That's unfortunate
That's unfortunate
That's unfortunate
Ahh yes the blanket shit on Americans post.
It’s timeless
A classic
Not sure why their are doing it, could of made fun of anyone.
Make a joke about the British, they're like "Yeah we do drink a lot of tea did a lot of imperialism, and our food sucks"
Make a joke about the French, and they're like "ho ho, we are rude and love wine non?"
Make a joke about the Italians, and they're like "Ay, we do love a pizza, and can't fight a war!"
Make a joke about Americans, and there's always the "WHY DO YOU GUYS MAKE FUN OF US! NO FAIR! WHY DO PEOPLE THINK ITS FUNNY TO HATE US?!?"
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, only 20 percent of Americans can converse in two or more languages, compared with 56 percent of Europeans.
I would of knew itd turn out this way
Blanket 🤔
Speak for yourselves. As a Latino born from Mexican immigrants, I speak English and Spanish poorly 😢
Lo siento amigo (o bróder )
My 3 favorite experiences with language as an American:
(1) My Jamaican coworker who I couldn't understand for the life of me and my Ukrainian coworker who my Jamaican couldn't understand at all, the Ukrainian coworker understood the Jamaican coworker just fine though and I understood my Ukrainian coworker just fine. Basically it turns into a fun game of telephone whenever we need to talk.
(2) My former coworker from Haiti who no one but the hiring manager and I could understand, the best part about this is that I didn't know he had an accent. I just didn't hear it somehow. He was a great guy, he went back home a few years ago when his mother passed. Got stuck due to the pandemic and never came back to the company. I hope he's doing well.
(3) My former coworker from Guatemala insisting English wasn't my first language as to him it sounded like English was my second language at best. I've been working on it since then. I still suck at it.
German, Bavarian and English 😁
Bavarian
On that note, I also understand some Swabian, Franconian, and Austrian.
This. I think european and asian should be swapped in this meme. I think its rarer to see asian speak 3 languages than seeing european speak 3 languages
Surely that depends on where in Asia you're looking at as well? On average, the number of languages people speak is quite different between, say, India and Japan. Or Switzerland vs Romania in Europe.
I think it also really depends where you are, which is why generalising entire continents maybe isn't very useful. Someone from Luxemburg or somewhere in the Netherlands with more recent immigrants is going to be a lot more likely to speak multiple languages than say someone from Russia or more rural France, just as someone from China is more often going to be monolingual compared to someone from India or Singapore
"Hey let me just make a quick generalization about like three billion people".
Americans have trouble with any accent that isn't the blandest, nails on chalkboard accent.
Once had one ask me if I was speaking English when I spoke to him (for context I am Irish, the north bit)
Lol yeah, it's just the Americans that don't understand you. Sure...
Well fucksake mate, when someone asks yous where you're from, yous go "NornIrn"
Naecunt can unnerstaund thon
Right so don't really know if this is bait... but that's one kind of accent (and the tickest pronunciation at that) in ulster, specifically greater Belfast/co. Antrim and very few people speak that thick. For the most part they should be quite understandable from the perspective of anyone who consumes any English language media outside of only American or only London (RP) English. The number of times I have had people have trouble with my accent in Europe and then I ask them what they watched when learning English and the answer is American TV is astounding.
This is me getting on my wee podium now but I have a huge problem with the Americans and Brits for this, they marginalise the fuck out if our dialect, make fun of it for being unitelligible (after making no effort to understand it), and often deny it any legitimacy.
In reality Irish English is spoken by 5-7million people, as large as some dialects of European languages (eg. Austrian/swiss German, Belgian/Swiss French, etc) and if you learn French or German you still get some exposure to those dialects and if you out your mind to it understand it.
asks yous
Before I read the rest of your comment, I thought you were going for a New York accent.
Bland and nails on chalkboard? That's like the opposite of bland. Not great, but definitely not bland. Bland is blunt and flat. Nails on chalkboard is shrill, sharp, and grating. I just don't understand how you can believe both at the same time.
I am dating a man from England and it’s amazing how many people don’t understand his accent. It might just be me getting to know him, but I don’t find his accent (or even tough accents like Irish or Scottish) hard to understand anymore.
I mean if you never leave the US (easy to do, it's gigantic and travel is expensive), it's kinda understandable that you'd struggle with accents because you rarely hear any, let alone other languages. I know americans that have trouble with english accents lmao
My god son, just how many marbles were you trying to eat while talking to those nice Americans? You do know that the untied states has around 30 dialects, and every accent from around the world, right? I'm sure you knew better than that when you generalized 300 million people into one anecdote.
You'll probably hear more and more varied accents in an average US city than in all of Ireland.
Excuse me, but as an American I take offense to this meme. I speak 4 languages, English, Southern, Bostonian, and Spanish /s
Spanish
I refuse to believe any
American can speak Spanish well.(this is a joke)
Oh look, it's the same old reposted garbage meme that I have seen on Reddit hundreds of times.
That's how you can tell Lemmy is growing.
You are
Your
🤣
There, their, they're.
You mean y'all. Don't embarrass us.
y'all'd'nt've'd'd'i'd'nt've'd'y'all't've'd
Here's one: it's/its
Now tell me which is possessive.
Well, as an Indian with a love for anime, I speak 3 languages and am learning a 4th (Japanese).
मुळात माझी मातृभाषा मराठी आहे. आणि मी बरीच वर्ष महाराष्ट्रातच राहिलीय...
लेकिन school और दोस्तों के वजह से हिंदी भी बोल लेता है. और तो और, इन दोनो की लिपी एक जैसी ही होने के कारण पढणे मे भी दिक्कत नही आति.
わたしはあにめがすきですから、にほんごをべんきょうおします。今は、にほんごのうりょうくしけんのN5できました。今年の12月にN4できますよ。
And I plan on learning more soon 🙃.
Hello fellow Indian. This is very similar to my linguistic capabilities if you substitute Japanese for the bit of French I learnt in school / college 30 years ago. Ok, I can't really follow someone when they speak French, but I can read it well enough even now.
This feels like I'm playing No Man's Sky. Just a bunch of symbols I don't recognize and then the word "school" in the middle without context hahaha.
In all seriousness, good for you. That's very impressive. I'm only bilingual with a basic understanding of a third language.
lmao. I feel you.
Thanks man. I'm barely able to read at present...
Also, that's pretty cool dude! Nice.
Weebs around the world uniting all cultures and creeds.
OMAE WA...
Yoo i kinda can understand the jp one lol.
試験を合格しておめでとうございます!🎉N4に頑張って!
ありがとうございます。
日本語のうりょうくしけんがんばってね!ぼくはそのしけんのためにぜんぜんべんきょうしないので、むずかしさわかりません。 もし、日本へりょこうしたいなら、外来語はとっても大切だと思ういますよ。かたかなをよめなければ、何も分かりませんでした。
あ。。。どうもね。 そうですね。。。たいへんですね。。。 ぼくはごいとぶんぽうがとてもへたですよ。。。 かたかなきらいですから、あまりしらないよ。。。
The only good thing that the Americanization brought is, that, except the French, the world can communicate with each other in English.
Even if the French could communicate in English, would anyone want to have a conversation with a Frenchman?
Non
I know you are joking but based on my purely anecdotal personal experience, the French (at least in Paris) can now speak and are willing to speak in English much more than a few decades back.
The first time I went to France, almost 25 years back, I had a rough time communicating at restaurants or even buying tickets at the Paris metro stations. Not sure if the latter was an ability or willingness issue because even holding up two fingers and saying "two tickets" was apparently indecipherable. Had to muster my school days French and say "deux billets" to produce instant results.
Edit: And no, the two fingers I was holding up were not the middle finger of each hand :P
Oh I love the UK! I just hate the Trump-impression the people who’re too old that they should be allowed to vote have given power.
Many indians speak 4+ languages easily , and we dont even notice that 😅
Isn't India in Asia
Clearly, this dude voted to become mr. worldwide
India and Pakistan are considered to be in Asia but more accurately they are considered to be in the Indian Subcontinent. The same way Iran, Saudi Arabia and the rest are also considered to be in Asia but they are more accurately considered to be on the Middle East.
SEA PROBABLY , however India , pakistan , sri lanka and bangladesh are considered a subcontinent coz similar cultures , and are different from rest of asia !
Not to take away from this but often these 4 are very similar languages that could be easily interpreted as dialects if not the identity politics.
It is complicated. India has at least four language families - Indo-European, Dravidian, Austroasiatic and Sino-Tibetan. So Hindi (I-E) is closer related to English or Greek than to Tamil (Dra), Santali (AA) or Zeme (S-T). While it is rare for people to speak languages belonging to all four families, I know at least three people who can passably speak six languages from two or three families.
How well do you speak those languages? For example, can you order pizza with pineapple and olives in any of those languages? What if the pizza you get is cold, there’s only one olive on it and the crust is soggy, could you get your complaints through in any language?
Or perhaps will the explanation be more like: “Pizza bad, no good. Want money back.”
Americans: "I Don't think about you guys at all."
I'll never understand this attitude that Europeans have towards Americans. I thought we were friends.
North Americans and Europeans are only friends when someone from a different continent is in the room.
I'm franco-american, living in france, and I regularly get people telling me they're sorry for insulting me for being american. It's so ingrained in the culture here to shit on americans it's something of a knee-jerk reaction. I get it, america's the hegemon, we're the big baddy, I just wish that didn't spill over into a kind of xenophobia that people are so comfortable with they regularly catch themselves being openly insulting to people they call their friends.
I remember back in high school there was this Danish foreign exchange student one year, and she would not shut up about how this or that was better in Denmark.
The average Dane is firmly convinced that Denmark is the most perfect place on earth, a paradise that the rest of the world can only dream of. It follows that any reasonable person who's not already a Dane must have a desire to become one. If they don't, there must either be something wrong with them or they simply haven't heard enough about how good Denmark is.
Those kind of people exist anywhere, that isn't tied to any nationality. Guess it stemms from insecurities and chasing some weird need to feel superior about something.
Well in fairness if you came to America and saw what a depraved, decaying shithole it is after being raised on a diet of airbrushed American media you'd probably be appalled, too.
I can't count how many stories I've heard of people visiting from civilized parts of the world and breaking down crying in the street when they see how American's treat homeless people.
They can't talk to eagles 🦅 so they don't count that as a language
Just a friendly reminder that bald eagles just sound like noisier seagulls. :)
My theory is they don't like constantly seeing us in their news and entertainment when we rarely see anything at all from their country.
Thing is, there's not much American news outside of the US. I live in Canada and have far less news about America than I'd thought there should be given how we are neighbors and partners. Most of the news I used to hear about the USA is from Reddit. And when I visit France (which I do regularly, bring born there), there's almost nothing about the US there.
Recently though, Trump was also over and it wasn't pretty. Also when going on Reddit, it's 80% about US News and content, but not necessarily the best news.
Overall, what bothers me and others is how much patriotic a lot of the Americans seem to be and how great they seem to think they are, even when you hear how bad the society is in terms of healthcare, pension, divided politics, crimes, conspiracy theory, etc.
But everytime I've been to the US, I've only met great and friendly people and have always appreciated it. You usually hear about the bad parts in the news.
They believe themselves superior in every way, including racially. Look up the racist "le 56% face" Nazi memes to see what they think about that.
look up racist memes intentionally
I think I won't thanks
Look up the racist “le 56% face” Nazi memes
Wow. I had no idea this was a thing.
Modern neo-nazis and white supremacists just don't really understand that the Nazis from WWII would reject and enslave a majority of them... mainly for having Jewish, Slavic, Roma, or other ethnic groups' blood.
Turns out post-WWI/WWII economic crises lead to a lot of migration and mixing of groups, who woulda thunk?
The "le 56% face" meme, on both sides of the coin, is just a precursor to the world's greatest Leopards ate My Face meme.
We are only friends because the other big guys look way because out of the big guys the usa look the least scary.
Many Americans actually are bilingual or are studying another language to become bilingual.
But Americans be like duhhhhh hahaha stereotypes
Some perspective is worthwhile here. It's 21% of americans vs 65% of Europeans.
True, but, for most Americans, the "need" to become bilingual simply wasn't a thing until recently. (It became a thing mainly because US Spanish-speaking communities are slowly moving northward from where they began in the southernmost states.)
In Europe, it's much easier to run into someone who speaks a different language than you simply by driving to another town.
For the most part, the only two languages Americans have to worry about learning if they want to communicate with neighboring countries is French (because of Canada, although they also speak English) and Spanish (because of the countries to the US's south, including Mexico and others).
Some of my collegemates know 6 languages(India)
South and Southeast Asians really put all their xp into languages
They will speak hindi, their native and 3 neighboring states' languages fluently and then complain about north Indian hindi oppression
(which is definitely a thing but I have my own different views on it not expressed in this comment or comparison)
India is basically a language generator
Haha
Hey we speak two languages...English and Bad english....
Corporate and Common
The nice thing about language is, if enough people are wrong they eventually become right.
面白いね。メキシコがアメリカの近くにあるのに、アメリカの大分がスペイン語を全然はなせないねw!私もスペイン語が習いたいけど、日本語もうPainintheassだよ!
I understood "pain in the ass", did I pass the test?
I actually didn't understand that part lol... Took me two times to get it
日本語難しいね。。。
There are few reasons to visit Mexico for most Americans, even those on the border. If you don't understand that, then you're ignorant of how things typically work here. I live there (in a border city), feel free to ask me questions.
This said, I agree that japanese is a pain in the ass to learn. Still, I'm really enjoying the process of it. I'm done with Hiragana, and I'm learning Katakana now. So, I'm a the level of a child, basically... But that's okay. We all have to start somewhere, and judging strangers is kind of considered an asshole move here in America.
Good luck with your learnings.
I assume in terms of incentive, there are more reason for Spanish speakers to learn English than English speakers to learn Spanish. Likewise most Spanish speakers within the US tend to keep to their own communities, and you're unlikely to directly interact with them unless you are friends with people in the group, or frequently do business with people who speak Spanish.
It's kinda like Russian and its bordering Countries. Many people in Kazakhstan can speak Russian, but not many Russians can speak Kazakh.
And good luck with your language endeavors as well. Japanese does get easier the more you interact with it. I am at the top of my game when I'm watching and reading media constantly.
Include anglo Canadians in there too!
Complaining about bilingual (english + french) positions in the public service is a favorite hobby of anglo public servants, as if the french ones didn't need to learn a second language to get the job... Heck, it's not rare to see/hear one argue that french Canadians should just start speaking english and stop bothering them about their "unique culture"...
But hey, it's not racism... Or so they say 🤷
I can confirm this, in high school (Québec) no one really gives a f**k about learning English as they don’t need it if they stay in Québec and don’t understand that knowing English is a valuable asset.
Speaking French isn't a race.
Racism: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
Racism is discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity.
Ethnicity: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicity
An ethnicity or ethnic group is a grouping of people who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Those attributes can include common sets of traditions, ancestry, language, history, society, nation, religion, or social treatment within their residing area
Guess that answers the question, you're wrong :)
damn, bro. It's almost like America is bigger than all of Europe and shares one language, and it's hard to become fluent in a language when there's no one to speak it with. If you are asian or european you can hop in the car or on a train to practice your french or vietnamese, but unless you're practicing Spanish or some specific language kept in your area(Polish in Chicago, Pennsylvania Dutch, German in some parts of Wisconsin) you have no way to practice.
Not only this, but I've met one German speaker irl since german class about 15yr ago. Many times "bilingual" in europe means "X and English," do German people oft go 15 years without meeting another English speaker? Seems like there'd be one on every corner.
There's tons of Germans who don't go a year without being exposed to Catalan so there's that. Given that the mandatory third language tends to be Romanic (usually French or Latin) it's not terribly difficult to pick up, either.
What's true though for pretty much all of Europe is that multilingualism still tends to be solely within the Indo-European family, unless your native language isn't that is which is quite the minority.
I've met two other americans that spoke german after leaving high school, and one of them was in Europe
Please add a /s to your comment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_United_States#/media/File:Languages_cp-02.svg
German here, speaking english fluently, enough french to get everything done while on vacation in France or Wallony and learning Japanese atm.
I'm also learning Japanese! How do you feel about it so far?
I'm enjoying it, but the sheer number of Kanji are quite intimidating to think about...
Wait till you discover the wonderful world of the pitch accent!
I'm using duolingo and am almost done with the first big section. It is so different compared to germanic and latin languages! But that was one of the reasons to learn it, so kinda expected. I'm also enjoying it, I don't worry so much about reading and writing and focus on speaking and understanding, like a child would do. Reading and writing is the next step and I hope that it comes somewhat naturally this way.
where i grew up in burger land, back in the 80s, the public schools were teaching us all spanish in from age 5 to 10. not like true bilingual education, but we had a spanish class once a week. it last about 2 years before the white nationalists--who panic at the idea of working class people easily communicating with each other--got it shut down. between that and some years working with seasonal agricultural workers practicing their english, i am at the comprehension level of an inebriated toddler. i wish i had more opportunities to practice. honestly, the US should have all its signs in english and spanish anyway, but you know the reactionaries would go info a full blown pogrom over even a whiff of that being proposed.
i remember some small business tyrant in florida in the 2000s called up my work one time and wanted me to pass along his complaint to my boss that our phone system had an option to "press ocho for espanol". he said that our company even offering the option to "those people" was wrong... in FLORIDA... the state with the name that means "land of flowers" in spanish.
Are foreign languages classes in general not mandatory in US schools ?
Here in
every kid will have classes for at least two languages (one for four years, one for two IIRC), sometimes three. Depending on where they go to school the kids will sometimes have a lot of choices (Chinese, Polish, regional languages, etc.) or sometimes only either English, Italian, German, or Spanish.in secondary school (ages 14-18) it was highly encouraged to take at least 2 years of a foreign language, though american sign language counted. and kids on the "not college" pipeline didn't have to do that. j'ai trois ans de les cours de francais, but i haven't had much opportunity to practice or use it conversationally in like the 25 years since.
edit: secondary school offered french, spanish, german or ASL. the private $$$ schools offered mandarin and others.
I think a lot of people don't realize that America is almost 12% as racist as Europe.
The distance from Atlanta to LA is about the same as the distance between Paris and Beirut. There is somewhat less linguistic diversity on the Altanta/LA route than the Paris/Beirut route (because of the genocide).
There's actually significantly more but you'd have to stop ignoring indigenous languages. Look, all those different families whereas from Paris to Beirut it's Indo-European over Turkic to Semitic, that's all (assuming you manage to avoid Hungary, that's Uralic, just like Finns, Sami and and Estonians. Then there's the Basques, but that's really it. Yes Albanian is Indo-European even if it's hardly recognisable).
Of those languages, the population is very small and centralized to the point of being not noteworthy as a factor in language learning. This is not to mention that the map you've cited was a pre-contact linguistic graph, and unfortunately many of those languages have become extinct with their unique aspects lost forever to humanity. Compared to Europe, the states have become a desert of language with few natural language learning opportunities outside of English and Spanish
The right isn't big on education, and it really shows.
Bruv the left ain't either. Destroying the US education system was a bipartisan reach-across-the-aisle operation all the way up and down. The fascists wanted education destroyed and the polite fascists wanted education privatized and for profit, which is the same thing as destroyed.
Hmm look at a map of education by state. Then pull up a map of red vs blue states. Notice something strange there? This isn't a BoTh SiDeS thing, this is a right thing. They want you dumb so you fall for their lies, get in line, and vote for them, it's simple.
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And the French.
Don't forget the Spanish. And the Latin Americans as well (including Brazil which doesn't speak Spanish but Portuguese).
Pretending not to know is the preferable choice for me.
What were we talking about?
Fun fact: Some places in Europe "bilingual" is used as an euphemism for students with middle eastern backgrounds. When used like this it carries lots of negative connotations and authorities try to limit the concentration of "bilingual" students at schools as they're seen as the source of all kinds of trouble.
That wasn't fun at all
Does anyone have that meme about how you drive four hours through Europe and discover twelve kinds of racism you didn't even suspect existed?
You can drive through twelve villages neighbouring villages and discover twelve kinds of xenophobia. They'll still gang up on you if you try to join in, though.
I am a bilingual illiterate. I cannot read or write in 2 different languages.
21% illiteracy is shockingly bad tbh.
This can't be true..... 21% of Americans can't read?
Gives some perspective on american culture and problems compared to the rest of the world doesn't it?
Four in five U.S. adults (79 percent) have English literacy skills sufficient to complete tasks that require comparing and contrasting information, paraphrasing, or making low-level inferences—literacy skills at level 2 or above in PIAAC (OECD 2013). In contrast, one in five U.S. adults (21 percent) has difficulty completing these tasks (figure 1). This translates into 43.0 million U.S. adults who possess low literacy skills
Four in five U.S. adults (79 percent) have English literacy skills sufficient to complete tasks that require comparing and contrasting information, paraphrasing, or making low-level inferences—literacy skills at level 2 or above in PIAAC (OECD 2013). In contrast, one in five U.S. adults (21 percent) has difficulty completing these tasks (figure 1). This translates into 43.0 million U.S. adults who possess low literacy skills
Why speak human languages when you can be cat meow nyaaaa meow meow
U aint tellin me nutin!
Go easy on us, our 1% needs to keep us stupid for myriad reasons, mostly to stay in power. Don't worry though, they'll come for you next, wherever you are. Likely selling you on some other enemy or distraction.
Wut
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I know romanian, moldovan, british english and american english
I reckon you'd be half decent at Scots too.
Az angol nyelv a magyar nyelvhez képest semmi.
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Europeos, cuando llegan a México y no pueden hablar Espanol:
"Voy a coger el autobús"
@Loweredlifted @LambLeeg, también causaría las mismas curiosas miradas y preguntas en Argentina 😂
¿Neta? No soy metiche pero, ¿como? 😄
To be fair, it's hard to "master" a language that changes every generation.
French has entered the chat
So thats what non-Americans do with their free time. We Americans spend it driving sports cars and extracting wealth from other countries.
Canadian here, I am fluent in English, French and Russian. Currently learning Spanish as well. If I can do it at 15y, you can too.
Edit: Uyuu pointed out that its actually easier when you are young and I agree.
Yeah its easier when you are young
I had no patients or focus to do it when I was younger. I actually learned more Japanese and Chinese in the past 3 years, than I had ever done in childhood or university.
Pretty sure I can't since I'm no longer younger than 15
In all seriousness though I'm curious how you've been finding Spanish, just if it kinda fits with my experience where, coming from French, it seemed overall quite easy to learn and improve (especially on the comprehension side of things.
Its not that bad. I joined a school with spanish classes this year and the others had 2y more of knowledge on me as I did not learn Spanish at my previous school, but I still managed to pull off a year average of 82% without studying. If you know french, then its a lot easier to learn Spanish as the verb and sentence structure is similar, not speaking about the amount of words that are the same in both languages. Knowing Russian helps as well as it also has some similarities. If Inhad a tip to give, it would be to not be shy trying to speak as there aure no negative and the positives are major. If you mispronounced a word, someone will just correct you and you will likely not repeat the same mistake again instead of you being shy to say something wrong.
Good luck with that!
Thx!
If you wanna practice Spanish, I'm Italian with fluent Spanish and a decent English (I think so 🤪)