Go No Further

FACT: 90% of divers give up just before finding something really neat in an underwater cave
- those that find it don't come back because it's just so neat
  
  Then there's another 1% that aren't even part of the original statistic because they're spawned by the pure awesomeness of what's inside that cave.
- Ooo a cool rock! Worth it!! dies
  
  Ooo the remains of a diver that found a cool rock! dies
- Aside from some fish which evolved with no eyes (which is kind of cool), the only other thing you are likely to find down there is a dead body that everyone decided was too dangerous to recover.
- FACT: 99% of gamblers quit just one spin away from a jackpot!

I've played Subnautica. You don't need to warn me about cave diving.
- Are you sure what you're doing is worth it?
- I dunno, the open water can be a bit worrisome too.
- That’s a fact. Salvaging those ship wrecks gave me such anxiety. I died a few times by getting lost.

Theres a good podcasts by stuff you should know on this. A scary thought to me is about kicking up sediment, causing zero visibility and they cant even see their hand in front of their goggles
- I've done training dives in man made quarries under zero visibility conditions. There's no way in hell I'd go into an actual cave under those conditions.
  It was bad enough when you'd almost run into a purposefully placed sculpture or bathtub in that flooded quarry.
  You had to do a scavenger hunt to find stuff to pass your training and it was super disorienting.
  I don't know if PADI still does that sort of thing or if it was unique to my training center conditions but it was wild.
  I'll stick to open water, thank you very much.
  
  Oh those sorts of training conditions absolutely still exist. I got my rescue diving certification in an old quarry much like what you said. Really helps make you appreciate the conditions when out in the Caribbean and you have >100 ft of visibility in every direction.
- New fear unlocked
- This feels like a metaphor for mistakes I've made
- Here is a clip from Donald Cerrone on the Joe Rogan show where he tells a story like this. I really loathe Joe Rogan but this story is fantastic. Nightmare fuel.
  https://youtu.be/or92IMcLoIc?si=0CemG6Qopl_-Bl8d
  I dare you to watch this and not get absolutely freaked the fuck out, lol.
  
  If this is the clip I think it is it’s been the joke of the cave diving community. Cerrone has almost reached meme status for this interview. Watch the Dive Talk video reacting to this clip if you’re curious.
- Caves are also not uniformly shaped, the way you go in could look a lot different on the way out.

i'm confused as to what qualifies as internet funeral now
- Yeah, this place has quickly diluted into "literally any image with text in it."
  
  Internet funeral funeral
  
  https://lemmy.world/post/6938042
- meirl
- Yeah, this one is very clearly a cave funeral

There's nothing in this cave worth dying for
That's precisely what someone would say if there's stuff worth dying for in there.
- Nazi gold here I go dive!

- You took it further than I would. I'd listen to the sign these days, but there was absolutely a time that, that sign would have just been a challenge.
  Edit: for you grammar nerds. Do I need that comma? It seems like it should be there, but it also seems superfluous at the same time.
  
  With the "that, that" the comma helps, but you actually don't even need the second that for that sentence to make grammatical sense.
- You son of a bitch, I'm in!

If those spelunkers could read, they'd be very upset.

Yeah but that's for other people, not me.
- Right? I haven't died yet!
  
  Clearly! Here you are posting comments on Lemmy, a sure indication of un-deadedness.

109 billion people have died outside of underwater caves. I'll take my chances.

There’s nothing in this cave worth dying for
There’s nothing outside it to live for. Show me the damn cave

The best part about underwater cave diving is that you don't have to go!
- You have to ignore many different warnings to even get to the area youre not supposed to be in! First and foremost, humans by design do not breathe water, therefore we have no reason to be under water.
  
  humans by design do not breathe water
  I don't know how you can just go around making claims like this without a source. I'll give you 10 minutes to provide me five peer reviewed research papers that assert your claim.

But what if there really is something valuable, wouldn't they put a sign just like this to prevent people walzing in?
- Just so we're clear, your argument is that there really might be something in there that would make being dead worthwhile?
  
  Oh yeah it could be something really cool
- If there was something valuable, wouldn’t they have already gotten it by now?

I believe this is one of the caves at Ginnie Springs. If so, I know a guy who died in there. Cave diving is no joke.
- https://youtu.be/or92IMcLoIc?feature=shared
  I know it's Rogan but the guy telling the story about what he went through makes you want to stay on dry land.

Okay, they almost had me convinced. But the second to last sentence is just crying out for a treasure.
- That's a good point. If I was hiding treasure in an underwater cave, I'd wanta sign like this at the entrance. It'd keep it out most of those medeling kids.
- I kinda wanna know what's in there now...

Farther is the correct word, and has been confused with further for so long (over a hundred years), that they both mean exactly the same thing nowadays, so not sure why people are taking issues with it.
Unless I'm missing something?
- I don't see any comments of people taking issue with it. But words do mean things, and some people like to speak with precision.
  
  Words apparently don't mean things anymore, Merriam Webster added a new definition for "literally" this year
  
  The title correcting it to further is what caught my attention, but no, I'm not seeing people taking huge issue with it either.
  And there's nothing wrong with being correct, I like to be eloquent too.
  I was just saying farther is just as correct as further, and found it interesting is all. They may have been misused a hundred years ago, but not for a long long time, they have identical meanings nowadays!

What’s so dangerous that it was able to kill instructors? Sediment and visibility?
- Basically yes. Once you go inside a cave like this, it gets dark real fast. You can't tell where "up" is and you can't find your way back. So these people often drown or suffocate.
  In cave dive training, you learn how not to do that.
- It's dark so requires torches (more than one as a backup) and very easy to get disoriented. You can easily get lost and run out of air. Risk of being blinded by silt even with a torch, leading to more risk of disoriented and getting lost. If anything goes wrong such as equipment malfunction then you don't have the option of going to the surface as you do in open water (albeit with the risk of a bend). It's often cramped with places to get stuck, snag equipment, or get tangled in your guideline. There are sharp rocks you can hit your head on.
- Correct, with no visibility it's very hard to orient yourself
- I reckon it was all the water that killed them
- Cave diving is a completely different skill set than open water diving. While they both are underwater with diving tanks, cave diving takes specialized skills.
  
  A very specific set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you
- "There are older and fouler things than Orcs, in the deep places of the world..."
  --Gandalf

Am I the only one for whom prefacing a statement with "FACT", makes said statement less credible?
- Fact: Bears eat beets
  
  Well they are omnivorous.
- FACT: ArcaneGadget thinks this statement is less credible.
  
  508 FATAL ERROR! Paradox loop detected, rebooting...

"Go No Farther"
- Why have you forsaken me? In your eyes forsaken me In your thoughts forsaken me In your heart forsaken me, oh
  
  Badabadabadabada Table.
  
  Truuuuuuuuuusssssstttt iinnnnn myyyyyyy
  
  Can definitely hear this comment.

They've convinced me. I'm going in.

Not being a diver at all, what sort of “cave equipment” is this alluding to?
- Off the top of my head, rope to put down Gide lines in case you get silted out so you have something to follow to get out.
  Also extra everything, if your open water diving and you run out of air (or other critial equipment failure) you can roll the dice on the bends by going straight to the surface, not so with cave diving; your just going to drown.
  
  If I'm not wrong so many people got oxygen poisoning in there and got confused with their path where they came in and out then went in deeper instead of going out when the tank almost empty
- torches, iron pickage, some cooked beef, iron armour, 16 logs
  
  I think a water breathing potion would also be appropriate, either that or water affinity+breathing and/or turtle helmet
- I'm not a caver or a diver, but I've read a few stories about cave diving. A big one is a cable on a retracting reel. Caves which are frequently explored will have guide cables bolted along the walls for long stretches. You snap your cable onto these and then use it as a leash back to the guide. This allows you to explore off a certain distance without getting lost. You can always follow your own line back to the guide, and follow the guide back out. In an "unimproved" cave, you'd presumably want lots of extra line to build your own guides.
- Multiple torches, a helmet, guide line, maybe side mounted cylinders.

Well, I'm convinced.

They just want to keep it all to themselves.

The number of people who have died in this particular cave is less than 300, sounds safe enough to me
- They mean all known deaths in sea caves.

Don't stinkin tell me what to do. Or not do. You aren't the boss of me.
- Right! This gets me so hosed.

If we're serious about keeping people alive, that sign seems to be about the size of a good fence or wall they could have also installed. Just sayin.
- That'd be pretty disruptive to wild life and anyone with the expertise to go in
  
  I had not thought of the wildlife, but the sign makes it pretty clear nobody should go in.
  
  It’s common for land caves. They put on a gate that allows bats but not humans, and access can be gained by appointment.
- I mean - it's underwater and in a cave
  
  Fair point. It just seemed like full effort for a half measure, but I'm not exploring caves at all so what do I know?
- It's more like those signs in the edge of the Australian outback telling you there's no gas for 600km or the signs on that crazy ass island in The Great lakes with the 300 ft tall sand face.
  Lots of people are capable and go there and enjoy themselves. The warning signs probably save at least a few people some serious trouble
- Ive been on hikes and watching assholes climb fences to go to dangerous zones "for a picture".
- Or they could ban leaving home because people can get injured outside.
  
  Ah, yes, the slippery slope argument. Can't have a safety barrier up or else we'll all end up locked in our homes by the nanny state.

Is it farther or fürer? I am confused
- Farther relates to distance, fürer is a definition of degree.