looking for half-stable Linux distro
looking for half-stable Linux distro
Hello, i am currently looking for a Linux distribution with these criteria:
-it should be more or less stable, comparable to Ubuntu with or without LTS // -it should not be related to IBM to any way (so no fedora/redhat) // -it should not feature snaps (no Ubuntu or KDE neon) // -KDE plasma should be installable manually (best case even installed by default) // -no DIY Distros //
I've been thinking about using an immutable distro, but if anyone can recommend something to me, I'd be very grateful //
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Sounds like Debian is your answer.
Just to clarity the relationship between Red Hat, IBM, and Fedora, Fedora is only sponsored by Red Hat. They make all their own decisions, and while they receive financial support from Red Hat and Red Hat owns the Fedora trademark, their decisions and development are independent of Red Hat (and by extension IBM), with the single exception that they cannot risk violating the law (i.e. copyright infringement), else it risks Red Hat legal trouble (and Fedora would risk losing their sponsorship as a result). Red Hat benefits from Fedora's development by the community, given that Fedora is RHEL's upstream, hence why it continues to sponsor Fedora. But it isn't Red Hat that is in charge of Fedora's development, it's FESCo, which is entirely community elected, and does not stand for the interests of Red Hat, but rather for the interests of the community.
Eliminating Fedora from contention in that regard is essentially like eliminating Debian because you don't like Canonical, who makes Ubuntu, a downstream of Debian.
Add on top of that the fact that IBM and Red Hat are major contributors to the Linux kernel, and you absolutely cannot avoid connections to them while using Linux. I mean, that's quite frankly a ridiculous exclusion criteria in the context of Linux. If you're looking to avoid an operating system OWNED by Red Hat or IBM, then Fedora should not be included in that list. Neither of them have any say or pull in the development of Fedora, which is a completely community-driven project (no, owning the trademark doesn't change that fact; if Red Hat tried to take over, the Fedora community would simply fork the project, rebrand, and continue on their own). Besides, Red Hat has no interest in controlling Fedora, because it doesn't benefit them. Their only interest is in enterprise applications, which is not a good use case for Fedora. The only operating systems Red Hat actually has any control over are RHEL, CentOS, and any derivatives of those operating systems like Rocky Linux, Oracle Linux, and such (though Red Hat's control over derivatives was only the result of those projects being downstream, not actual ownership).
So with that in mind, I'd recommend the Fedora KDE spin if you want a normal, stable, snap-free, no DIY required distro with KDE, or if you want the immutable version, Fedora Kinoite is what you'd be looking for. And Fedora has the major advantage over Debian-based distros of actually receiving package and kernel updates regularly, so you can stay up to date and enjoy new features, all while maintaining stability.
Fedora Kinoite is absolutely the best immutable distro fitting your criteria. Anything else will have a much smaller community and less support as a result. rpm-ostree has great documentation, and all of the Fedora Atomic Spins have a huge userbase available in case you ever have questions.
I've been running Linux Mint Cinnamon for years. It's the stablest, most dependable distro I've ever run. I've installed it, updated it and major-version-upgraded it many times on many machines and it never broke.
It's basically Ubuntu with the features that make Ubuntu shite removed (basically Unity and snaps) and a no-nonsense, GTK-based Win95-like desktop environment tacked on.
-it should be more or less stable, comparable to Ubuntu with or without LTS
Ubuntu was based on Debian, which touts its stability
-it should not be related to IBM to any way (so no fedora/redhat)
Debian has no afiliation to IBM, they're not even loosely part of each others' "partners" programs
-it should not feature snaps (no Ubuntu or KDE neon)
Debian doesn't use snaps (welcome to the greener side of the fence btw, fuck snaps)
-KDE plasma should be installable manually (best case even installed by default)
Debian uses KDE as one of it's default install options when installing the OS, and it can be installed later with
tasksel(or by just getting all the packages if you want to do it the hard way)-no DIY Distros
Debian has a barebones headless option, but the installer defaults (which come with the whole DE and oyher convenienve packages) are pretty user-friendly
In summary, I have no fucking clue what OS you should use.
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Opensuse. It comes in different flavors including tumbleweed (rolling but tested), slowroll (slower rolling), leap (stable), and micro / leap micro (immutable). It is not owned or funded by redhat although it does use rpm. Its installer is the best I have ever seen for managing software before installation and will let you select KDE.
You can't avoid IBM/RedHat - they contribute to the kernel and many, many other parts of Linux eg systemd. I have no idea what you mean by DIY distros, what a peculiar adjective in this context. Linux itself is DIY. Life is DIY.
That said, voidlinux is an independent distro without systemd or snaps based on runit for init and xbps for package management. It's also a STABLE rolling release.
Linux Mint is hands down the most stable linux distro out there and has been for years. zero tinkering needed. everything just runs no questions asked.
My only grief with Mint is the most recent update where they changed the software centee and now it's slowed to a crawl. Why they would do this is anyones guess.
I'm recommending MX until such time that Mint sort their crap out - unfortunately I doubt they will, seeing as this change of software center was to resolve some other issues they (but not is end users) though they had.
MX is basically debian but with a lot of improvements. Sure it might have a bit of a learning curve for those primarily used to Ubuntu based systems, but it beats running any of the other Ubuntu distros by miles since they all struggle with the crap Ubuntu puts on top of Debian.
Manjaro is another great option if you don't want to deal with debian based stuff, and KDE is the default DE with most stuff under reasonable control. You can also use all the Arch resources if you ever run into trouble so it's a lot less of a headache than what I've experienced running OpenSUSE (i want to love OpenSUSE but I just can't).
Get a Debian and break it a leg.
I think you should go with OpenSuse
Debian testing or nixos
Have you tried Mint? It's super stable. It's the least DIY distro ever. You CAN use snaps, but why would anyone want to? I believe there's an image that comes with KDE, but Cinnamon is a great desktop.
Try OpenSuse Tumbleweed. Very stable from my experience, ships with KDE that can be installed during the installer, and its file system is BTRFS which automatically takes snapshots so if a system update ever breaks your install which is not common on OpenSuse, you can just roll it back to an older snapshot and boom your system is all good again.
OpenSUSE is good. If corporate scares you off, there's OpenMandriva Lx or Mageia.
OpenSuse seems like it would meet your needs. OpenSuse Kalpa might be one to look into since it's immutable and features KDE Plasma
I would recommend Fedora Kinoite.
Yes, you said no RedHat stuff, but Fedora is 100% community run.Especially when you use the Kinoite-build from universal-blue.org, everything should work ootb and is very reliable, while also being semi-stable in terms of update frequency
OpenSUSE TW
it should be more or less stable, comparable to Ubuntu with or without LTS
It’s very stable and I’ve never had issues
it should not be related to IBM to any way (so no fedora/redhat)
It’s supported
no DIY Distros
It’s developed by SUSE.
it should not feature snaps (no Ubuntu or KDE neon)
It uses flatpaks
KDE plasma should be installable manually (best case even installed by default)
OpenSUSE is one of the few distributions that uses KDE Plasma by default.
Debian? Just make sure you use backports, containers or flatpak if you want newer software.
OpenSUSE. snapshots build in. nVidia hosts its own Leap or Tumbleweed GPU repo you can add for trouble fee GPU use. GUI for almoat all config tasks you might normally do at the CLI. Stable...and rollbacks ahould you make a mistake
Mint LMDE Kde flavor
Opensuse Slowroll
There are only 3 options I can immediately think of, for you:
Debian
OpenSUSE (Leap)
Slackware
They are ordered from most to least likely to recommend for your criteria i.e I recommend Debian, alternatively Leap, and if you don't like either you can try Slackware, but Slackware is closer to a DIY distro.
Two come to mind. Have fun distro hopping :)
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https://distrowatch.com/spiral (Debian based)
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https://distrowatch.com/opensuse (Has a rolling release choice)
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When you start getting super specific about which distro you want, I think you should start looking towards a DIY distro.
Regarding your post formatting, you need to put a space between the bullet point and the first character of the line:
- Like this (hit view source/view markdown on my comment to see)
- yet another vote for Debian
- or if you’re going immutable (“atomic” is a better name) then wait for Vanilla OS’s Orchid to be released (currently in Beta) – a little more user-friendly than NixOS (although that will depend on the documentation)
What about Pop!_OS? It fits all the criteria. It's an Ubuntu distro by System76 (known for their computers that run Linux) that foregoes Snaps for Flatpaks, so you get Ubuntu's reliability/stability without the Snaps. It does default to its own spin on GNOME, however you can install an alternative desktop environment just fine.
kde neon don't use snaps
Debian stable.
Linux mint. It's based on Ubuntu but they also snapped out the snaps.
@Luffy879 If someone comes from Windows and has little experience with Linux Mint LTS with XFCE4.
https://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=313
With MX Linux (Debian based) you can create a live ISO with all packages and flat packs and then create a live USB stick with persistence (requires double memory on the Linux partition For the ISO)
https://mxlinux.org/
you can make installs from the usb after creating it.
Distrochooser
https://distrochooser.de/Sorry, the closest i came up aren't good solution but may help in your search.
- Vanilla OS 2 (based on Debian) but it is under Gnome DE and in beta phase. Very begginer friendly. Maybe once it go out from beta it will supports other DE ? So check it around 6th month later or 1 year ?
But the problem is that their community is very small. If you want something stable, it's better to look for bigger community so you can benefit from their support and user's problems
There is fedora kinoite but you don't want anything related to IBM. That was the best compromise i can found.
- NixOS but i don't know it. I'm affraid it will be a DIY distro at the beggining with the config file. But it will probably meet all your criterias.
Or the same OS from my steamdeck :
- Steam OS ? It's an immutable OS based on Arch and support KDE by default. Full support of flatpaks. Only downside, i dunno if it supports other machines than the steamdeck. Nor if it uses the latest linux kernel. Maybe some variants ?
Debian Stable as base OS, then activate unstable repos in a sandbox/container. Maybe even Distrobox for newer Apps.
yes Debian, install latest MX Linux (23.2 AHS) and enjoy it, it's a great distro, up to date, well maintained. There is a KDE version where you can install latest kernel from their AHS repo (6.6.11 as time of writing)
disable repositories, updates https://github.com/aarnt/octopi, https://ctlos.github.io/, https://endeavouros.com/.
Just use Fedora. It's very up to date and it's upgrades are flawless.
My record is 15 upgrades (before getting a new system). It's even been fine through Intel -> AMD CPU swaps.
If Debian is too DIY for you, then you could try LMDE with the BTRFS filesystem and Timeshift for maximum safety and far less DIY.
Omg you just described slackware. Join us!
An immutable distro with a heavily customized KDE desktop is Nitrux. Check it out at nxos.org
Same recommendation as usual from me :) pepparmint OS , Debian base extra on top
I would recommend void, alpine (kde plasma auto installer may still be broken for some users, works for me tho, also musl so if you need appimages or some very specific applications don't use it.), alpaquita (much stable alpine with glibc if you need appimages), slackware (current only, it is stable rolling, and their point release features very old kernel and packages so I wouldn't recommend it, paldo (stable rolling, gnome by default but plasma installable.), gentoo (if you have time to compile, why not it as stable as rolling can get without it being openSUSE), openSUSE (easiest rpm based (Oracle fork) but still IBM code nonetheless)
debian (mx-linux has a kde version if you want less hasle then pure debian) or opensuse leap on the "stable" side, opensuse tumbleweed if you want more recent packages (i've never had it destroy itself like arch, its been very stable for a rolling distro)
Solus. Snaps optional.
- Siduction
- openSUSE
Psst... Try nixos 😹
Slackware current.
Seems that Slackware is what you are looking for.
I recommend you Fedora.