1y ago

‘It’s That Simple’: Mark Meckler Says The Only Way To Secure The Border Is By Invading Mexico

www.rightwingwatch.org ‘It’s That Simple’: Mark Meckler Says The Only Way To Secure The Border Is By Invading Mexico | Right Wing Watch

Mark Meckler is the president of the Convention of States Foundation and a leading proponent of the right-wing movement to get state legislatures to call for a dangerous Article V convention that will consider constitutional amendments to radically alter American government and society by making much of what the federal government now does unconstitutional.

“I don’t think there’s any way to solve this permanently without military action,” Meckler declared. “[We need a buffer zone] like the DMZ between the Koreas. It needs to be a kilometer of cleared territory that is a no man zone; you come in here and we believe you have hostile intent, we’re going to clear you out.”

“We need to exterminate the cartels and that means going into Mexico,” Meckler asserted. “Now people would say, ‘You’re violating a sovereign country’s territory.’ Well, Mexico is not a sovereign country any longer. Mexico is a failed narco state. The federal government is not in control of their military. The federal government is not in control of their police Their state governments are not, their local governments are not in control of their police forces. That is a failed narco-terrorist state and so we have to treat it as such.”

“To me, this is like Gaza. They’re invading our country. They’re invading our country every day. They’re killing our people, and we have to go in and use maximum force to oust them and create a buffer zone along the border. If we do that, we’ll have border security. It’s that simple.”

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1y ago

‘It’s That Simple’: Mark Meckler Says The Only Way To Secure The Border Is By Invading Mexico

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Hey look! More mirroring of Nazi forces cling Germany! Fucking GOP
- Don't forget the Wall and no man's land between two countries where guards are authorized to shoot to kill!

Did that mf say kilometer? He’s clearly a spy from another country.
- We must secure the warm water port and potato croplands for vodk- er um I mean american french fried potatoes
- From North Korea, definitely.

The logic of this rhetoric is essentially the same as the logic of modern Russia- "we need a buffer zone", and the target country "is not a country" and it's not genocide or imperialism when we have a reason to do it but we don't have a reason so we have to tell lies to convince our people that we do have one.

What a fucking idiotic war mongler. We should be strengthening our ties to Mexico not fucking starting a war.
- We pretty much are anyways. Alot of US manufacturing is already transitioning over to Mexico. I thought they even recently overtook, or are close to overtaking, China as one of our top trade partners. I think at some point the migration issue may solve itself and people will complain about Mexico taking all our jerbs.
- Strengthening ties to the Mexico government is pretty unpalatable given its failure to defeat cartels
  
  Cartels the US directly funds thanks to our insane puritanical response to drugs.

Sooo once the invasion is complete and the new southern border is with Guatemala, they're gonna want to invade them too because the migrants are coming from there? And go on and on to Hondura, Nicaragua, etc.
- The best place to stop is Panama. Then you'd have a very small land border and can concentrate all of your army stacks in one province.
  Source: played video games in the past
  
  Seems... Risky 🌝
  
  Source: played video games in the past
  Recommend me some titles!
  
  Bruh you can’t put all your stacks in a small easily encircled space like that! When’s the last time you tried to unite the Americas on HOI4
  
  Also source: Ron White, "Paying for the War."
- We won’t stop until those penguins surrender!
- I mean honestly it's immigration with extra steps for us and fewer steps for the migrants. But who are we kidding? These people are looking at the lack of public outrage regarding Gaza and 2 years of war in Ukraine, and they're thinking, "If no one cares about Russia or Israel, then it's not like they'll stop the US."

The War in Iraq lasted 8 years and cost over 1 trillion dollars.
So aside from the immense risk of starting a war with a nation right next door to you, ...aside from the fact that there would be no clear strategic objectives, it would also cost a fortune.
If the US wass really serious about supporting the Mexican government against the cartels, then they would start with increasing financial aid to said government. But these very same people would probably be against that idea.
- The War in Iraq lasted 8 years and cost over 1 trillion dollars.
  We invaded in 2003 and never really left. In fact, US military units in the country got hit by Iranian rockets just a few weeks ago. They're still costing money, btw.
  If the US wass really serious about supporting the Mexican government against the cartels
  The US isn't going to fight the cartels. The US loves the cartels. They get us all the drugs we consume and give us a lucrative market to sell our surplus small arms.
  
  The US loves the cartels. They get us all the drugs we consume and give us a lucrative market to sell our surplus small arms.
  Shipping powders back and forth
  Singin' black goes south and white comes north
  John Perry Barlow
- it would also cost a fortune.
  That's the point. Follow the money.
- Yeah, what's the endgame of invading? Make Mexico part of the US? Uh...aren't the racists going to have a problem with that?
  
  The endgame is extermination, always has been.

Earth. Hitler. 1938.
- Gaza 2006-present.

Or we could legalize drugs 'n shit and completely tank demand for cartel goods.
But nah they'd rather go full Russia on Mexico.
- Cuntservatives want an enemy they can whine about during election cycles, they don't want to solve the problem, they want to make the problem worse and worse until they get the excuse to declare martial law.
- Certain drugs like meth are actually harmful.
  
  Yes but if the government was able to provide a source of clean/safe drugs for addicts and help them break addiction the correct way with therapy and support instead of punitive prison… then maybe we’d have fewer addicts and therefore no cartel business
  
  No doubt, but also focusing on treatment and preventative measures like UBE and actual mental health care would massively reduce demand as well.
  
  Yup, and how great would it be if people who were addicted to them were able to get the help they need without fear of going to prison?
  
  Not as harmful as 40 years of destroying families and lives over dictating what we as adults are allowed to put in our body.
  Also: Alcohol is a LOT worse than meth, harm-wise. Long AND short term.
  I'm not advocating meth, that shit will addict you first hit and send your life into a spiral.
  But most 'meth damage' comes from a complete abandonment of personal hygiene and squalid living conditions, not the drug itself. I mean there's dirty meth that has additives that can fuck you up but chemically clean meth is pretty benign.

Why don't we just declare war on the entire world. Maybe then these shitbags will have the show they wanna watch.
- Let's give them the best seat in the house, then. Put em on the front lines.

Wouldn't it be easier to set up that "buffer zone" on land that's already under the control of the US?
- But how is the military industrial complex supposed to grab more money?
- Doesn't that border already have a buffer zone?
- Don't try bringing logic into this

best thing for Texas to do is secede so that Mexico can re-occupy it.. then the border becomes Oklahoma's problem, and Texas doesn't have to worry about it any more..

Just give them Mexico and they'll be appeased, they won't go to Guatemala next! There's no reason for them to keep going south, it's not like they've previously used their power to overthrow democratically elected leaders in central America before
This is the exact same logic used when Germany invaded Poland for fuck's sake. These dipshit aren't even original

Mark... how did that work for you the last time?
That's right... you fell down and broke your Alamo.
- Member when George Bush shut down the border completely and it only lasted 48 hrs before his phone was ringing off the hook with angry corporate farm owners????
  I member.

Tell me, Mark, was it that simple the day we marched into the Middle-East for over 20+ years before everything became undone in less than a week once we left? All of those billions and billions we've spent in that effort. Was it really that simple?
Nice hitler salute in the image, you fucking clown. (Even if it's not, I'll treat any gesture like that from a right-winger as an admission of nazism).

These people have no understanding of what a war with the Mexico cartels would look like.
People that think that Mexico will just roll out tanks. Not realizing that they would just attack our infrastructure and make it costly to move into Mexico
Political assassinations would be a monthly event. Mass shootings beyond the norm in America. Prices would shoot up. Drug epidemics would be in every major city as cartels would have to mass produce to fuel their war.
A war with Mexico is a war only weapon manufactures will win.
- That’s the point though… the GOP being able to enrich the MIC while killing brown people is all that gives them joy
  
  Enriching the what?

And the magas insist they have ideas worth listening to.

So, Unitedstateians are gonna help deal with crime but will plant something different to create problems for mexico and the other latin american countries like in the previous century?

Well here we go. This time next year they'll be finding yellow cake in Mexico City.
- There's lithium in them their hills.
  
  Eh, their ideology is enough. Especially since we've got more than enough lithium in the Salton Sea, which is already an environmental disaster zone.

It might be more cost effective to just buy Mexico.
New, much shorter border with Guatemala, ripe for wall building, if that's your jam.
No more worries about mexicans coming over the border to be in the US.
Additional domestic manufacturing, including ~30% rise in cars made in the US.
US police and national guard can act directly against gangs in Mexico state.
Ideally, infrastructure and policing investments lead to decline in northern migration, or equal and opposite migration south.
Seems doable, assuming they would sell, and might cost less than a war.
- Once we are in charge most of the manufacturing would leave. OSHA and work place regulations would make it too expensive and would move to another foreign nation again.
  
  Yeah, but it would take a few years, I imagine. I'm not really trying to make points that have long term good outcomes, but ones that a politician could make to justify the purchase. I think we're all aware that our elected officials don't give a shit about the long term outcomes.

This would be neither simple nor guarantee a secure border, but they don’t care. They just want a legal excuse to kill brown people.
- Ill-justified invasions in the name of "national protection" are the new hotness and they want their turn.

there's a lot less US politicians wanting a luxury war with mexico than there are people in mexico who will shoot back. One wonders if these dumbasses realize the ramifications of an unpopular, pointless war would mean for them if people realize this.

ok, well, lets roll that back a little bit.
Let's say we help mexico in getting rid of the cartels. And then mexico can actually deal with it's problems. Now we're getting somewhere.
Frankly, i think the only true border solution, is dissolution of the cartels, in whatever manner that happens to be. Then facilitating good relations with mexico, considering their place as a trade partner at the moment, that just seems universally beneficial.
- You know, because the only people crossing the border are Mexicans. And Mexican cartels have been the only driver of emigration.
  
  the cartels are a significant driver behind trafficking. It doesn't matter that it's only mexicans, it matters that the cartels have control over the border. As that's what allows them to traffic.
- We could end Cartels in a year by just decriminalizing all drugs. And there is evidence that this, accompanied by a comprehensive addiction recovery drive is actually MORE effective at reducing drug use than punishing addicts.
  But since Cruelty is the Point here in the U.S. for half the voting population don't see it happening any time soon.
  
  that is also a valid strategy, but there are complications to that of which i will not get into since that is beyond the point. Though that would really only remove the drug trade from the cartel, other crime, and various shenaniganry would still be up for the taking (they might even increase human trafficking)

Yeah, I figured republicans would come for their neighbours sooner or later; just figured it would be us for our water first.
- Huh. I never really thought of Scotland as a neighbor.
  
  Am I missing something? What makes you say Scotland? I assume they are referring to Canada.

This seems well thought out.

Wow, how do you even get more murican at this point? Honestly, i'm just impressed
and a nefarious solution to all America's problems has come to me - draft all your Republicans into the war they really want anyway! And then just leave em in mexico, without their trucks.

What if we take over Mexico and then make it part of the USA?
- With "New Mexico" already taken, I'm not sure that would work out.

Ah yes because a border with guatemala is so good. And mexico city would be the most civilized part of the us then.

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