1y ago

The beginning of civilization

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We were pack hunters and lived in societies way before evolving into modern humans.
- Right! Has no one paid attention to chimpanzees, baboons, or other primates? Recognizing those like yourself and working together is baked in. Even in species that are even farther away from us, in an evolution sense, we see cooperation.
  
  Other primates form tribes and are extremely tribal and go to war with each other, so we also see that too.
- Modern technological human history is only about a hundred years ..... we were cavemen and acting like scared children for about 50,000 years before and like frightened monkeys for 2 million years before that ... we may have landed on the moon but we are closer to our ancient ancestors than to any futuristic highly evolved human society.
  We're more like cavemen with nuclear weapons.

No.
This is a load of shit. Why it has up votes blows my mind.
Do some reading or watching of hunter gatherer societies and you'll see lots of group survival activities. Teamwork in hunts, in preserving food, in crafting tools, and making shelter.
If we were this self-centered, we wouldn't have such advanced communication, which is how we were able to do all those group activities.
Survival of the fittest is survival of those that cooperate.
- Why it has up votes blows my mind.
  Because it's funny? Honestly why your comment is so highly upvoted is blowing my mind, although I mean you no ill-will by that.
  
  Its part of the lemmy meta-game at this point is to take a joke super seriously and go on a psudo-intellectual rant about how the contents of the joke are the sum of everything wrong with humanity. Everyone needs their 5 minutes on the high horse
  
  It's not even funny. It's just stupid.
  
  Honestly why your comment is so highly upvoted is blowing my mind, although I mean you no ill-will by that.
  Ironically, both can be right, upvote wise.
- It's a comic strip, nobody is looking for historical accuracy here. The interaction is funny, that's it.
- I agree, this is a load of shit. How do we know cavemen communicate in "good enough English" for us to understand?
  
  And the dude on the left is just so clean shaven. Honestly I can't believe everyone's falling for this
- It's a comic about cavemen. It can be entertaining and interesting without being a complete representation of early human society. That said afaik there is evidence people in prehistory killed each other a lot.
- So let me get this straight your angry that this comic about cave men learning that being selfish doesn't work. Has people that don't understand that being selfish doesn't work.
- I kind of read it more as the cavemen slowly coming to realize that they are both better off with mutual co-operation rather than that they are better off by simply being greedy, because the risk of the greed was too big. It was in their best self-interest to work with one another, i.e. they were both self-centered, and were still able to co-operate. Sort of some selfish gene type stuff, I guess.
  
  It's so funny to me (in the positive way!) that your comment actually transforms this comic into a piece of art by giving it a social commentary (and by interpreting its meaning). And by making it art, you basically give the best counterpoint against "it's not historically accurate" .
  
  How is the one with the meat better off? He should have just merc'd the asshole that showed up demanding shit from him.
- Survival of the fittest is survival of those that cooperate
  The question nobody ever asks about survival of the fittest is what actually makes someone fit to survive?
  
  That for nature to decide!
  Today: Be faster than your prey!
  Tomorrow: Have endothermic heat regulation so that you survive the asteroid impact that's going to blot out the sun!
  
  Natural selection "asks" this question all the time. What you see around you are the different answers ;)
  
  Adaptability. Adapt or die.
- I don't doubt that some small (or not?) percentage of the population do think and act and vote this way.
  The rest of us allow them to exist and breed and it will be the end of our species eventually.
- Have you seen Trump?
- They went from threatening to kill each other to sharing food, then contemplating trading more food in promise of later trades. This is a message of progress and cooperation. Extrapolating this forward, I have no doubt that this is the groundwork for the teamwork you describe. Any hesitancy along the way seems like no big deal to me.
- Tbf if you think each person here represents their own tribe, it's not a farfetched story. Tribal warfare happens all the time.
- It's normal for males, even in social species, to bully food from members weaker than them. Sharing food is a sign of accepting a lower status and avoiding conflict.
  
  Got a source?

Brevity is the soul of wit.
This comic has 20 panels.
- This is like TV bro chill
- Oh I dunno. You should take a look at Sir Humphrey's monologues some time.
- That's why all the funny movies are no more than five minutes long
  
  Find me a five minute long joke or a feature length movie with only one joke in it.
  It shouldn't take 20 panels to tell a joke.

These are the types that went on to work for wall street.

this is so 'murican it hurts lol
like genuine American cringe
you guys should try building a real society instead of just hating and murdering all day long
- Yeah, not like all those countries with peaceful histories like...um...little help here?
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- Just carrying on the European tradition
- I'm sorry but how is this extremely amarican. Like the Japanese also assist echother the Russians assist echother. I'm sure people in China and north Korea have friends that assist echother.

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