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Tech workers react to UPS drivers landing a $170,000 a year package with a mixture of anger and admiration

Tech workers react to UPS drivers landing a $170,000 a year package with a mixture of anger and admiration::Some tech workers questioned whether UPS drivers deserved high pay — others jumped in to note the importance of the jobs and harsh working conditions.

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  • Pushing tens of pounds around in the heat everyday is hard, expecially inside a van without AC.

    Let's just hope tech workers will be smart enough to unionize and organize like the UPS Chads did.

    • It's a good objective, but it would take a lot to make it happen. It's significantly more challenging for tech workers to effectively unionize en masse for several reasons:

      • Tech isn't monopsonistic, or even close to it; there isn't a single large employer... even the biggest tech companies employ only a relatively small fraction of the tech workforce. That means separate unionization efforts at thousands of big companies, not at one.
      • Tech job functions are much more widely varied than "delivery driver"; job responsibilities differ greatly, complexity and education requirements differ greatly, workplace expectations differ greatly ... think of the difference between help desk, front end dev, network security engineering, data science and DBA. Collective bargaining is harder the more varied the needs of the collective are.
      • Job mobility is really high in the tech sector ... in other words, tech employees (by and large) have access to many prospective employers (especially with the prevalence of remote work), and tech employers to a wide geographic pool of talent. That means if your San Francisco office seems on the path to unionization, you can shift work to your Chennai office.
      • It also means that, when the working conditions at a tech company suck, a lot of tech workers can easily jump ship. It's hard to get a union going when your voters can easily quit and go work someplace nicer, rather than take the more difficult path of staying and trying to force your employer to improve.

      Again, I think highly of unions and would really like to see more effective unionization efforts in tech -- I just want folks to go into it eyes wide open and intelligently, vs throwing up their hands and saying, "Why don't tech workers unionize?"

      • Yea i understand, for reference my father works and worked his whole life in IT, my grandma worked as union rep and I'm interested in both worlds, I get that the struggle is real, the sector is young. Even just 30 years ago there was no IT market, for reference the transport industry is as old as time and yet this historic contract was won in 2023 AD, we just gotta push and organize.

  • Complaining about this is dumb. Someone else’s gain isn’t your loss. Everyone outside the top tier earners should be paid more. Period. I’m happy a union had the national stage representing UPS workers and showed why unions are important.

  • This is a little misleading. It's $170k in pay and benefits, not just salary. Still, UPS drivers deserve it and this will make everyone's experience with UPS so much better.

  • They earn every dollar because I would nope the fuck out of there so fast

    • yep

      I’ll take my lower salary to sit in my home office with central air

      I wouldn’t last a day as a driver with their expectations and the need to move/lift heavy packages in the heat

  • As someone in tech who also has a friend that works for UPS, this is amazing for them! Anything that can improve their lives is a win. UPS people who incredibly hard (regardless of how much shit I give my friend when UPS does something silly with my deliveries)

  • I work in tech and have enjoyed good salaries, I wish everyone was so fortunate.

    As for myself, it would actually be a huge relief to know that there are many career options for me that paid just as well, because sometimes I really want to do something else. If wages had grown fairly, then a lot more people would be making 100,000+.

  • This reminds me of what happened at my last job towards the end of the lockdown. Previously, you started at a certain wage and increased a specific amount every 500ish hours, up to a limit. The last "raise" was only like 4 cents, but you still had to work the extra 500ish hours to get it.

    Well, the company decided that they weren't paying enough to be competitive, so they suddenly raised everyone to the top rate. This put people who just started their very first job at the same pay rate as the people who had been there for multiple years. Their "solution" was to give the long term employees a one off, taxed, check for $200. To say that people were angry would be an understatement.

    Personally, I think they should have just increased everyone across the board, especially after previously bragging about making record profits multiple years in a row.

    IMO, when someone else makes more, it gives me room to also argue for more. Otherwise, why not go to another company that will pay it? Getting angry at the guy with the raise won't give you one. Inflation will still happen.

  • Yeah but have you sat in a UPS truck even it's parked? It just beeps non stop.

  • Oh... Cool... We get it - So you're saying fuck the bosses, right?

  • The port workers in Vancouver BC also just landed a good deal after striking for a little bit.

    I can imagine that UPS drivers would have a lot of leverage since UPS would suffer massively if they couldn't deliver packages.

    Westjet union also struck a new deal recently. I think it was something like 30% increase, captains making in neighbourhood of 300k.

    I'm definitely very interested in joining a labour union for my next job. Tech workers should be looking to unionize.

    I'm not sure tech workers could do UPS jobs or UPS workers could do tech jobs. Different types of people. I think some of the frustration could come from the fact that one requires advanced education. Ideally we're all paid 'enough' and then some are paid more/less depending on skill. Tech workers on average might be better, but it's still not enough in high COLAs to live in comfortable apartment and raise a family without stressing about money.

  • I've been in tech for 3 decades now...and I have nothing but applause for UPS drivers landing this package.

    Why would tech workers have a problem with this? From my perspective, that's just one more industry I can consider hopping to if my employer doesn't start getting their shit together when it comes to compensation packages. The more choices available to tech workers, then less beholden they are to their own employers, so this is a win for tech workers also.

    UPS drivers getting this deal is better for everyone, in every industry.

  • Points from the article:

    could get $170,000 in pay and benefits in five years' time in a new contract.

    "This is disappointing, how is possible that a driver makes much more than average Engineer in R&D?" "This is disappointing, how is possible that an average Engineer in R&D makes much less than a driver?"

    It is important to note that the $170,000 figure represents the entire value of the UPS package, including benefits and does not represent the base salary.

    Despite some tech workers' resentment, many workers pointed out UPS drivers work under difficult conditions.

    "I'd love for you to meet my dad who has delivered for UPS for over 35 years, hauls 100s of packages in the 105+ degree Texas heat, is literally Santa Claus in Dec, and does it for 9+ hours a day at 67 yo,"

  • Worked in Ed-Tech making less than teachers while at the same time seeing that when the network went down so did the majority of teachers' ability to teach. Didn't make me mad that the person with a Masters made more than the person with an A+. Also spoke to a former tech who, in six years, went from making less than I did in the same position to making over $300k a year.

    If you want it, it's out there. You want UPS driver pay? You want to put yourself in one of the more dangerous jobs and do physical labor? You want CISO pay? You want to forego intimate relationships and free time? You want Ed-Tech Technician pay? You want to sit in an air conditioned office, answer printer and smart board tickets and goof off for half of every day?

    • High paying tech jobs are out there yeah but you gotta be an SME and own a solution which really involves in my POV knowing programming, some backend, networking and infrastructure. Tech work is so vast people only really master one thing. Tech workers are notoriously lazy as well, soon as people get a "cushy" job it's like pulling teeth trying to get them to learn a new skill. Can't tell you the amount of times I've tried to teach old school network guys some devops stuff and they say something like "I don't want to have to learn programming" and when I tell them it's really not as complicated as they think they have some other excuse locked and loaded

      • The Tech field does encourage laziness in certain specializations. Networking is notorious for it because once it's up and configured properly you should be able to sit back and relax. For the most part it will run itself when set up correctly. And you pay for that downtime by not getting paid as much.

        CyberSecurity is absolutely booming right now, and those dudes are making a mint. Why? Cause they're going to run around like beheaded chickens more times than not with the pace that attacks are happening. What's that do for their salary? Shoots it through the roof.

        Just because your job is business critical doesn't mean you deserve as much as someone else who's doing business critical work. How much work are you doing to maintain the business is the real question, and like I said above, proper Networks should not require tons of intervention. Security solutions, however, do.

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