lemmy.world blocked the largest piracy community in all of lemmy
lemmy.world blocked the largest piracy community in all of lemmy
cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/2881638
The largest piracy community is hosted over at !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
lemmy.world has blocked it. It appears to have also blocked !piracy@lemmy.ml.
If this is a problem for you, I'd suggest migrating accounts using LASIM to an instance that doesn't block it (such as lemm.ee).
edit:
An official announcement has been made:
Might be worth remembering here that Lemmy instances, including .world are hosted by regular people. Not massive multinational companies worth billions who can engage the best legal talent around.
If Hollywood comes after a Lemmy instance, Holywood have a huge legal team and endless money. The Lemmy instance has some guy. They could quite literally destroy a persons life. With that in mind, I don't blame any instance owners for erring on the side of taking a stance that won't put them in the legal firing line.
Some of the comments in here are a fucking disgrace and a disappointment.
I just shut down my own self-hosted instance the other week because of legal concerns. Caching anything and everything that gets pushed to my server and basically having to put all my faith in other admins taking care of illegal stuff in a timely manner was stressful and not worth the risk. And that was a solo instance!
It’s only a matter of time until lawyers backed by millions of dollar come knocking on the door of lemmy admins and I can’t fault lw for being pro-active. Whether or not it’s legal in your jurisdiction to host communities like this doesn’t matter at all if you’re not the one with a name attached to the server. Even wrongful legal claims by copyright holders are costly and time intensive to fight back against.
Why should a private person who hosts an instance for thousands of users for free subject themselves to such a risk?
It's unfortunate, but it's kinda understandable why they chose to do so. The admins are just a bunch of regular people, they may not have the financial security to risk the legal issues that could come from having any sort of piracy related content.
I guess I'll just be using my alt acc for piracy stuff.
Situations like these are the strength of the fediverse. Move your account to an instance that shares your values or doesn't care about stuff like this.
Maybe you shouldn't even have had your account on the largest server to begin with?
Edit: Didn't mean to ridicule any of you all. I based my comment on my experience when I signed up. At that time there were plenty of instances to pick from and getting approved at my instance of choice was very quick. My bad.
I'm late to comment, so I may be typing into the void.
I understand the admin's decision to limit their exposure to legal risk. I had similar experiences as a small business owner and you would be surprised how quickly most people's idealism is tempered by the risk of potential legal action. It's totally possible to believe strongly in the legality of something and its benefit to society (in this case piracy) and still choose to limit your own legal exposure. As far as I know, none of us paid to be here, so the polite thing to do is say "thank you for hosting us" and move on if it's not your thing (or just make a second account).
I believe our current copyright/intellectual property scheme is broken at best, and designed to fuck us out of every bit of culture that has ever existed, at worst. Piracy exists because the system is broken and the industry is entrenched and refuses to adapt to customer demands. It screws music fans, artists, and probably the individual low-level employees of many music industry companies and organizations.
Ok ... do people not think that lawyers send out DMCA takedown notices and coerce police into taking into custody entire servers? Because lawyers send out DMCA takedown notices and coerce police into taking into custody entire servers...
I guess it would be Hetzner instances, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32470266, and it would be Hetzner who would get contacted and potentially shut down lemmy.world in their case. Let's not even talk about the people launching DDoS'es against lemmy.world and how they could abuse it similarly.
It seems lemmy.world has only blocked communities, not entire servers in this case. I mean, get behind all the comments calling for a migration to "avoid instances moderated by clowns" and migrate all you want (wishing migrating was actually possible instead of simply creating new users), but I personally will stay in the server who has a code of conduct that considers legal concerns and doesn't think that just because they are on the internet in a less popular medium that will eventually grow that it will get ignored.
I'll just move if it gets taken down for incompetence or bogus reasons anyway, because all the dumb drama doesn't really matter in the fediverse.
piracy is the only remaining counter force to the full blown mega corp monopolies that have full price control and right now showing us that with their way above inflation extraction antics.
It’s sad it has come to this but given failure to regulate and the concentration and capture of almost everything by these companies rent seeking everyone really requires some kind of counterbalance.
I’m guessing LW is also prepping for a shareholder sellout down the road.
The nice thing about federation is that we can all go fuck ourselves and die alone on our personal private servers under a bridge.
Turns out finding a good lemmy instance is a huge pain in the ass. I started on lemmy.ml but it was full of tankies so I moved to lemmy.world now they banned piracy so I'm on lemm.ee which gets a lot of crap from tankies still, not as bad as lemmy.ml but it's really fucking annoying. Like I'm not interested in Russian propaganda or how the soviet union's genocide was justified actually, please give the user a way to block all tankies and nazies and stop blocking things globally for everyone.
Eh, so what? Migrate to another instance.
Always relevant, and will be for any large Lemmy server.
Begun, the Lemmy Wars have.
I just created an account on lemm.ee - thanks for the info.
I love all the salty comments about having to move. Its piracy, it will always be removed if it becomes too popular. This is how it has always been and always will be. No one is obligated to feed you free shit without any effort on your part. They take one place down and you move on. Either get used to it or start paying for services.
What a disappointment.
Time to make an alt account asap
Well glad I had already started changing instances.
Oh no, anyway. The community itself is still available for the adventurous.
I don’t care about the piracy community but people are complaining about they having to create multiple accounts and saying Lemmy will never reach critical mass like this…
But why would we want to reach critical mass? I don’t want to sound like a gatekeeper but growing just for the sake of growing is never been good on anything.
Specially as Lemmy is still an alpha software. And people are still figuring out how is the better way to moderate ourselves instead of waiting to Big Corpo to do so.
This is part of being an early adopter. You give feedback, sometimes things don’t go your way, other they hear you out.
I’m loving the experience so far. The Fediverse still is not mature enough (we block fast) but we are still figuring things out.
Kind of a shitty move really
Glad I host my own instance so I get to choose what I get to see.
Looks like I need a 5th login.
Yay Lemmy.world, you kicked yourself in the dick, congrats.
To be fair, I don't know where world is hosted by at least according to my local law here they'd be right: linking to piracy can get you in trouble.
Now usually you can safely ignore this still, sure. Unless you're large. And with world being so big I could see them being the very first target someone would drag in front of a court if they are in a place where such laws exist. It sounds stupid, but I can understand why the devs would not want to go through that.
While I generally have a positive view of digital piracy (digital archiving), this is ultimately going to happen to any social media site after it gets big enough, it should be seen as a good thing for Lemmy (growing pains). Either a site gets in trouble and/or shut down for opening itself up to piracy or it proactively bans piracy. Unless Lemmy gets full-time staff to actively moderate and keep an eye out for pirated content in a community dedicated to piracy. It probably couldn’t handle such controversial community that might bring the ire of the Entertainment Industrial Complex on them.
Digital Piracy will continue and we’ll likely see them spin up their own “Pirate Bay” instance somewhere else. Lemmy.world will almost certainly defederate from them, but they’ll be around to those that know where to look, just like pirated content in general.
Wow fuck that.
I'm going to home on lemmy.today or lemmy.sdf.org.
@AnimusAstralis The #fediverse does not decide unanimously. What seperates it from #corponet is, it empowering to switch instances if you have a problem with an instances (Through the means of communicating across instances and being able to easily migrate an account) Through competition only instances which have the support of their users wil prevail
As @mojo put it "Stop centralizing ! " Your undeminig the very thing that keeps us from being depended on the mercy of admins
That's one way to tell people to switch instances before it's too late. Thanks for making this public.
Looks politically motivated. Has Piraattipuolue commented?
The morrons defending this decition are hilarious, not even fucking Reddut took down the piracy community and there was no legal request or anything, just a bigot who got banned from the main piracy server retaliating!
Reaction there: oh no... Anyway
Welp, this is the thing that got me to get rid of my lemmy.world account and move to lemm.ee. There were other issues I was able to overlook, but I need a community willing to stand up to laws that go against the interests of the people.
Oh man. It's not like I can't understand the logic behind it, but active niche communities are the one thing lemmy really lacks as of right now, and piracy was one of the earliest and biggest exceptions to that. What a shame.
Fact is, they have good reasons to. Lemmy likely was threatened by a larger industry that could've thrown millions of dollars around in a court to get Lemmy taken down. The guys running Lemmy wouldn't have enough money to win a lawsuit, the website could easily be taken down by a larger entity. When it comes to losing the community or blocking a couple communities, it's an easy choice. In summary, they're just trying to save the website by avoiding future lawsuits, and these communities still exist but can't be accessed on Lemmy itself.
It's weird seeing otherwise normal working class people rush to defend admins, moderators, governments and authorities all the time in situations like this. I'm imagining some college kids working at starbucks or grocery stores picking up their phone in between customers posting replies championing copyright law. It's embarrassing
Ridiculous. My alt has already become my main due to the outages. Now I’m never going back.
Thanks for posting this so I knew to subscribe to the community on a different instance!
At the moment clicking on the links of the defedereted instances opens the instance in the browser.
I hope clients/apps like Sync/Connect/Summit/Infinity etc give us the feature to browse these defedereted instances even if we logged into lemmy.world
I know you can't post/comment/save, but for many, ability to browse would be enough.
A toggle in the settings for this feature would be enough.
Nice. It was inevitable. A general lemmy instance needs to protect itself.
And here I am.
It was inevitable and it's not their fault. Because of how the Fediverse works it means they're storing all content from those communities on their servers too. This means they're storing piracy content and can be subject to a takedown.
We knew larger instances would defederate from piracy communities at some point, don't take it out on the admins.
Wait... What does that mean for me, whose account is on lemmy.dbzer0.com ? Legitimate question, I'm not totally familiar with how everything works yet
Come on over to our canadian instance at lemmy.ca We accept everybody and are kind with everyone!
Lmao these idiots are on a power trip already. Running the biggest instance in the ground is a great way to start it all off. Fucking idiots.
This is why it's called sailing the seven seas or something
My personal opinion prefer to keep certain special interests communities less exposed to general public, ie fight club rule 1.
Is blocking a community the right approach? I think so, from the perspective of a general populous instance.
I say, good for them. Nothing good will come from them keeping that path open. As I already have all piracy instances blocked- it’s of no consequence to me, but if lemmy.world sees this a necessary to their survival/success, good for them.
And that’s also the beauty of lemmy… if people don’t like how an instance is run, they can find another. There are plenty that will work for whatever you’re into. Wether it’s piracy, or any other illegal act.
Well, I was already planning to spin up my own instance. Guess this is as good of motivation as I needed.
Join an NSFW instance. You do not have to subscribe to NSFW content if you don't want to.
So I've seen u/loudWaterEnjoyer suggest the Divisions by zero instance, which I applied for (be sure to follow the vetting rules!), and u/Historical_General mentioned and suggested the lemm.ee and lemmy.ml instances, but it appears that the .ml TLD throws a "registration_closed" error...
Anybody have any other suggestions for backups and secondary accounts, that aren't
lemmy.dbzer0.com ,
lemm.ee , or
lemmy.ml
??I am glad I chose an instance with a lower userbase
It's reasons like these that I like to create 2-4 different accounts on different instances for all around the fediverse , so that if one fails I've got a backup, but also so I can "pick and choose" which pros and cons of each instance I like.
It's obviously more to keep track of, but I encourage others to do the same: create like 3 different accounts on different instances, and toggle through them whenever you need something that one offers that another doesn't.
How does this work? I thought only users can block specific communities. My account is on Lemmy.world, but if I'm reading community on lemmy.dbzer0.com, that stuff is stored their server, so why does lemmy.world lock me out of reading it?
well lemmy.blahaj.zone doesn't block it (not sponsored ad)
Not following any communities like that, BUT thank you for pointing to that tool! Just used it to create my lemme.ee profile 😊 super neat!
Well, sucks to suck I guess.
Am I glad that I just switched instance anyway, I only subscribed to one of those previously but now I will subscribe to all three just because I can!
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Is lemmy.ml good?
People gonna look out for their legal selves. Can't be mad about that. I moved to avoid the occasional downtimes. Extra benefit that monero doesn't block these communities. I know they're hosted in Germany so maybe that's the difference?
Well there's a "darkweb version of Reddit" called DREAD But then again we all know how most people are "Afraid" of the DarkWeb because of media propaganda. Additionally, you'll have to endure reading DREAD while it's in light-mode (if you use the "Safest" setting in TOR)
Yeah sorry, hate to say it but admen got trolled pretty hard on this one.
Will we still have access to other similar communities in federated instances or are those blocked too to lemmy.world users?
I mean I get it, it’s a business move. I’ll just make an account there and continue to use it. Pirates sail the seas with their own ship and crew - they’re used to this sort of thing 🏴☠️
Has this been reversed?
Edit: Imagine my entire account being banned from lemmy.world for disagreeing with an option that was REVERSED after public backlash. LOL! Enjoy your propaganda cesspool lemmy.world users
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I need help. Can someone log in to lemmy dbzer0? I cant, every time I try I get a 400 bad request error.
Lmao removeds. I'm leaving
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What an absolutely cowardly move. It's one thing to not allow piracy on your own server, that's you're right, but to prevent your users from accessing communities on other servers? Way to give in to copyright trolls without even being asked. I would understand even if they received some kind of Cease and Desist. It doesn't seem like it, it seems like they're just willing sycophants who will probably federate with Meta at first opportunity.
I think that the ability for servers to defederate from each other is the most distasteful thing about Lemmy. I get it, admins need to be able to stop their users from being exposed to e.g. illegal content should another server they don't control allow it, but there's got to be a better way than this. The primary effect is going to be things like this, things like ideologically opposed servers blocking each other, things like Threads being blocked whenever it federates. We don't need a million little fragmented walled gardens.
I don't get it.... You can start 100 pirate instances if you want. Just not federate with Lemmy.world.
They should moove to burggit.moe lol they have a no DMCA takedown policy.
Lmao these idiots are on a power trip already. Running the biggest instance in the ground is a great way to start it all off. Fucking idiots.
Booo
WOW! Turns out lemmy.world is managed by even bigger dickheads than reddit. Fucking pussies.
Rule #1 say "Be respectful", but reading this kind of bullshit... How the f*ck you can be respectful with those...!?
Itt: children crying that something got blocked. They also don't know how lemmy works if they just bitch about where it's hosted.
Lemmy is mirrored with all federated instances
It's rule #1 on their rules page (bottom of page): https://lemmy.world/legal
I wouldn't expect to be able to use a general purpose server for sketchy content. Who would want that liability?
libs gonna lib.
That instance has been a shitshow with the arrival of a large amount of redditors and their "controversial but sensible classical liberal point of views" with strong opinions about women and people of color in general (but not in a racist way, I swear, more of a "race realism" sort of way).
It's illegal so of course they have to block it.
You can find pirated material on the web elsewhere so why is it important if it's on Lemmy or not?
Imagine if the idiotic media starts writing about Lemmy as a pirate network or something worse.
It's adult individuals running these servers, not companies. They would get punished in 2 seconds.
You want them to risk committing crimes for running a Lemmy instance?
If you want to downvote this, maybe you should run something illegal first in public and see how it goes.
Get over it. Maybe try paying for shit instead of stealing.