Slightly different approaches

Of all the things you could reasonably criticize the US over, wheelchair accessibility ain't one of them. Especially compared to Europe.
- I thought the idea was that Republicans are actively working on destroying what has been working fine and is benefitting lots of people, not just on preventing more progress.
  
  Are you referring to something specific?
  
  As if Democrats don't do the exact same thing in lock step. Interesting where your focus lies however. It's helpful though because it indicates your bias.
- It's purposefully hyperbolic to illustrate a point. You think that Finland is seriously making all ice cream free?
  I would not be the least bit surprised if all the Abbotts and Thomases and Trumps and Desantises (Desanti?) announced tomorrow that they would no longer be supporting the ADA's immoral drain on ~~commercial profits~~ governmental budgets.
  And before someone points it out, gutting a system that he has personally benefited from to fuck over Texans is exactly the kind of thing Abbott would do.
  
  They would never make the fish flavored ice cream free. The economy would collapse.
  
  And before someone points it out, gutting a system that he has personally benefited from to fuck over Texans is exactly the kind of thing Abbott would do.
  Not would, he has. After the tree crippled him, he sued for his wealth. Then he outlawed the same type of payouts for the exact type of lawsuits he benefited from. Definition of pulling the ladder up behind you.
  
  My point is that it's not a good illustration.
  Just read through some of the responses I've gotten. Some people think it's a good illustration because it's very plausible. Some because it's not at all plausible.
  I'm saying it's not a good illustration because it's not at all plausible.
- On the other hand, disallowin wheelchair ramps because there are not mentioned in the Bible would be a very American move.
  
  Equal access to every building? Sounds like a commie plot.
  
  A very southern American move
  
  Americans are not the caricatures of evil and malice you seem to think we are.
- Especially compared to Europe?
  What? Europe very sound protection for the disabled. Putside of historical buildings built before disability care you won't find better access anywhere.
  I get America is pretty good too, but your comment makes it sound like Europe is a nightmare for the disabled.
  
  Not sure about how good or bad it is in the US, but in the Netherlands (a place that is known for good infrastructure) it's definitely not perfect.
  I never realised until we got a baby and I started walking with a stroler. Way too often the sidewalk is inaccessible because of cars or bicycles. Also lots of places without ramps or elevators.
  
  America has way more wheelchair ramps due to the critically obese population, so the statement is still mostly true.
  
  Europe very sound protection for the disabled. Putside of historical buildings built before disability care you won't find better access anywhere.
  But that's the point: Most buildings were built before disability care, and haven't been upgraded.* Think about your favorite restaurant, bar, kebab place, corner shop etc. – I don't think any of mine are wheelchair accessible. Also good luck taking a train in Germany, where many platforms aren't wheelchair accessible and they might or might not have a lift to get you into the train.
  The Americans with Disabilites Act (ADA) is miles ahead of any legal framework that I'm aware of in Europe. The US is a broken country in many ways, but that doesn't mean that literally anything and everything has to be worse than in glorious Europe.
  *The former is true for the US too, but the ADA still required many of them to make reasonable accomodations.
  
  I get that Europe is pretty good too, but the OP makes it sound like America is a nightmare for the disabled.
  You do see my point, you just don't like it.
- You think this tweet is bout wheelchair accesibility??
  
  I get what the tweet is trying to say. What I'm saying is that wheelchair accessibility is a particularly bad example for that point.
- huh? america is absolute garbage for wheelchair access, the ADA is absolutely not sufficient
  fuckin have fun navigating the average suburb with a wheelchair, you can't even walk to the store in most places
  
  you can't even walk to the store in most places
  Or roll into the store.
  
  you can't even walk to the store in most places
  I’d imagine walking to the store in a wheelchair to be incredibly difficult.
  
  Google tells me that the US is ranked #5 in the world behind Japan, Canada, Germany, and the Netherlands.
  
  In most of America you can't walk to the store even if you don't use a wheelchair. At my old place I could see a grocery store from my house, but it was on the other side of a limited access road, I had to go 1.5miles to a pedestrian overpass to be able to get to it making it a 6 mile walk to get 100 yards.
- Lmao yes, we are one of the best in that regard.
  Thank you American Disability Act!!
- To be fair a good chunk of the buildings in Europe are older than america.
  New builds tend to take differently able people in mind these days
  
  Europe didn't have a law about it until 2016.

Hey now, the ADA is one of the few things we've got going for us
- And all it took was paraplegics crawling up the steps of the capitol in protest.
  
  Is.. is that actually what happened? My younger self might have assumed you were exaggerating, but my current self has seen too much to assume anything.
- ...for now.
- For now
- It always pisses my wife off when I park in a "handicapped" spot that is really just an old spot with badly faded paint.
  For a handicapped parking spot to actually be a handicapped parking spot, you need both the pavement painting and the sign.
  I would like to note that the spots I'm talking about aren't even the ones close to the building (which is probably why they took down the sign), and there are actual spots closer to the door.
  
  Hey there, sometimes-wheelchair-user here. Afaik the law is also the same where I live, the spot has to have a sign. Here, when there's a spot with just faded paint, it usually just means that the handicap spot got moved somewhere else. The only thing I'd suggest is if you don't already, just check and make sure that there is a spot somewhere else that does have a sign. If there isn't, it's probably because the owner just didn't mark the spot properly. In that case, it's best to leave it open for those who need it, even though it wouldn't technically be against the law to park there.
  I'm not accusing you of anything, just putting this out there in case the situation comes up. Cheers!

Idk, man. Finland has been posting some Ls recently. The Orpo Cabinet is all about those tax cuts, business-friendly deregulations, big new military spending budgets, and tighter restrictions on immigration.
Basically doing Reaganism, Finnish style.
- I wonder why they feel like they need to spend money on their military
  
  I think they're planning a big LAN Party. COD and Rainbow 6, and CS2, of course.
  
  Yes I wonder why
  
  Probably prepping for WW3
- big new military spending budgets
  Considering what is going on, that's an L?
  tighter restrictions on immigration.
  Ditto
  
  Ditto
  Sort of the joke in all this. Drop a few bombs. Create a bunch of new refugees. Then close your borders.
- Dumbass American me periodically thought "the Orpo" cabinet was from Ikea or something. (Yes I know thats Sweden but again I'm a dumbass American) 🙃

Actually, America is one of the most disabled-friendly country in the world when it comes to access struggles like wheelchair ramps and elevators

Joke's on you, they're just spreading some flavour on all of the snow and it's all salty licorice.
- Don't eat the yellow one though
- 🎶Watch out where the huskies go 🎶

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Also he is great on Twitter, but usually deletes his posts after they get over x amount of views/shares, because he isn't into going viral.
Also, please bring back Jesse vs cancer, it's been over a year guy.
- https://pca.st/podcast/d043e380-30c3-012f-feca-525400c11844
  I've not watched the show yet, but here's the link I just dug up for myself, for anyone's convenience

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The news is always like:
"America has banned wheelchair ramps because they weren't in the Bible. Finland has made ice cream free."

Communist yeti-Mongols.

Me bout to move to Finland.
- Don't. They have two weird languages

At least we aren't executing depressed people like Canada is doing
- You just make guns easily accessible and then blame the suicides on godlessness.
- There is much to say about reporting biases, but in this case you're touching one of the most humane services only the most progressive countries have touched on. The ability to pass away in a respectful way on your own terms. No one is being forced or pressured, that's a blatant lie many media channels are responsible for.
  You don't choose to be born, if you feel your life is unbearable/complete you should be able to step out of it without having to be kept alive by pills and/or treatments while slowly deteriorating mentally/physically. And don't get me started on the uncertain outcome and dramatic outcome of suicide, which is usually an insane 'counter-argument' that gets proposed as available option.
  Sadly many countries have not yet reached that level of sympathy, mainly because of religious intervention. Which is exactly the point of this post.
- Country says it is legal to drink water.
  "Country is executing people by drowning!"
  I'm assuming even the people who agree with you hate the way you're approaching this. I hope you're just a troll, because the alternative is that you're an idiot.
- At least?
  
  Look up medically assisted in dieing or MAID

- Yeah Finland always had it easy, nothing bad ever happened there for generations!
  
  That’s because even the snow speaks Finnish.
  
  Yeah, like a fucking bloody civil war with these people in same wavelength.
  
  This but a little bit unironically. They and their Scandinavian neighbors went unaligned during the Cold War and reaped an enormous peace dividend.
  Now that the country is getting sucked into the Ukraine-Russia mess, they're pivoting towards domestic spending cuts and tighter immigration rules and a big new military budget.
- This is a profoundly racist sentiment. There is nothing special about Nordics. They're just people from a place. There's nothing about being born somewhere that makes you vibe with people from that place and agree on everything. Ask the Baltics or the Middle East.
  
  It's the American right wing way of convincing the population that 1: you'll never have peace with a mixed population and 2: we can never have the nice things other countries have because we're a mixed population.
  They get to keep the status quo of "everything gets worse so businesses owners make more" and they get to use the racist dog whistles to keep those racist asshats on their side by "proving" race mixing makes things worse...
  It works because people don't really think about what's being said. :(
- America also has a lot people who have lived here for generations too, at least long enough generationally to not particularly matter much any more. That's not something particularly unique to Finland.
  America just more uniquely treats some people much worse than others. For example parts of my family came to the US as immigrants around the turn of the 1900s and it took a while for italians (who at the time were the "dirty brown people bringing drugs and crime to our streets") to gain "white people" status around the 1970s. I have friends who's families have family trees much longer rooted in America, but have historically been treated a lot worse than I or my parents ever have even into the present day.
- Careful, you might attract racist dogs with that whistling
- Yeah, same wavelength, right, there was bloody civil war in Finland just bit over 100 years ago. Whites (the right) and reds (the left), with 10 000 executions on losing side.
- what about Estonia