Young voters right now overwhelmingly prefer Biden: The Economist/YouGov poll

Young voters are being given really shitty choices.

I wonder when this magical time was where voting for the president had great choices. What many young voters fail to understand is that it’s not all about the president. Get enough Democrats into Congress, and they will be able to vote for progressive legislation, and if you send that to your far-from-ideal president’s desk, they’ll sign it.
It's certainly a much easier task than having an awesome progressive president who begs a near 50-50 Congress to pass good bills, and it just doesn’t happen.
- Get enough Democrats into Congress, and they will be able to vote for progressive legislation,
  We had 60 and they killed the public option. How many do we need?
- People need to study how the Moral Majority took control of the GOP. Nixon was a dead duck after he lost his California Senate race, but he knew that an ex-Vice President was a big deal in small places. He campaigned tirelessly for years, getting lots of Reps, Governors, and Mayors elected. In 1968 he breezed in because he had the Party base on his side.
  The MMs did the same. They would show up at every local GOP meeting with enoughvotes to get their agenda enacted. One day the Party big shots looked around and realized that all the dog catchers, county clerks, and sheriffs in their state were MMs.
- Ok, so we need to force the system to change outside of its normal paths of power to have choices. No one thinks this time existed, everyone understands the current situation is bad.
Yes, this is tradition.
Right? This poll is literally the same as asking young voters if they would rather have their entire heads cut off or just their eyes and ears gouged out.
- What on earth are you talking about? Joe Biden tried to give 20k to each of them who went to college. And he would have if the--let me check my notes here: oh, right--Nazis in the other party hadn't sued to prevent him from giving away money.
  I appreciate that Biden might not be some folks' first choice, but if you think young people believe another four years of Grampa Joe is just barely more tolerable than the deliberate annihilation of the Republic by fascist traitors, you might need to meet one.
- He seems to be doing a pretty good job given his poor circumstances where the Republican house and supreme court are both totally useless.
- Maybe pay attention to what's actually happening rather than just repeating what other people say about him.
  Biden is continuing to seek (and find) pathways to forgiving student loan debt, despite the Supreme Court ruling against his program. Millions of people have had their loans forgiven since that decision, and it seems more are getting it every day.
  Anyone who thinks he's senile or incoherent should listen to the interview he did on Conan O'Brien's podcast that was released the other day. I was surprised that it went so well, and Biden was far more lucid than I've ever seen Trump.
- This...just absolutely this. I was going to post something along the lines of it being a choice between eating shit or being flayed alive, but this is just better. Kudos.

Sure, Biden kinda sucks, but THE ALTERNATIVE IS ACTUAL FASCISM.

I've been saying this for years. It's kind of not really a choice, as much as it sucks. Let's just hope enough people actually turn out to vote
Biden kinda sucks
Lol no he doesnt
- Yeah people catastrophise so badly when it comes to politics. Biden is bland, uninspired and gaff-prone - however, he is a safe pair of hands. Just because a politician does not make you excited does not mean they suck.
- He's a neolib and part of the ruling class. He does kinda suck.
- I mean ... he does. He's not as bad as he's made out to be on most domestic issues, keeping in mind the limited power of the presidency and the fact congress holds the majority of the power. But he's too fucking old. He's made mistakes, and handling Israel with kid gloves is a problem.
  I'm still voting for him because:
  The alternative is a fascist takeover of the government
  It gives us 4 years to push for change, elect leftists, and organize in an environment where were fascists don't hold overwhelming power.
  In 4 years he'll fucking leave office on his own accord. Donald Trump (or his stand-in) absolutely won't.
The alternative would have been a strong primary challenger, in a just world.
Im actually quite worried that Trump will be removed from all ballots by the supreme court and Biden will lose to Hailey.
- I don't think he will get removed from the ballots, at least not in current state. I feel like the argument is going to be the presumption of innocence until proven guilty; an indictment is unfortunately premature. We need to apply the law equally or we'll get Republicans finding every way to do the same... albeit with no arguments for it.
  I'd rather have Biden lose to Nikki Haley instead of Trump. Yes, I know she's a legacy Tea Party candidate, I don't want her, but at least she isn't campaigning on ethnic cleansing and actually criticized R bullshit like TC&J.
like biden's presidency
him and his vice got in office and immediately went back on campaign promises for cannabis, police reform, women's rights, voter rights everything went to the shitter just like trump
now here we are AGAIN
and people screaming just vote HOW? not everyone has that right thanks to politicians like biden
https://truthout.org/articles/a-federal-court-will-decide-whether-atlanta-voters-could-have-a-say-on-cop-city/
cop city is happening under biden's watch too
no difference with either demopublican
- https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/?ruling=true
  Seems like he's only went back on one campaign promise so far. He's compromised on a few, he's working on a third, got stalled on a third and has kept roughly a third.
- Brother there's a mile wide difference between "couldn't keep campaign promises" and "literally running on a platform of 'i will be a dictator for the first day'"
- As a minority who will experience an enormous difference if Republicans win, this outlook is viscerally revolting.
You guys aren't going to convince anyone to vote with the lesser of evils spiel. Shit's gonna get bad and all you had to do was pick a real candidate.
- You guys aren’t going to convince anyone to vote with the lesser of evils spiel
  What do you think happened in 2020?
- Yeah, it's not at all the fault of you idiots who don't understand the realities of a two party system
Literally support ZioNazis commit Genocide
The "alternative" is Fascism.
Biden is a Fascist Nazi already.
- The alternative is a traitor who wants to be a dictator, who paice nazis..... everything points for him to be a nazi, just tell.me, why that nazi traitor is a better alternative?
- Brutal take. Come back in 10 years after you've hit legal voting age.
- How exactly? Give examples.
- Biden has stood with the majority of the Democrats on almost every issue. If the Democrats overwhelmingly wanted to not fund Israel, he would probably stand by them. Unfortunately, most Democrats back Israel even more than Biden.
  The saving grace is that Biden wants to avoid the war turning regional, making him not favor genocide done quickly. Israel can't kick out Palestinians, as its neighbors will attack over the refugees. If Israel directly kills too many Palestinians, the neighbors will also attack. To not get dragged into a war, Biden wants the IDF to occupy Gaza and cause less collateral damage.
  However, Netanyahu doesn't want the war to deescalate, as the public will kick him and his party out once things settle down. He also doesn't want the casualties and cost of occupying all of Gaza, as there would be more IDF fatalities. Reservists were already upset at Bibi, and if they took large enough casualties, even the military might not back him. His best option for maintaining power is to genocide Gaza and hope their neighbors don't attack.
  The US isn't willing to withdraw support from Israel and actually motivate them to stand down. The Judeo-fascists are arrogant fools who think the US deterrent will keep them safe, but they're playing with fire. If they directly piss off Hezbollah enough, or if they force refugees into Jordan and Egypt, or if they escalate with other Iranian backed forces, or if anyone makes a stupid blunder, everyone will pay in blood.

Young voters overwhelmingly prefer the guy who's not actively trying to destroy the future, how shocking!

- Trumps stated first step is to "drill drill drill" so please explain why this isn't an effort to dissuade from the better option?

Which is why republicans are trying so hard to push the idea of not being able to vote until you're much older.

cause they want to cut off the youth vote, because they'd rather disenfranchise tens of millions and get rid of democracy than risk having to change their positions.

The youth vote, the minority vote, the poor vote, the mail-in vote... Really they just don't seem to like the concept of voting altogether
- they only want landed billionaires to vote.

Well it's hardly surprising.

It's like preferring a slice of unbuttered slightly stale bread, to a literal dogshit on a stick, being waved around by others with shit all over their faces, knowing that if they eat enough, you'll have to eat double.

I hear ya. So many would literally eat a shit sandwich if it meant a liberal had to smell their breath.
Eew that doesn't sound hygienic.

I don't particularly prefer Biden, but he's much more preferable than these crazy nazi Republicans running against him

I can vote with my heart in the primary.
I'll vote to win in the general.

Every week it’s a different poll with a different result and a different headline. All I’m learning is that these polls are meaningless.

Not all polls are meaningless. But there are a ton of meaningless polls that get an inordinate amount of attention. And I believe the overall goal of that is to make people think they're all meaningless.
There haven’t been many disasters and the news orgs need the clicks
Man, the level of statistics illiteracy here is out of control. I hope y'all are just literal children that are still in pre-algebra or something.

ITT: right wing Poe's law trolls pretending to be leftists.

Noooo russianpsyop.org told me young people hate Biden now, don't bother voting!
- I hecking looove Genocide! Morals and values? Never had em! Let's stop pretending everyone!
  Don't let the Russian psyop tell you you care about Arab children being bombed they are brainwashing you!!!

Wait, just yesterday young voters didn’t like Biden? I’m beginning to think that maybe the news is all made up 🤪

Liking Biden and voting for Biden can be two separate things.
- This is very true
Still true, no one likes Biden. The alternative just happens to be an evil dictator.
- I don't think that is true. It's like saying you don't like a Honda Accord because Ferraris exist. Sure you want everything, but you'll still appreciate the Accord over the Nike Express.
It's a fallacy of polling. They only had two choices here. The correct interpretation is they prefer him over Trump, but do not like him.
If we had ranked ballot this would be my vote:
John Stewart
A tree stump
Biden
- I don’t like Biden much either, but a tree stump is just unkind. We needed Bernie Sanders, not another TV celebrity. (I do love me some John though)
- .
- Wait.. Tree Stump is running?
Not made up. Just a large population.
I could write an article about how Biden is really a cat and find people on the street to provide quotes for it.
- So you're saying it's not literally made up, but effectively made up?
I read an article earlier this week that actually explains this. They had a result that young people preferred Trump to Biden -- but when they narrowed in on likely voters, it flipped to Biden. They noted that the individuals who preferred Trump tended to not vote in 2020.
Make of this what you will. I'm not entirely sure myself how to interpret this.
- Which is funny, because I read almost the opposite. These people are just making everything up.
There's a difference between voting for him and liking him. He's an awful person but the alternative is Trump, so there's not even as choice there
- Biden is not an awful person. He is a person who has spent a lifetime in politics and high office and has a long record to pick away at. People tend to forget that politics is the art of the possible. People who never compromise are radicals, like the Tea Party people, for example. It makes no sense to bitch about the radicals on the right and then denigrate the centrist. If you have specific criticisms, fine that's fair, but just summing Biden up as "an awful person" is both unwarranted and naive about the nature of politics.

I prefer getting a finger cut off, as opposed to an arm.

Doesn't mean I want to lose my finger.

Regardless of how you feel about the candidates the important thing is to actually vote. Going around and saying "well they both suck" doesn't help anyone.
Not voting then getting the greater of two evils from your perspective is your own fault.
Always vote, even if the news or anyone else tells you the candidate you want is a sure thing, vote even if the candidate you don't want seems like a shoe-in.
- Hillary vs trump was the first election in which I could vote, but I refrained on account of not wanting to vote for a giant douche or a shit sandwich. I will never make that mistake again...
  I'm not a Biden fan, but I voted for him last election and will eagerly do so again this next cycle.
  I also want to point out that the gap between the "lesser of two evils" has turned into the Grand fucking Canyon following trump's attempts to overthrow our government to remain in power, and platforming on literal fascism...
  It's a vote for democracy or neonazi fascism. Period.
- I don't know why the Onus is literally never on our politicians to do better. We always have the threat of some worse force to keep us in line.
- Just like Calarado had done there should be a "none of the above" option.
- Not voting then getting the greater of two evils from your perspective is your own fault.
  I'm no longer entertaining this perspective since people like you never have anything bad to say about people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries. A vote for Biden in the primaries was a vote specifically made to fuck over progressive and leftist efforts. You've got endless energy available to lecture us but none for the people who fucked us over? Pound sand.
You aren't losing a finger, you're being forced to accept that your politics don't align with most of your fellow citizens.
Frederick Douglas couldn't even vote, but he worked for politicians who couldn't promise to end slavery.
- Don't align with most of your fellow citizens that vote, specifically. And they're the only ones that count in this case.

In an ideal world, maybe the votes would be weighed by the expected remaining life span of the voter.

Offset by the expected wisdom of the voter.
- Minus the quotient of easily swayed by social media disinformation idiocy
- If the change in vote numbers on the R side from 2016 to 2020 is anything to go by, it still skews younger voters having more power.
  Imagine being there in 2020 and saying "yeah, I want more of that"
- At least it would keep Republicans out of office

If that's the case, hopefully they get out and vote.

Young people prefer Joe over the guy LITERALLY ADVERTISING TYRANNY AS A FEATURE? What a fucking surprise.

"Prefer" doing a lot of work here

Now actually show up on election day.

We did in 2020. Or do you think Boomers won the 2020 general election all on their own?

That’s cool, as long as they actually follow through and vote when the time comes.

They won't
Do you think Boomers elected Biden in the 2020 general all on their own?

That better future, most regrettably, is human annihilation via climate change.
I truly see, in that aspect, all capitalist candidates as the same.
- Of the candidates, Biden has done the most to combat climate change. The Inflation Reduction Act was the biggest effort we've made so far, and it actually caused European countries to pass similar legislation so that their green energy companies would stay competitive.
  Is the IRA perfect? Absolutely not. We need to do much more. And I trust Biden the most to do so.
  Yes, I trust him more than the Greens. The green party likes to talk a big game but they have no results to show for it -- they could at least compete in local races, and as mayors and state representatives push sustainability policies. They also have no trouble running anti-science, fear mongering candidates who rub shoulders with the most corrupt capitalists in the world.
- We WILL Fix Climate Change! - Kurzgesagt – In a Nutshell
A warmongering, racist piece of shit.*
FTFY
You don't have to pretend biden is good to say he's better than trump.

Well well well. Looks like we finally got a poll that wasn't conducted by people calling a boomer's landline at 2pm.

- There is a distinct possibility the Supreme Court prevents Trump from running with this Colorado case in which case Biden is going to get his butt handed to him by Haley.
  This just sucks.
We got a poll that centrists won't make up stories about in order to dismiss it in vaguely ageist terms.

But would they vote? Young Americans historically have low voter turnout. Problem with youths is that we're all talk and no action.

So Boomers elected Biden in the 2020 general all on their own? Got it.
- 55% of youths voted and 74% of boomers did.

Biden is a great president and best panacea to the ugliness of current politics. Feel free to not like him though. Nothing against polls but it is still far out so even as a Biden supporter I'm not going to wave this poll around like I'm Dean Phillips.

One of the political sites I frequent that keeps track of polling data has a phrase they repeat often "in politics, a week of a long time." It means that a week from now, some scandal or major local/national/world event could occur and the polls from now could be useless.
And if a week is a long time, then 11 months before the election is forever. You might as well poll for DeSantis vs Newsom in 2028. It would be just about as accurate.
By November, there are a lot of factors that could change which could alter the polling figures/voting results. Maybe Trump is convicted. That could drive people away from him or it could strengthen the right as they flock to him to "save" their leader. Maybe once Biden is the official nominee (as opposed to virtually the only candidate officially recognized by the party), Democrats will flock back to him or maybe people will follow through on their threats and refuse to vote in 2024. Maybe in 11 months, Biden will be boosted by a booming economy or maybe something will happen to cause a crash that pulls his numbers down. Maybe the situations in Israel, Ukraine, the border, etc will change to boost or hurt Biden's numbers.
And this is just stuff we know about now. For all we know, the headlines in October of 2024 could be about some major event that we have no clue about now. For example, the headlines in December 2019 were not about a global pandemic. If I was typing this in December 2019, "Trump will be hurt by his response to a global pandemic that shuts down nearly everything" would not have been in my listings."
If Biden is down in the polls in September or October, I'll worry, but I'm not going to worry about polls in December 2023.
He is, unfortunately for his polling, a chief executive that is more involved in production than brand loyalty or celebrity. He's been in government so long he understands how things get done, what he has the power to move, and what he does not. Tilting at windmills is how you fire up a base but it achieves nothing in practical terms. He's a tortoise in a world of hares.
What surprises me is that the pollsters managed to find young voters. Anyone under 35 probably doesn't answer their phone unless they know the number, and they don't even have landlines to call from a published list. This was a web-based survey, which sounds rather self-selecting already.

The kids are alright. Aint nobody younger than 50 who isn't a complete chud falling for that shit again.

Apparently 24%

It's wild how many YouGov polls hit the front page of Lemmy. Regardless if you like the results or not, the polls are worthless trash that means nothing.

If we're going to have a president who backs fascist regimes abroad no matter what, they might as well be less fascist domestically.

The bar is so fucking low.

NYT did a new poll with a likely voter screen and likely voters prefer Biden too.

I mean that's 53%. This demographic is supposed to be the one Biden is relying on to win, so this is a disastrous number.

If the historically absent young vote is the one he's counting on then we're proper fucked.
Like I know this man has been in politics long enough to know that, he's one of the signatures on the magna carta.
- Are you under the impression Biden won the 2020 general election without the votes of any young people?
53% is not disastrous. In polling that isn't head-to-head, that's a landslide victory. It means that no consolidation of any other options will beat the majority. Trump is at 24%, and the rest is scattered with people that are more likely to tip their vote to Biden or not vote.

9% said they wouldn’t vote, but how many actually won’t bother going to the polls?

It’s true that abortion drove out young voters, but I’m interested to see how long that bump goes on for

I believe we'll just get them in the mail here. Should be standard everywhere tbh
Won't bother implies that it's an easy thing to do, but this isn't true of many underprivileged people. Next election will only be worse as restricting people's waterbottle access and eliminating polling stations had just begun during the midterms and hadn't been tested on the biggest scale elections yet.
It’s true that abortion drove out young voters, but I’m interested to see how long that bump goes on for
I'd guess until it becomes clear that Democrats don't intend to fix the problem.
- Except they have been, on a state by state basis, which is really the only legal way besides amending the US Constitution, which won’t happen on this issue.

Claudia De la Cruz for President.

One day it's an article saying young voters are abandonning Biden, next day it's one saying they overwhelmingly support him.

Yup. This is the circus part of the bread and circuses.
In what universe is 53% (against a fascist malignant narcissist manchild, no less!) overwhelming support?
Certainly not this one.
- The one where it's 53% for Biden vs 24% for Trump
- Because it's not 53vs47, but 53vs24.
  Biden has double the support with youth Trump has.
  But one has to wonder where the other % are, not speaking their mind because they have someone with them that requires them to support the other guy or just don't want to go on the record with anything regardless. (and this goes both ways, teens not dare to say they would vote Bidden because the people with them are MAGAts or people that would vote Trump, but are scared to say out loud because they know full well their peers don't agree).
No one on the planet is overwhelming supporting him. The only question if if Trump is scarier. There is no sane reason why DNC won't put forward a better candidate. Why would Biden cling to power and senility instead of bowing out for health reasons. It's Ruth Bader all over again.
- There are extremely good reasons for the DNC to go with Biden: he has already beaten Trump once, and incumbents tend to do well

I think this is always been the case but also young voters don't vote or express their opinions or do anything but jerk off

Hey you can do all of the above at the same time!
- Sir/Madam/Esteemed Individual, please do not jerk off in the polling booth.

Clearly because of the lack of options... Biden and Trump again ey 😵‍💫

trump might not be able to run for president.
but republicans are republicans

29yo and I am definitely voting Biden.

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Young voters overwhelmingly say they would support President Biden over former President Trump in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up if the 2024 presidential election were held today, according to a poll released Wednesday.

A New York Times/Siena College poll released Tuesday showed Trump ahead of Biden by 6 points among registered voters under 30.

Biden and Trump are the current front-runners for the Democratic and Republican parties, respectively.

Recent polls have indicated Biden’s popularity is waning slightly as Trump’s ticks up.

The incumbent held a mostly consistent lead over Trump for the first several months of the year, until mid-September.

The Economist/YouGov poll surveyed 1,336 registered voters, with a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points.

The original article contains 304 words, the summary contains 118 words. Saved 61%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

Now they just have to vote!

But will they be excited - will they turn out?

Well yes. Now add in "Generic Democrat" and watch Biden's numbers drop like they're a 21 year old in their first club.

I hate it when I go to a club and my numbers drop.
- It's the worst right?
53% is fucking abysmal. Christ we're all fucked.
- You don't understand polling. Look again. It's more that twice as high as the next option. 53% is fucking fantastic.
Irrelevant, since he's going to be the one on the ballot.
- That fact alone could still cause a major backlash. The GOP is absolutely readying bad faith attack ads about the lack of a democratic primary. (In reality neither party has allowed an incumbent president to be primaried in decades) They're already running FUD about it, hoping it goes viral.

In a world with such a myriad views how can there be a two party system. It's utter madness.

Meh I reckon Boden at least chills, he knows that the US ain't got shit to prove, they just do whatever they do and try not accidentally sell guns to too many of the wrong people lol

"Yong voters prefer man that can offer a slim hope of a future over man promising to plunge world into darkness."

Like who would vote for a guy saying he wants to be a dictator????

Old people overwhelmingly vote though.

When will we learn that all politicians are shit regardless of color? Guillotine for president 2024!!!

Why choose the lesser evil?
CTHULHU 2024
Is been years since I’ve seen this on a bumper sticker.
Who fuckin knew gwar would be the moral leaders we always needed.
- I'm a gwar fan but don't understand the reference.

That's 2% less for Biden than for Hillary in 2016 and only 3% less for Trump than in 2016.

Good to see the the DNC propaganda machine is still working.

biden the man who helped take voting rights away, did not defend women's rights or anyone's bodily autonomy (why would this catholic defend abortion rights anyways), first day as president went back on campaign promises and fired cannabis users, promised national police reform and did nothing look at Georgia's cop city, minimum wage was a campaign promise that went nowhere

and as soon as you bring this up you get labeled as a trump lover and vilified

this country is totally fucked and is disuniting more by the day just look at the states rights issue federal law is going away in favor of what fifty individual states want to do

well the other guy has rallies where they chant "kill f*ggots, kill all transgenders" so show me a meaningful alternative that doesn't require a full overhaul of both the electorate and the electoral system by next November or I'm voting for Biden
- Its a little infuriating that every Biden criticism is met with "But Trump is bad!".
  Like, yeah, we know, that's why the thought of Biden losing by being a weak candidate scares the shite out of us.
There's a concept in software development called 'shift-left', it means the best time to make meaningful changes and fix problems is as early in the development cycle as possible. The same concept is true in politics. If you're not voting or participating in state/municipal elections, primaries, etc. then you're gonna be stuck with whoever ends up on the 'major' ballots at the end of the cycle.
The presidential election is essentially the 'last resort' and the reality of the situation is that your options are now limited to 2 people who actually have a chance of winning.
So, do you vote for someone who is
Actively trying to harm people
The person who doesn't do all the things you want, but isn't actively trying to tear the country apart, or,
Some rando
The first option is obviously bad, and the third is no different than not voting, and not voting is essentially a vote in favour of the person you want least to win.
What do you do? You vote for the lesser of two evils and get 4 more years to make an impact in the elections that are actually important.
- You vote for the lesser of two evils and get 4 more years to make an impact in the elections that are actually important.
  Like local elections, where the national party will openly support an anti-choice labor-hating NRA stooge if his opponent is a progressive.

The guy who thinks WiFi causes cancer?
- The guy who is doing interviews now defending Israel even harder than Biden ever has? The guy who's most well known for being rabidly anti-vax?
- RFK is nuttier than Trump in a lot of ways
Well, that's one way to have no influence over who gets into the Whitehouse