New victims of communism number
New victims of communism number
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- you're laughing? The Soviet Union killed between 1 and 1,000,000,000 people, and you're laughing??
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No matter how outlandish the Black Book death count is, its always way less than even a conservative estimate of deaths caused by capitalism. The British Empire alone tops these numbers
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500% margin of error, pretty standard
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So casualties from several wars as a minimum, plus another 98 million "mystery deaths".
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They usually include stuff like “how many kids would have been born if no one child policy” and other bs nonsense in numbers like these
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Hey, they topped 100m without dropping mao.
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123,456,789 lives erased by communism.
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1123581321 lives erased by communism
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4,294,967,295 lives
impacteddecimated by gommulism
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If its a more specific number it has to be true!
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hawaii.edu lmfao.
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Whenever people share sources like this "from a university" I just look at the directory they shared from.
https://hawaii.edu/powerkills/ It didn't disappoint this time
apparently it was collated by a dead ghoul (rest in piss) called Rudolph Rummel, who dedicated his life to this. Unsurprisingly he also supported the mass murder of Iraqis by the US government.
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I looked this guy up assuming that he might have arrived via Operation Paperclip, but no, despite his name he was actually born in Ohio.
He tried to argue here that "democracies don't make war" and then said the US doing covert action against other countries doesn't count because "actchually the countries they targeted weren't democracies, and it was okay because gobbunism bad, also the CIA is bad and not democratic but they wouldn't do those things if they had more Democracy
" Like he actually tried to redefine "war" as armed conflicts strictly between so that any suffering the US inflicts on other countries is justified because they are Spreading Democracy™ and aren't actually wars because the victim countries aren't "democracies."Also apparently the US Civil War wasn't a war because the Confederacy "was not recognized by any major Power, which means that it was not recognized as an independent state."
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Guy couldn't write CSS worth shit, this looks awful.
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Stalin is still to this day stealing your food with his giant spoon straight from his grave, the communist elite are more fascist than Hitler ever was
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You know, now that I look at this you don't even need an upper bound.
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Actually it’s between 150 million and 300 million deaths.
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Soviet Necromancy bringing people back to life just to kill them again.
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Everyone that took part in the Russian revolution is dead now, checkmate pinkos.
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We are all victims of communism, the crime? Abandonment
- it's just taking a lil nap is all
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Soviet Union destroyed underwater Samthi people with their hyperflux capacitators and you hexbears are just laughing!???!?
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This conversation became absurd a long time ago, and it appears that it still isn’t absurd enough
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This conversation about communist death tolls is so old that Marx himself probably replied to it
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They should add every communist that's ever lived to that number to make it even bigger, because clearly they are victims for believing in it.
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There are currently 1.6billion victims of communism in China having their living standards continually raised year on year! Horrible!
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- "Slavery? We stopped that so it's ok now, those numbers don't matter." "Ok cool, we stopped purges and gulags so it's ok now, none of those numbers matter anymore. Only numbers that exist today like lifespan, health and living standards increases each year matter now, the modern numbers."
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without the USSR, Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals would still be a fascist empire under the reign of Hitler's moronic children and most minorities would have been exterminated. in 2021 63% of Russians, and 84% of those under 55 (that is, those who actually lived under it) regretted the dissolution of the USSR. the USSR was a counterbalancing force for global imperialism and colonialism and helped many countries on the road to independence from the inbred monarchies of Europe, and when the USSR declined in the 1980s and fell soon after, the pressure on the global bourgeoisie mostly evaporated, meaning they could worsen conditions for the working class mostly without consequence as they had no major alternative to look on to, leading to the current desperate conditions for many workers in the imperial core - not to mention the record debt levels of peripheral countries as they are exploited by the United States. the fall of the USSR was an utter disaster for eastern Europe and Russia, leading to a massive decline in conditions for workers, massive amounts of poverty, a reduction in the life expectancy, and child prostitution as people struggled to survive - thus proving that the shift from socialism to capitalism was a huge mistake for the working class.
so shut the fuck up, you demented fucking weasel. if your grand uncles were murdered in Siberia, then I will Fortnite dance over their graves because they were probably reactionary dipshits. it's statistically unlikely that they were though, as the gulags have been propagandized by the West to appear worse by several orders of magnitude than they actually were according to the real historical data we possess (and not works of fiction by dipshits) it wasn't a "fake socialist state", you're a fake fucking leftist. go join your jack-booted, swastika-tattoo'd buddies in eastern Europe that you love so much who are destroying their countries with nationalistic fascism, and get the fuck out of the Left.
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in 2021 63% of Russians, and 84% of those under 55 (that is, those who actually lived under it) regretted the dissolution of the USSR.
Here, ill do op's reply for them
"Thats just because they miss being an empire!!! English people miss the British Empire too!"
This is of course, chauvinistic and reductive, but its the reponse ive seen.
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Literally every major Soviet historian of any standing aside from charlatans like Applebaum or Conquest agree the Soviet Union took a collapsed society of illiterate feudal peasants and transformed them into a literate industrial superpower with skyrocketing standards of living
Sorry they didn't create utopia on earth while dealing with one genocidal capitalist army after another, I'd like to see what US living standards look like after losing 27 million people and 1/3rd of the industrial and agricultural land destroyed, which is what the Soviets were dealing with after WW2
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Applebaum is not a historian, FYI. She is a journalist with no training or education in academic historical studies. Of course she loves to tout that she's a "historian", but it's just not true and even bourgeois historians like Kotkin love to dunk on her.
Her book on the famine just involved her being a stenographer for various Ukrainian neo-Nazi historians, for example.
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I consider the united states a shithole tbh
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The big three in the fight against fascism were Stalin, Churchill, and Roosevelt.
The only one who didn’t enrich his own family through being in power was Stalin.
The gulag system wasn’t pretty but the death rate, excluding WW2 famine years, is about the same as the modern US prison system. I would agree even that is too harsh and they could have been kinder but the error you make is to believe the massively repeated but factually untrue claim that it was equivalent to the Nazi concentration camps. It wasn’t that bad, it was as bad as modern US labor prison farms. Believing it was another kind of Nazi state concentration camp system is tantamount to Holocaust denial.
The USSR simply wasn’t the caricature that over a century of propaganda has convinced you it was. You need to realize that for a century the USSR was the enemy so the elites in the west in class-based institutions such as Harvard spent a century talking about how awful it was.
Of course the people who stood the most to lose were convinced it was awful and importantly they held the power in the west to convince those who stood the most to gain that it was awful.
If you look at the facts, the USSR took a barely even industrializing economy where half the people were living either as de facto serfs or in urban poverty and just two generations later everyone had a middle-income job, half the population had not just a city apartment but also a country cottage, and the biggest problem people complained about was the insufficient quantity of televisions to satisfy consumer demand. What a fucking horrible system.
It was also far more democratic than you’ve been led to believe with power devolved to a local level that allowed local communities to largely run their own affairs via workers councils and democratic influence working from the bottom up with those workers councils exercising control over the level above, and that level upon the next highest etc.
Bottom-up democracy while you’re used to seeing top-down democracy which is enough of a difference for you to simply see a dictatorship because you’ve never bothered to actually read for yourself except for the class-serving accounts that elites in Harvard want to present to you.
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Refreshing to see someone here write an actual argument instead of hurdling insults.
I agree, you can't compare gulags to the Nazi concentration camps. In 2 days, some 21 thousand Estonians were taken to gulags in Siberia, which was roughly 3% of Estonia's then population. Around 3 thousand of them perished on those camps before they started letting people return home in '56. However, the fact that it was arguably less deadly than the holocaust, does not make it any more acceptable, it was not a good thing, it was cruelty, so many innocent people.
I agree with you on some level, the soviet union was not all bad, there were good things as well, such as the availability of housing. My grandma actually lived (until recently due to health issues) in one of the apartments she got in the soviet union because she was a crane operator like my uncle and helped build Annelinn.
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- "I'm a leftist, but (insert contents of PragerU video)"
No investigation, no right to speak
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I'm a leftist, but I dont understand why people keep dickriding the soviet union
Why does a thread mocking absurd death tolls with an even more absurd margin of error come off ad "dickriding" to you?
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Bro if you deny that 72 trillion sperms were genocided personally by Stalin while he stroked a white cat saying “gentlemen… to evil!” then you’re a tankie.
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Liberals cannot ever engage with us about our support of various projects without inserting "dickriding" or "dick sucking" or other various pejorative attacks with homophobic/misogynistic connotations. It's like their brain short-circuits that someone could have a different view of these "evil dictatorships" than they have been taught their whole lives, so they just assume we worship the evil monster in their head instead of having a completely different view of it than them
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Fake socialist state, but ever since it collapsed workers rights have deteriorated without fail worldwide.
Hmmmmmm…
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The pure (libertarian) socialists' ideological anticipations remain untainted by existing practice. They do not explain how the manifold functions of a revolutionary society would be organized, how external attack and internal sabotage would be thwarted, how bureaucracy would be avoided, scarce resources allocated, policy differences settled, priorities set, and production and distribution conducted. Instead, they offer vague statements about how the workers themselves will directly own and control the means of production and will arrive at their own solutions through creative struggle. No surprise then that the pure socialists support every revolution except the ones that succeed.
- Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and Reds: Rational Fascism and the Overthrow of Communism
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Because most of the shit you just said are straight up lies. Socialism turned a war torn backwards feudal country into a spacefaring world power. People's lives improved immensely (unless they were either bourgeois or some kind of nazi collaborator)
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I’m a leftist, but
101 guide on how to spot an anti-communist
a lot of people were killed and sent to Siberia, like my grand uncles
they most likely deserved it
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like my grand uncles
What crime did your uncles do to get arrested and sent to jail
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Legend says that Stalin aimlessly filled up the prisons and gulags to the point where the streets were essentially empty. Those in prison? Shot dead. After this was done, he sat in a back room, twirled his mustache and laughed maniacally while the communism death toll counter went to work. Further, anyone seen on the street moving was shot on command like the red light green light game in squid game—that’s unfortunately what communism does and why we must fight for freedom and democracy. Note how I didn’t even mention anything about the large spoon he had built to steal all of the grain. There’s not enough time in the world to list the atrocities, but if you do enough research, you’ll be able to find the truth.
You seriously still think communism and the act of distributing resources equally isn’t evil?
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"Why are you so attached to this thing?"
-Guy who'd rather you attack the thing but won't admit it
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work towards a better future according to your ideologies!
My ideology calls for a full restoration of the Soviet Union, the creation of a Soviet America, the creation of the Soviet equivalent for each country, and ensuring every backwards reactionary dipshit gets sent to a reeducation school so they can simultaneously learn technical and life skills they need or want to have a successful and fulfilling life while getting all their anti-communist brainworms pulled out of their skulls.
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I judge every revolution by the results
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I'm not sure which part of This Soviet World I should extract and send in this comment. I guess I'll go for the gulags, chapter 14 in the book. But please! PLEASE! And I know you're a lib, but can you do me this favour: read it, it is a really really good book. It will take a few hours, but it's an easy read. I made an EPUB of it (there is also a link to a PDF scan if you would rather use that).
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I'm a leftist
Leftists are first and foremost anti-capitalists, and the SU was the greatest threat to capitalism in history.
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Hog out or log out.
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This is the dickriding soviet union instance (not quite, but sort of) and we apparently post way too much haha
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Is this number int32 or uint32? Otherwise, if the number of victims of communism reaches 2.147.483.647, it will become negative
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fuck everything else, this guy's spittin. soviets defeated death but used it to do more murder.
Yeah that comment gets the
from me.Deathloop players know this.
Doc... What is wrong with the respawn machine?