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Advice for a middle-age, moderately pc knowledgeable person to finally switch to or become proficient with Linux?

This is my third attempt. Partly to rage quit Windows, and partly to gain utility and control with some professional AV software.

I have converted an old Asus netbook to Ubuntu netbook remix and used it for a while. I was impressed with how much better that tiny thing ran with Linux than Windows. But in the end it still had less power than a TI-84. So I stopped using it, and never really learned Linux proper.

I dual boot my Chromebook, so I can use gimp for photos on vacation, but everything I do with the Linux partition is cut and paste from articles by people who know what they're doing. (I was motivated to post here by a meme about that.)

I'm thinking of dual booting my main desktop, because I need Windows for some fairly processor intense A/V software I use for work. So what would be a good distro to look into for a novice and where should I look for a tutorial? I would ultimately like to see if I can use Linux to run my AV software in emulation and add drivers for some professional audio interfaces. I'm fed up with windows and trying to see how far I can get without it. Your help is appreciated in advance, and if this is inappropriate for this topic, let me know and I'll delete it.

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  • Rather than trying to muck with dual booting, I would recommend picking up a Lenovo T430S or better laptop on Amazon from around 150.00-500.00. Lenovo ThinkPad T series laptops are incredibly well supported by Linux. Then install Linux Mint. This is a great way to get started with a low barrier to entry. As you get better, you can start tinkering with the innards. By getting a cheap spare machine with which to learn Linux on, it will be the least disruptive to you.

  • General tips:

    • Don't look for Linux versions of the Windows software you use. Instead look for software that fulfils the same purpose.
    • If you're cutting-and-pasting a lot of stuff from those articles, give yourself a check on what those things actually do. See it as a small investment of time to economise time later on, as you'll rely less and less on those articles.
    • Stick to popular distros. And for the desktop environment (DE), use whatever works for you.
    • Keep it easy. It's fine if you need to log into Windows once in a while, but over time you'll notice yourself doing it less and less.
  • First thing: Ubuntu is the right choice. As far as I’m aware, having run Linux as my main desktop OS for almost a decade and playing with several flavors (…which includes Arch btw 😎), it’s the most polished out of the box desktop experience for someone completely new. It will also likely be the OS with the most Q&A existing on the web for problems you won’t be the first to have encountered.

    Secondly, and maybe this should be first, and it sounds like you’ve already got this part down: you have to want to do this. Linux is just not mainstream for the majority of desktop computer users. If you’re not really wanting to do this, you’ll be frustrated when this isn’t the same experience as Windows. (but it sounds like you’re sick of the Windows experience. That’s what started me into Linux years ago.)

    Lastly, as far as my quick Lemmy comment goes: Embrace the terminal! You can get around for a while as a Linux n00b on Ubuntu without opening that terminal, but at the end of the day, the *nix shell commands are what make working with Linux great.

    The switch will take time. You’ll occasionally need to look up how to do stuff that may have felt simple in Windows… and that will usually be installing and running software that targets Windows only. However, the support for that sort of stuff gets better and better with time. Wine🍷 has come a long way.

    It’s worth the journey IMO. For me, I was a PC gamer and I jumped straight into Linux with 0 experience. I learned a lot, spending a lot of time trying to make my Windows games run on Linux. Friends at LAN parties would joke about how I’d spend half the LAN party trying to get my games to run right.

    The jokes were a good laugh, but my career shifted since then and my Linux experience carried right over into software development. Everything I deploy is on Linux servers or in Docker containers. All those years fooling around and tinkering with Linux as a PC gamer were loading me with experience that people would pay me for one day.

    Good luck! 🐧

  • As an alternative (and since you need to keep Windows running for now), have you considered downloading VirtualBox and installing linux thee on your desktop? There's a couple of really good reasons behind this... First off, you don't have to mess with switching back and forth when dual-booting, but it also gives you the ability to play with some different distributions and find something that feels more comfortable without having to trash a machine and continuously starting over. You can even load up multiple distros at the same time on your Windows desktop and compare them.

    Now for really getting going with linux... It's easier if you don't expect yourself to figure it all out at once. Pick a daily task, like reading your email. Maybe you already use something like Thunderbird, so that's an easy switch. Just shut it down on Windows and start using the linux screen for this every time. Web browsing might also be an easy switch, and you already mentioned you use Gimp. Have you played around with different desktops yet? With linux you can install several and select one of them when you log in, so maybe try KDE, Gnome, or Mate (this one is my favorite because it's fairly light on my older system but still lets me configure a lot). What else can you dive in to? How about configuring your login screen for different options like showing available users or automatically signing you in when you boot up the linux system in virtualbox? There's a lot of configuration you can do by editing files in the /etc/ folder so it pays to get familiar with that aspect of things.

    Once you think maybe you found a distro or desktop you like, consider what other things you can do to really start getting familiar with linux. You could change your default shell, or your default command line editor. What about setting up a local DNS cache or maybe your own email relay? Maybe even set up your own web server and database, and use them to develop web pages locally. The point is, once you realize there's no limitations in what you now have available to you, your brain starts thinking about all the things you could do -- and that's where you really start learning how to work with linux. Sure you need to use online guides the first time you set up a web server or something else. Sure you'll have to continue to rely on the web for some time, but as you work through various projects you'll start to remember where you found things, and you'll start to see how they connect to other things, and one day that thing you've been re-typing from your notes suddenly clicks and you understand WHAT that thing was actually doing.

    It's never an easy process to start something new. The first time somebody gave me a bunch of old PC parts and I powered up a machine on my waterbed, I looked at the blinking cursor and thought "now what?" (Yeah he didn't even give me a DOS boot floppy!) But here we are thirty-some years later and I'm running servers, troubleshooting multiple operating systems at work, and doing pretty much anything I want. Linux was a complete change of gears but it was totally worth taking the time to figure it out, you just need to work on one piece at a time.

    • This, absolutely. VirtualBox is free for home users as well, and supports hardware graphics acceleration. Hardest part of running Linux is installing it - can practice at no risk and try out various distros until you're confident with it. Can even practice with a recovery disk and make sure that you can get back up and running if you cack it up.

      Also, make sure that you've got an install DVD / USB stick somewhere safe, just in case you do ever need it. Bit embarassing to be unable to start the only computer you have in the house.

  • Before I could fully leave windows, I spent a lot of time being lost in Linux distrohopping and ricing without even fully understanding what I was doing. Without a solid setup to live in, Linux had a weird experimental feel and it got frustrating when I wanted stuff done.

    Coming to your case, there are 2 different priorities here: daily driving and Linux proficiency. You're tied into windows for the daily driving bit for now so your main focus should be learning, and that probably won't need a dual boot right away.

    First up is understanding why there are so many distributions. Linux is the kernel, the common skeleton that you can't use on its own. There are other modular bits that go on top to make a full fledged OS, and the choices of what those are is what makes a distribution. Learn more about the options available for the modular bits - the ones that you should concern yourself with for now are:

    • package managers: the program responsible for installing and managing software. This is one of the main differences between the major popular variants of Linux(Debian, Arch, fedora etc). For example, on Debian and distros based on it, you'd use apt. That's why you would've probably used apt on Ubuntu, it's based on Debian.
    • desktop environment: all the programs involved with the user interface - the main UI itself. This is a subjective thing and people use different desktop environments based on their workflow.

    Once you get this modularity based perspective, distributions wont be overwhelming and vague. You'll understand why people are recommending mint or popOS:

    • it's Ubuntu based and there are many popular Debian and Ubuntu based distros out there. You'll be able to get software easily and if there's some problem you need to debug, there's a relevant question and answer out there
    • mint's desktop environment is cinnamon, which is simple, clean and not too jarring for people coming from windows

    You'll also know, you can choose whatever you want as long as it's Ubuntu based for your learning phase. Only at that point I think it will make sense to dual boot. You can boot in for particular reasons instead of a vague "let me understand Linux". The reasons will be finding alternative software to daily drive, learning how to use the terminal or just getting comfortable with Linux in general. From there, you can find your own way or reach out to the community with questions specific for your use cases.

    • Distrohopping is the only real answer here. It's the only way you can experience all the stuff Linux has to offer and it can be a lot of fun.

  • Stick to the defaults for the time being and only do custom things when you have time to fiddle around. This is not specific to Linux though.

  • If you can, find another old computer that still works, maybe replace the mechanical hard drive with a solid state drive and install Linux Mint or even the new Debian 12. I have Debian running on an old computer with an Intel i5-2500k processor and it is rock solid. As far as learning linux, I recommend https://www.learnlinux.tv/ as a starting point. Jay is very good at explaining.

  • My advice is, learning new things can be a pleasure, so try to improve your learning skills. Everything is possible then.

  • Eh, just use a super really easy linux distro like ZorinOS or Mint and stick with it.

    t. Currently 39 years old and been using Linux since around 10 years ago.

  • My advice is to restart with Arch (I use Arch btw). Not Manjaro, I'm talking Arch.

    I think using/installing Arch as well as its barebones nature FORCES you to understand how Linux works differently than Windows with concepts like root, bootloader, terminal emulation, and disk partitioning, just to give you some examples. At the same time, Arch has excellent documentation, a great package manager in pacman, and rolling release model that greatly simplifies maintainance during daily use so you can tune it to exactly how you want it.

    I believe doing it the hard way at first will make it easier for you in the long run if you really want to understand Linux, and Arch is just the right amount of difficult to make you learn Linux, whereas Gentoo would be too hard and you don't learn enough from using Ubuntu/Debian/Mint.

    But yeah, if you just want to use something that works well out of the box, then Ubuntu is great, there's nothing wrong with using the more user friendly distros.

  • The best advice I can give is to just use Linux. Back in early 2006 when I started switching over to Linux I would dual boot, and any time I ran into something that was hard to do on Linux I would just boot into Windows to save time. Eventually I decided to stick with it and not reboot when that would happen. Linux back then was not as user friendly as it is now, so for the most part this should be the exception and not the rule. Obviously some software is going to be Windows specific, but the best thing you can do to learn is just stick with Linux and use it.

    As for distros, whatever is the most used which is probably Ubuntu right now, will be best as people will have plenty of answers and questions that will cover what you are going through compared to a niche distro. When you get more experience with Linux, you will get a better sense for what you want out of a distro like rolling releases like Arch, functional package management like with NixOS or whatever else may be important to you. So just stick with Ubuntu or whatever is more popular right now and reevaluate after you get to the point your comfortable with command line tools.

  • Apparently ChatGPT is really good as a personal tutor. You can ask it specific questions and it will answer with detailed tutorials and step-by-step guides.

  • I use OpenSUSE, because it has YaST, which is basically the Control Panel in Windows. Without it, I'd have to use the terminal. It also installs on just about anything.

  • Being able to easily switch back to Windows hindered my attempt to learn Linux. When I wasn't in the mood to learn a new concept, or failed to get something working after a few tries, then I'd just boot right back into Windows. I was able to push on when I deleted Windows in a rage and now the alternative to getting over the Linux hill was going back down and doing the "no, no, no, no, fuck off" dance that is the Windows install process.

    Websites recommending Ubuntu to noobs didn't help me much. The panel being stuck of the left size of the monitor after my friend boasted about customization on Linux really grinds my gears. Linux Mint was much better coming from Windows, and I'm still on it years later.

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      @Andonyx
      Agreed on all points, I didn't end up finally switching to linux until I got so fed up with the auto update caused issue I was having that I just got rid of windows entirely

      And while I at first switched to Ubuntu, I wouldn't be happy until a few months later when I landed on fedora with KDE

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