough. That is a recipe for disaster in Ukraine, and at the least expected moment it all can get out of control for the government in Kiev. Not to mention that Zelensky's term is about to end, and who knows what will happen after that, since the country is really in no position to hold elections.
They do realize if WW3 does happen they will be drafted, right? Like, they’re frothing at the mouth for it but I don’t think they know they themselves will be fed into the war machine.
It's always everyone else that will be affected. Never them. This is what individualism has done to them. They have no concept of being part of society. They are separated from it and the only way to get through to them that they are all part of the same society is to bash them in the head with it.
It’s just so hard to empathize with such a narrow point of view. These people are too old to lack such critical awareness that other human beings roam this earth with full lives and dreams. I just don’t get it. I don’t think I will ever understand redditors…
usians have this vision of a war that it is like going safari with the boys, going to some "shithole country" to shot some <third worlder racial slur>, crack open a cold one and have a bbq + manifest destiny that they are god's unmatched army and they win easily and doesn't cross their minds that war can happen in the home land, always on the attack.
It's like being a monarchist who works in retail. They think they'll be king when their revolution happens, completely oblivious to their predetermined role as serf.
In the early days of WWI soldiers were leaving for the front, cheering from festively decorated railway cars. They would go and win glory and prove their manhood at the battlefield and they would all be home by Christmas.
I keep thinking things will be different. But after so many wars, truly nothing has changed. They’ll only begin to regret pushing for WW3 once they’re drafted, and even then I doubt it’ll really do much to sway their opinion. They probably won’t change until they see their buddies blown to bits in front of their eyes.
i interact with usians and western european on a daily basis in discord servers, they have been calling for it since 2022 when pro ukraine propaganda started to loose steam.
Wasn't one of the Ukrainian news outlets called Putin propaganda because they started to report losses? Redditors went full on "I only want to see the positive news" lol
I gotta double- no triple down on the Pro-Russia stance now that Zelenskyy went to Israel and Russia called for Israel to ceasefire. Pro Russia as in them winning Donbas. The country of Russia has a long way to go, but NATO needs a swift kick to the nads every now and then
Hell, I hope Russia liberates as far as Kiev. Whatever remains is guaranteed to be a Nazi-infested, thoroughly Blackrock-owned hellhole, after all- frankly, the Ukranians should be fighting to join Russia if they know what's good for them.