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Largest Covid vaccine study finds links to health conditions

timesofindia.indiatimes.com Largest Covid vaccine study finds links to health conditions | - Times of India

Science News: The largest global vaccine safety study to date found links between Covid vaccines and small increases in neurological, blood, and heart-related conditions. Guillain-Barre syndrome, myocarditis, and cerebral venous sinus thrombosis were among the conditions identified. Learn more about...

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1y ago

Largest Covid vaccine study finds links to health conditions

timesofindia.indiatimes.com /home/science/largest-covid-vaccine-study-finds-links-to-health-conditions/articleshow/107807806.cms

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small increases
rare events
small proportion
small risk
- the COVID vaccines cause a needle size hole to form on the arm and sometimes the administering nurse will be a little grouchy if they haven't had their coffee yet ahhh
  
  Excellent point, huge risk of both!

After looking at this study,
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X24001270?via%3Dihub
It’s basically saying that some incredibly rare conditions become slightly more common, but still incredibly rare.
And although not in the abstract, it’s worth noting that many of these are conditions that have links or potential links to COVID 19 infections.
Avoiding a COVID vaccine for the risks is like choosing to drive cross country instead of fly. Sure, you won’t get in a plane crash, but your risk went way up.

Very rare, no new info, known for a very long time, accepted risks, easy to treat
- no new info
  If there was no new info, why the Vaccine journal accepted to publish the article?
  The new info, is it's less rare than they thought. The numbers are multiplied by 3.
  easy to treat
  Guillain-Barre syndrome can take a year to treat, and blood coat in the brain can cause strokes. Those aren't always easy to treat and recover.

Jesus what irresponsible weirdo wrote this headline.
Known risks, tiny stat.
The largest study ever done on any food for example will find a "link to health conditions" (for the tiny proportion of people who are allergic to it.).

Title made me wary that this could be antivax BS, but article is decent and writes that vaccines offer substantial benefits for nearly all recipients, though nothing in life is truly risk-free and naturally adverse events can rarely occur.
With that said, I would be very careful with this messaging because humans are bad at probability. The title seems unnecessarily ominous IMHO.
I don't see anything new presented here. It's been known for a long time that there are vanishingly small risks involved in vaccination.
- Not to mention that the OG study doesn’t really extricate COVID vaccine effects from COVID effects. They’re just comparing to pre-COVID baselines, which does not adequately address the impacts of COVID on those same conditions.

TL;DR? “More than 13.5 billion doses of Covid vaccines have been administered globally over the past three years, saving over 1 million lives in Europe alone. Still, a small proportion of people immunized were injured by the shots, stoking debate about their benefits versus harms.”
The article is light on the actual numbers of the 13 rare health conditions that were the focus of the study, but mention is made of 240 patients with “exercise intolerance, excessive fatigue, numbness and “brain fog” out of a study sample size of 99M.
I leave you to draw your own conclusions.
- Bet they were already suffering from long covid and blamed the symptoms on the vaccine.
  
  i noticed a lot of symptoms of long covid are the same symptoms of being generally out of shape.
  "After covid, i got winded after going up the stairs!!"

Better source, the actual study:
https://www.globalvaccinedatanetwork.org/node/981
I haven’t gone through it yet.

Not an antivax article exactly, but the title alone will create concerns. Whilst it mentions 1m saved lives, it doesn't identify the significant number who avoided long term harms resulting from COVID infection. Finally, the article doesn't even attempt to advise the tiny proportion of people who develop the adverse effects.

I used to teach medical statistics to post grad doctors in the UK. One of my examples was the drop in HRT use in the 90s with UK newspapers reporting a doubling in cancer risk. That was also a relative risk, with absolute risk remaining extremely low. Both the all cause mortality and the absolute measures for quality of life were such that more women suffered and died as a result of the headline scare story.
- Yeah, looking at the article, the actual risk is hundreds of cases out of 99 million vaccinated individuals. That's such a small amount I can't even imagine how this is something I need to know or care about.
- @Gazumi I had a dispiriting conversation with someone recently where they (elderly, obese) said that they were going to stop using artificial sweeteners because they'd seen the headline about the WHO not recommending them because of possible links to diabetes and heart issues.
  This person had decided to switch back to using actual sugar and HFCS to avoid these risks.
  Nothing I said (or tried to provide) would change their mind because I am not a headline.

Pre-covid, I got sick following open heart surgery and ended up with a case of pericarditis.
It felt like I was being stabbed right in the goddamned heart.
Doc explained it can happen as a result of any infection and it would get better on its own. Had me taking ibuprofen for it.
So you're saying simulating an infection via vaccine can also cause it? (shocked pikachu)

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