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Scientist, after decades of study, concludes: We don't have free will

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  • I get what he's saying, and in many ways I agree, but the choice of words is too strong for the hypotheses he's presenting. For example, he uses the following to bolster his claim

    Abundant evidence indicates that people who grew up in homes marked by chaos and deprivation will perceive the world differently and make different choices than people raised in safe, stable, resource-rich environments.

    Yet he mentions himself that we are subject to our external environment. Some of these individuals do not make markedly different choices based on these external differences, not to mention their own internal ones (genetics, etc.).

    To make the claim that we have no free will because we are the sum of our environment + upbringing ignores that we have a modicum of control over our environment, and it also ignores how our interactions provide that external environment. We pass laws to further human rights and create a better environment so that people in the future would hold them in higher esteem and be influenced by these choices we make. In short, there is a field of possibility that lies within the maybes - our genetics and upbringing set us up for how malleable we are on any decision. Some decisions simply won't happen and some outcomes are likely inevitable, but most fall in the space where there is a likely but not predetermined outcome which is influenced by the environment. This is why perfect predetermination is impossible.

    In fact, this very viewpoint is even reinforced in the most physical of sciences - physics. In quantum physics we can at best determine probable outcomes. While there are theorists who believe in superdeterminism, or the idea that we simply don't have all the variables to determine everything perfectly yet, superdeterminism has gotten no closer to explaining bell tests, the slit experiment, or other quantum phenomenon in well over 50 years. Increasingly complicated mathematics repeatedly show that there is a fundamental randomness to the universe that we seem unable to capture.

    And I think it makes sense, in the context of what we know of biology and evolution. Brains are constructed in a way where signals are created almost randomly, and then organized to make sense of the world. Evolution has played a part to refine this processing so that it ignores what's not important to survival and proliferation. If this process weren't generative and random in some sense, we would not evolve and there would be little to no purpose for diversity. The world is constantly changing and thus our biology must account for this, meaning that it must be malleable and open to changes by the environment. If it is open to changes by the environment, then we must be able to influence each other and thus a concept of free will must exist that at the very least is a representation of the sum of all that activity.

  • Like almost any concept, the argument over free will really becomes semantic (and pedantic) when pushed to academic extremes. At a certain point it shifts to "is there a difference between free will and the apparent ability to choose what we do in any given moment?"

    This scientist claims that the inability to tease any choice from the infinite variables that affect that decision means that the decision isn't ours. It is an equally valid conclusion that you don't need to know every single thing that influences you in order to have agency among those influences.

    Moore's take on the Cartesian question of "how do we know we exist?" is similar. It points out that the debate actually has nothing to do with existence, but what it means to "know" something, and that "knowing," like anything, can of course be made impossible with philosophical and academic contortions (e.g., arguments like "but what if this is a simulation and there is a "great deception" that only convinces you that you exist?"). It is not that some form of knowing cannot exist, it is that people are capable of imagining fantasies in which knowing cannot exist, and Moore denies that we should let the ability to conceptualize something beyond the intended context of our language (i.e., perceived reality) pervert our ability to see and accept something concrete.

    Is Moore right? Who knows, but he gets at the point that the answers to questions of free will, existence, ontology, etc. have more to do with how the questions are framed academically and philosophically than with how the same concepts actually operate in real life. It will always be possibly to frame a question (or to define the words within a question) in a way that denies the possibility of knowing or agency. But the ability to do so doesn't mean that other methods of asking or knowing are impossible.

  • I think we do. I just think that the part of our mind that we identify with, the part that makes monkey chatter in your head and stitches everything together into a narrative you can understand, that part of your mind isn't the part that makes decisions. It rationalizes decisions and tells itself that it made them, but it doesn't have free will. But there is another part that does.

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