dogshit ideology tier list

Incredibly funny to me that anarcho-feminism and queer anarchism are in different tiers. Like yeah dude let's start ranking liberatory struggles good idea, tell me which types of anti racism are "very cool" and which are just "aight" next
- Love to rank peoples very real struggles and traumas.
- One of them is too close to real though, which is scary

there's no way I could ever know what all those flags mean also why are they polandballs
- there's no way I could ever know what all those flags mean also why are they polandballs
  Probably because a map-game brained 15 year old made this.
  
  Probably because a map-game brained ~~15 year old~~ unpaid bureau intern made this.
- That's actually the flag of the Ba'ath Party in Iraq and Syria. Both it and the Palestinian flag are based on the earlier Arab Revolt flag.
  (Not excusing this tierlist at all though, it's still awful)
  
  oh whoops nvm

97% of socialists who have ever existed are in the green verbose box

"I like socialism until it actually exists": a tierlist.
- Amazing how every choice on this chart boils down to this, virtually no exception

I love how Marxism Leninism and "Stalinism" are listed as separate ideologies for some reason.
- The liberal understanding of ML is vibes based
- Marxist-Leninist with Stalinist characteristics

Those ideologies that turned previously backwater countries into superpowers who became the first to visit space?
Sorry sweaty, they actually harmed those counties 💅
- Funniest part is how the dichotomy here is "harmed" vs. "never touched at all". Hmmm I wonder what their agenda is....

god damn the marketplace of ideology is looking well stocked today
- But like a capitalist supermarket, it's full of the same product repackaged 15 times.

It's actually sad to me how low Ho Chi Minh thought is.
Vietnam resisted US imperialism and won. They haven't been the target of such a focused propaganda campaign like DPRK or China. There's no reason to believe they've done anything wrong. No atrocity propaganda comes out of Vietnam. They mind their own fucking business and try to help their people.
And still, STILL it's not good enough for western leftists. It's fucking pathetic.
- well the thing is the fact that they successfully fought the us means they MUST have done some great evil, right?
- No atrocity propaganda comes out of Vietnam.
  Clearly someone hasn't seen Rambo II
- 100% i'm used to all the shit the other tendencies gets but i have no clue how someone who believes themselves to be on the left could possibly hate Uncle Ho.

Most of these aren't real ideologies but just being an anarchist and also another thing
- yeah i can't imagine being an anarchist who places any importance at all in your tendency label. like do you have a body of theory that you value? no not a page on the /r/PCM wiki, i mean something that someone who wanted to drive a stake through the heart of the state wrote.
- If your ideology doesn't exist in the real world, it can't do anything bad or tankie to ruin it.

harmful to the global south
Chavismo
Maoism
Ba'athism
Juche
Ho Chi Mihn Thought
Harm is when you improve the country and the living conditions
- Love how all these are all unique and localized reponses from the global south yet they are damaging somehow lol. Something something civilizing mission.
- I thought Tito was generally pretty well liked, too?

Making a tier list of how effectively different ideologies have been able to improve material conditions, but making it upside down on purpose.
- social democracy in the same tier as marxism-leninism
  
  Juche, national bolshevism, social democracy, they're basically the same thing with different names.
  
  Ya, I knew I was being overly broad in that assessment when I noticed that.
  It's still mostly accurate besides a few
  outliers like that.
- putting all the ideologies into "liberalism" tier

4 tiers of "Hasn't made a material impact on the world" and one tier of "Has made a material impact on the world"
I'd move Anarcho-communism/syndicalism down to the bottom tier because they also had material impact on world, while moving nazbol, "unconditional accelerationism" and... I think it says Ujaman? The green one on the very berry bottom. No offense but I haven't heard of it. Anyways, move those three out of there, and lastly merge Leninism, Marxism-Leninism, and Stalinism into one, because thats just repeating yourself three times.
- I think it says Ujaman? The green one on the very berry bottom. No offense but I haven't heard of it.
  It's Ujamaa, the guiding ideology of Tanzania under Nyerere.
  
  Oh that's really neat actually. It can stay in the bottom row, though a shame that Tanzania acts as a U.S military outpost on the eastern coast of Africa.

Platformism: good
Leninism, MLism, etc.: counter-revolutionary
Council communism: aite
Titoism: counter-revolutionary
Liberation theology: aite
Leninism, MLism etc: counter-revolutionary
Egoism, anti-civ: not counter-revolutionary
Make it make sense...
Also this person hasn't read any Ho Chi Minh thought, nor Nyerere or Juche theory, I would bet money on this.
- What's a good source for Juche?
  
  I'd go to the stuff published by Foreign Languages on Juche and what Kim Il-Sung et al. have written tbh.
  I'm far from an expert but that's where you'll find the primary sources in their own terms.
- "Egoism" is somehow the least surprising choice to include, LMAO

stop trying to make forms of analysis into tendencies reddit. intersectionality is not a fucking political program

Good = things that now exist largely as quirky choices in the ideology section of the supermarket. Bad = anything that has actually managed to win any power
Why is anarcho-bidenism not included in the list btw?

how is "post civ" very cool but "anarcho primitivism" no bueno?
aren't they the same thing?
edit: and "anti civ"is in the aite row.
- "some people on twitter said that anarcho primitivism is based, but some other people said it's equivalent to fascism. i cannot be bothered to find out what their arguments actually were, and i have never actually read any critiques of civilization because my interest in the topic extends to finding a new polandball guy to draw, so i'll uncritically download and repeat both opinions as my own."
- anti/post "civ" is a different critique from the primitivist one, its not about technology but like the ideological/cultural construction of "civilisation" and its opposite "uncivilized".
  i've read some okay takes on it, but its not like a full political programme. not that that stops these reddit idiots trying to invent tendencies, lol

i don't care this is incoherent hogwash it still HURTS to be put on the level of social democrats. brutal insult

my brain is melting out my fuckin ears

I used to think like this. I really did. Anarcho-Communism was my gateway. You can only really think this way if you don't read any older theory though.
- I'm definitely an anarchist by disposition and theory, but (like most actual anarchists) I recognize the contributions that vanguard MLs have made/will make, and am happy to work with them. The strong walls between the "ideologies" is mostly an Internet thing, in my experience. The biggest impact it has in the real world is in determining which affinity group you tend to gravitate toward, but at the end of the day we all absolutely can and do work together.
  
  Yeah the real world tends to be less stark in regards to this stuff and more complicated based on situation. The Venezuelan socialists are all sorts of leftists, including a lot of rural indigenous people living in small horizontal communes. I frequently see the EZLN claimed as anarchist, and while they do promote anarchist theory, they're also collaborators with Cuba.
  Internet arguments are often stuck in the 1930s, back when socialism was still trying to get off the ground in the first place.

New ideology on display here - Western Burger Thought. It's anarchism with Burger American characteristics, which boils down to the belief that since you've never experienced or seen a good leader wield the power of the state for the liberation of the working class, then it must not be possible. Ergo, the power of institutions is the only enemy of the working class.

wait we can do this? BRB I'm gonna go do a tier list about which trees make the best lumber despite knowing next to nothing about milling and curing wood. Then I'm gonna do a tier list of all the anime I haven't watched based off vibes I get from what people who don't like anime have said.

This image is a bit crusty, hard to read.
- sorry, this is what it looked like when i found it and i'm not looking for the original
  
  Yeah I kinda regret reading this, sectarianism is lame
  
  cursing you with a link to the original, where it was tailor made by some breadtuber
  
  You should have spared our eyes and added a few extra layers of toasty artifacting

damn shame what internet """anarchists""" do to the good name of cool irl anarchists
- irl anarchists don't agree with MLs either. People on this site love adding "internet" or "online" before "anarchist" to excuse blatant sectarianism
  
  I know, I'm talking specifically about making fuckin polandball tierlists about it
- Maybe where you're at is where they are logging on from? If MLs can make common cause with Islamicists for the sake of anticolonial struggle, anarchists should be able to tolerate MLs for the purpose of opposing their much more present common enemy. The basis of "big tent" theory is that groups should mutually tolerate each other, and groups that cannot do not receive the same protections. Your argument is essentially "all real anarchists are hopelessly sectarian, so speaking as though the non-sectarian ones are the preferable ones is itself sectarian". If you were right -- and you demonstrably aren't -- all you'd be arguing for is that anarchists cannot function in a big tent.
  CC: @kleeon@hexbear.net
  
  or even tolerate those views.
  There are plenty of MLs in the IWW comrade, this isn't even close to an accurate take. Touch grass.