Americans, what are your plans if Trump wins in 2024?
Americans, what are your plans if Trump wins in 2024?
Americans, what are your plans if Trump wins in 2024?
I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Absolutely
i'll worry about it if and when it happens. i have wasted too much time, energy and resources worrying and catastrophizing about things i cannot control.
Not a bad idea to consider a plan though. If you'd want to move away, that's a major decision that is best made through research and deliberation, not in a fearful rush to escape.
So in other words, you plan to let yourself and your family be killed so you can feel better.
The "stick head in sand" method has become extremely popular and it is a serious problem.
What the fuck can I do? Just be even more depressed about the state of the country
Not everyone has the luxury of uprooting their lives when a fascist comes.
Yeah, few actually moved away when Biden was placed into power
LET'S BURN THIS MOTHER DOWN!
I’ll get the kerosene
I’ll sigh, shake my head, and think, “That figures”. And then I’ll go to work, like every other day.
This but perhaps crippling depression as well.
Voting is important, I also like to think about other tangible ways to build power - like what is power? It's being able to eat, having a place to live, having healthcare, saying what I want, associating with who I want, deciding how I spend my time.
I think about how the Mondragon complex, probably the largest worker cooperative in the world, started in Franco's Spain, and turned one of the poorest regions into one of the wealthiest.
I'd like to think I would stay and work to gain more power for myself and my peers - I want to stay and join/start a worker cooperative. I want to see a massive ecosystem of worker owned enterprises, which will translate to tangible power. Getting organized means being better able to fight off the kind of oppression Trump promises.
Lose my last shred of faith in this country, mostly
Looool look at this guy, he still has some faith left
Kicking him out did restore a nonzero amount yes.
Well, I've got some rope, a candlestick, a revolver, a lead pipe and a nice knife; I wanted to keep my options open.
We playing Clue?! I'll be Prof. Plum!
A typical Fallout loot inventory
How does one off themself with a candlestick
I already moved. It's not just Trump that's the problem, and even if he loses in 2024, or does in office, the issues still will persist. America needs to figure out how to make the judicial system work properly and norms need to be codified. Vast swaths of the population need to change their culture of "us vs them".
I won't be going back, the way things work with Republicans, you can't just move to a blue state, you have to move out of the country.
Where'd you land, out of curiosity?
Great solution
Voting.
Local. State. Federal. Like I always have. I also moved out of a "shithole" state in the words of our treasonous former president.
With China having a severe gender imbalance and a massive generation (age) imbalance, it's going to cause all sorts of problems for them soon. Big, big fucking problems. And Russia just had all their young men flee, die stupidly, or decide Russia might not be the best place after they've released shittons of violent offenders, lol. Russia's future looks dim at best. Iran isn't looking too healthy either.
So the bottom line is this: no matter where you go, you aren't outrunning a shift to a multipolar world, especially one where resources like fresh water and food will be getting more scarce as climate change fucks the world and countries get more desperate, particularly authoritarian ones that are losing a tenuous grip on their people. That shit always causes wars, because humans are too fucking stupid to prioritize science in any other context.
Countries with democracy and immigration and the means to defend themselves and their friends are your best bet. Our fate and your own fate are intrinsically linked because of that.
to continue to live my life
How, when being targeted, jailed or killed under fascism?
Usually I'd grab my bucket of popcorn and watch another 4 years of the shitshow that is US politics.
Unfortunately, this time the same kind of shitshow is happening across the pond in quite a few countries (not just the usual eastern ex-soviet states), including my country. Populist morons fueled by the Trump, Bolsonaro, Le pen, Orbán cookbook.
People are eating this up on social networks and voting for them. I feel it's going to get real nasty.
Yeah! What's so delightful about things is how the U.S. tends to kind of set the climate for the politics in the west. The nazi party here in Sweden wasn't doing bad per se, but after Trump's victory they skyrocketed! They became the second biggest party last election, beating out the milquetoast bourgeoisie for the first time ever.
Believe Italy has the same issue currently. Lovely stuff.
Mind you I'm not blaming the U.S., it's just that big headlines over there tends to colour ours too.
It's just a little bit of History repeating
Not just western countries, either. You even see countries like China and Russia devolving too, collecting power, raising to the poverty index to make it look like russians aren't starving, making term limits virtually indefinite, jailing opponents.
Only thing is that they've got a head start on making bad decisions, China since 2012, Russia since the 00s.
I imagine a number of famous people will talk about how they're moving to Canada, and don't.
Set up monthly donations to the ACLU and Planned Parenthood, volunteer as a PP escort, open up my (Illinois) home to women and families who need to travel for reproductive healthcare.
This isn't off the top of my head, my spouse and I discussed it years ago, before the previous election.
Hehehe PP escort.
Same as I've been doing since he won last time. Stay in my more liberal home state, extend understanding to friends and relatives who live in conservative states, extend invitations to the few who might need to move to keep themselves safe. Keep donating and volunteering with the organizations I've been supporting.
I have a friend who is thinking about seeking asylum in the US. I have encouraged her to weigh her other options; there are other countries where she has friends and family that might be more welcoming to her. If Trump gets elected, I'm not sure she'll even have a viable path to the US.
With that group of asshats it all depends on one important criteria for your friends acceptance:
Fortunate enough to also have EU citizenship, so I've already made arrangements to leave the country in that case. Will keep voting from overseas, though.
Inb4 voting from overseas becomes illegal as a result of some rage filled GOP bill about illegals
Republicans are trying their damnedest to make voting illegal and/or overly burdensome even within the United States, so good luck there.
Why would you leave because of this though?
continue being annoyed by the level of corruption and incompetence of the US ruling class while existing in a visibly collapsing empire.
Its a time honored american tradition to shoot someone wearing red clothing thats trying to tell everyone what to do
Not Santa!
Probably get sent to a concentration camp. Dunno if California will secede from the union to preserve human rights, if it comes between secession or letting the DHS collect all our immigrants and non-trad women.
Nah California won't leave. It is about power structure. Since leaving has no chance of success no one running things will go along with it.
Yeah, you're right. What I can see California do, assuming it wants to stay a progressive bulwark, is act like Texas when Texas is feeling independent, and start asserting legal resistance to its contribution to federal revenues. Also, the legalization of cannabis is getting pushed through independent states unwilling to enforce federal law or cooperate with federal law enforcement. California may just do that, forcing the federal government to send its agents to do its own policing.
This is going to be an interesting civil war.
What nonsense. Do you actually believe in those fantasy hysterics?
Nothing I can do. Just do my best to finish out at college (assuming financial aid is still a thing) and move out of the country ASAP.
Move out of the country, *and still have to pay taxes 😂
A lot of countries have tax treaties with each other as long as they're in good standing with each other, so that people only need to pay tax in one country (in the case where one maintains citizenship in one country while working in another). Unless you're making a shit ton of money to the point you're subject to different rules, it's highly unlikely you'll be double taxed
Be a constant reminder to my neighbors to avoid authoritarianism. Continue to push for self and local community reliance. Keep pushing my local governments and organizations to remain or become more inclusive.
Something new though? Maybe support an inclusive civics focused militia near me, if for no other reason so that marginalized people can feel like they have a community that will really fight for them or at least help them defend themselves if things really get that bad.
Donations to the ACLU. They seem like the best bet for the hardest fight of preserving the rights of immigrants. Among all the other things, they have to defend against as well.
Being an immigrant I'll likely have my plans made for me.
If it makes you feel better I have sheltered immigrants from deportation twice and since you never see one of anything in life there probably are more people like me out there.
Buy a gun, I guess?
The time to buy a gun is before the fascists arrive at your door.
Don't forget to train too!
Why not go ahead and buy one today?
Send him Big Macs every single day and wait for him to have a heart attack.
I'm a queer immigrant so flee. I'm not sticking around for whatever comes after that unless we somehow get a significant majority in Congress
I don't blame you. Start your plan early so you don't have any doors shut on you.
My boyfriend is Swiss, and there's been a loose open conversation over where we'd want to end up settling long-term. A second Trump term would definitely add several points in the Switzerland column.
Start doing whatever I can to keep your conservatism out of canada
Bro, I got bad news for you, coming straight from Alberta...
As a Minnesotan... You guys got any room for another province? We've got this Minnesota nice thing, hot dish, and the mayo clinic.
Don't listen to them Canada, it's just a casserole with a disarming accent. Absorb Washington instead, we've got chicken teriyaki and won't talk your ear off.
Wish I could say that I'd move to another country, but realistically I can't afford that. I'd guess I'd live life as normal but I'd always be paranoid at the increased risk of violence against trans people.
blaming the president for the actions of random people definitely makes sense to me
Make sure I have enough meds and reach out to friends to make sure they're safe and are able to get their HRT.
Get their Homeroom Teacher?
No, but you're close. Get their HeiRloom Tomato.
Win or lose we're buying guns.
Do so now before prices spike. Keep in mind, there is a high learning curve with firearms. Even the simple safety rules require practice to make them unbreakable habits.
There are 4 safety rules that if you follow you will never have an issue. If you can't follow these 4 simple rules, maybe rethink having a firearm.
Don't forget ammo, training, and proper storage
Underground railroad for repressed minorities to escape.
I would be surprised if he wins. It really feels like his time has passed. But if he does I will use resistbot to its fullest capacity.
I don’t think there will be a presidency after him if he does though. I think people generally underestimate the violence it will bring.
Not to mention, they are very used to making poor decisions (see: invasions of Afghanistan & Iraq) and also not fighting back when their elections are stolen or interfered with. (See: Brooks Brother Riot and Trump election)
Good luck dummies!
TIL about resistbot
Same, link for anyone interested
Lettters to reps are valuable, in the "we got ten for and a hundred against" sense, but I would love to have more tangible ways to make a difference.
Youre right about the violence if he does, but I think its much more likely than anyone wants to admit. I'll be extremely and pleasently surprised if he doesnt win with the way the wind is blowing
I wouldn't be surprised. He doesn't exactly have the strongest opponent. I like to look at prediction markets to get an idea of what the odds are, and it looks like the gamblers currently think there's only a 52% chance of a Democrat winning the presidency. But, it's really hard to tell what will happen right now. Trump, Biden, or both could die before the election. We may begin a recession. OPEC is cutting oil production, with some people hypothesizing it is to influence the U.S. election. Russia and other countries will likely ramp up disinformation like we've never seen before, powered by the new AI bots and deepfake technology.
Continue living in not America. Continue, as an overseas voter, to vote for things I believe in. Do everything I can to get ranked choice to be a thing everywhere and otherwise eliminate the firat-past-the-post bullshit that exists today
Do everything I can to get ranked choice to be a thing everywhere and otherwise eliminate the firat-past-the-post bullshit that exists today
Would you do this part regardless of who wins?
Yes. The first-past-the-post and weird two-party thing going on in the US is awful and needs to be gone. There are potentially other solutions, but ranked-choice voting seems to be a good start. There are whole rabbitholes about the electoral college, proportional representation, and other things to get into, but my coffee hasn't kicked in yet this morning.
Honestly I have no idea. I live in the midwest and I am rather poor, so I imagine I will just start hording canned food and glare at people through the curtains like usual
Hurry and buy a new graphics card before the prices go crazy again.
Underrated answer. Feels like we see a lot of price fixing under that guy's watch.
Edit: I don't mean to minimize the damage that guy does. But I think there's value in remember that he'snobody's allly.
Don't forget to stock up on masks and toilet paper while you're at it.
Just keep going about my daily life. The result of the election is not going to change where I live or where I work. The Federal Government doesn't have much of an impact on my day to day life, beyond federal laws and regulatory agencies. I don't see those changing in an (immediately) catastrophic way. Most of my day to day life is determined by my state and town government.
Right. All the folks who have a strong opinion on the presidency probably don’t know who thier rep is in the state congress.
Nor could most Trump fans (or detractors, tho a higher percentage of them could I guess) tell one executive directive from the next or even tell me where they are kept.
I've been visiting English speaking countries and kind of scouting where might be a good option if America had a serious issue. Canada would be my first choice because of proximity and shared values. New Zealand #2, then probably UK or Ireland.
I'm a cybersecurity professional with a lot of experience and I hope that would be welcomed in most countries but idk. I don't want to move, and would stick around for a bit to see initially how things go but if it kicks right back to 2020's level of insanity I'm 100% out.
The braindrain will be noticeable. It feels a bit like all the famous Jewish scientists that Germany would have proudly claimed as citizens except for that Germany would have killed them before they accomplished anything.
Hopefully, this will be nothing like that. But Trump has supporters. It blows my mind, but they are numerous. In terms of polling, Trump's dictator talk isn't old news yet. I have some hope that polling might show that it spooked some supporters.
Just preempt some replies, please note when someone expresses "some hope", telling them that they're likely wrong isn't exactly insightful.
Fwiw it has spooked my traditionally conservative parents, they don’t follow politics much but as the GOP has moved further and further right it’s pretty much driven them away. So while anecdotal they have always sort of acted as the pulse of the nation (to me) for that demographic. I seriously don’t think he’ll win again but I would never bet on it.
Cybersecurity is definitely in demand in Canada but we are also going through a housing affordability crisis and generally our tech salaries are lower in compared with the US. You would almost certainly be taking a step back in standard of living unless you swing a remote work situation from a US employer.
I think I’d be taking a step back in any country besides the US, I think. In Canada the people are fantastic and hockey is everywhereso I think that makes up for it in a few ways . My honest only real concern is US instability also eventually affecting Canada too. So might make sense to be further away.
I don’t want to move though largely like my life in the US as is at the moment.
Hey, I also am (becoming) a CyberSecurity professional. What are some entry level positions I should go to with a degree?
Studying cybersecurity helps, but you're not likely to get a job in cybersecurity until you have had multiple years of experience in development in a software company, from my experience in the US in the tech industry.
I hope somebody directly within the cybersecurity field can recommend a specific career path, but my anecdotal experience is that you have to work a few years before you will be considered for something security related.
It's good to learn your security concepts, schooling should help with that. After that, I would gravitate towards learning the security around newer commercially viable but immature technology and seek positions around that area whether in security or not. To me, if I was just starting out I'd look towards AI and Machine Learning, which isn't a very unique answer but probably the correct one for the fastest advancement in this path. Learn the different types of models, learn what kind of attacks their susceptible to, the security controls and mitigation techniques for defending these systems. It changes frequently, pay attention to Github's trending section to see where the tech world's focus is as a decent barometer of where things are heading (not necessarily where things currently but going towards).
Overall security is needed everywhere so get a taste of a lot flavors and see which ones you like best, you'll likely be able to find a job there.
We all understand he can in no way actually be allowed to retake that office again, correct? I don't give one flying fuck if he wins, or not. He cannot under any circumstances be allowed.
How is that going to work? January 6th two.. electric.. storming the capital...?
It would probably need to be a military-backed coup that goes along with a serious majority backing.
I was honestly more worried that to sesatans would hold his shit together and manage to get Trump to endorse him, transferring the QAnons and moderate Republicans into a relatively strong voting force, while Biden is digging his heels in on Israel, It would be particularly damning.
But, Trump, I feel that we can mobilize pretty well against him. Especially with him doubling down on racist tirades and dictator day one stuff.
How fascist of you
Maybe it is. But he's even more fascist, and will have a global effect. It cannot happen under any circumstances. That man is fucking comic book villain evil.
I’m gonna pack all my bags and change nothing about my life.
Same. Plan for the worst, but expect business as usual. Always a good idea to have preparations already made in the event that you need to gtfo on a moment's notice. With all the natural disasters that occur in my area, it's kind of a necessity, so I don't even need the excuse of "What if Trump does a Night of the Long Knives?" to have a bag ready to go.
Chances are I'll just be avoiding politics for four years so I won't have to listen to the daily gaffes, blunders, and scandals.
Well since I've been very vocally liberal and anti-Trump over the past 8 years or so, I suspect I'll end up dying in a labor camp.
I don't have the means to get out of the county beforehand or I'd already be out, and I think there's effectively no country that's going to be willing to take political refugees from the United States afterwords, so I'm pretty well fucked.
If you honestly think the US under Trump is going to put liberals in labor camps despite watching his whole first term flounder on anything that wasn't already galvinized by the GOPs platform I think you need to watch less sensationalized news.
My concerns are generally not Trump as a person, but rather that his handlers are more organized and prepared. As an individual I think DeSantis is much more concerning, as far as actually implemented policy that is in effect and damaging today, and he's also going to be around for a long time.
I don't think liberals are going to labor camps any time soon, but life could be much more difficult for many marginalized groups as conservatives seek out the new boogyman now that abortion doesn't work as well.
Try not to slip on all that piss you're constantly wetting yourself with
don't worry too much buddy, the worst that can happen is your political view gets relentlessly strawmanned, treated as an attack on freedom, and most of the internet will find it acceptable to openly mock, ridicule, and threaten you for your beliefs and overexaggerate the candidate most closely associated with your point of view (whether true or not) as an unstable hateful fascist dictator, as well as adopting the most dramatic persecution complex possible, whining that their election will result in your shunning and death.
Oh wait...
Live in denial while our country crumbles around us.
We excel at doing fuck nothing when things are falling apart around us.
"As long as others are having a harder time, then we're doing alright"
Don't worry, it already is.
And when it's not crashing down, it's funding ethnic cleansing in foreign countries instead. Gotta keep the combo going.
I'm praying for a convenient lightning bolt, or the human equivalent, to take him out. Honestly, a massive heart attack would do.
Don't make him a martyr.
Okay, he falls down the steps and breaks his neck. And shits himself loudly the whole way.
I will legit try to find countries with constitutions and parliaments that I could relocate to to live and work. The American constitutional Republic will be over if Trump becomes President again.
He'll certainly start his retribution with the big fish of anti Trump people and organizations, but it won't take long for it to "trickle down" to everyday people as well.
I'm lucky enough that it's feasible for me to find work in my field outside the US. Others aren't so lucky.
Ireland's pretty decent if it comes to it. Culturally reasonably similar, English speaking and most importantly, not England.
Only messing, neighbours ;)
Continue on as a wage slave hoping to get like a couple weeks vacation eventually.
If it happens and I'm still in this hell hole probably just die.
Depends on what he does. Since I'm in the least likely demographic to be targeted (hmm, unless they start going through political groups I've been a member of), probably the same as I'm doing now. If it looks like there will be a civil war, I'd probably try to leave the country, but I guess that'd be too late, and I think a civil war is unlikely. I don't think many people would be willing to give their lives for... the Democratic party? I think the U.S. will become more like Russia (fake elections in red states [ensuring the Republican party the presidency and congress forever], more brutal police oppression, erosion of rights, opposition leaders falling out of windows, and encouragement of vigilante "justice" against whoever the "enemy" is at the time). I think protests and riots would be the most people would do, and they'd likely be met with increasingly deadly force.
Since covid, I make sure I keep a few months of non-perishables and water on hand in case of temporary supply chain disruptions, and I have plenty of wood to heat or cook with if needed. If there is a severe economic downturn (which is likely to happen in the unstable environment Trump would provide), and I couldn't find another well-paying job, I'd probably lose my home for not being able to pay my mortgage though.
I haven’t kept 3 months of supplies myself but I keep a list of people that do and that’s almost as good.
Lol. Yeah, I don't consider myself a "prepper," and am not preparing for collapse, or any violence really. Just temporary supply chain disruptions so I don't have to rely on others, the government, and perhaps help my neighbors if they're desperate enough to want my rice, beans, pasta, and canned food :) I've built up a 3 month supply of food over a year or so by just buying double of everything that I need, and when I notice I'm getting low on something, I buy quite a bit more. Water is from rainwater harvesting barrels that I normally use for watering my landscape plants and gardens in the summer.
Luckily I'm already out of the country but I don't think will go well if that happens.
Every now and then I have to remind myself that America was founded by religious nutjobs and colonized by industrialists.
Organize more and harder.
Maybe do that now
No joke- moving to Canada. Arrwngements are already made. We live 2-3 hours away as it is, so it wouldn’t be a huge change for us.
But at the same time, it also will be a huge change. You'll be reading about things happening in another country.
Right? Hopefully it won’t have to happen, but if America is willing to elect a twice impeached rapist that’s got almost 40 criminal indictments- then I have no intention remain a part of it.
Same here. No healthcare, gun control, college, homes. For being the supposed “Best country on Earth “ it sure does suck ass.
I live in a very conservative place in the south where even the queer people are here pretty conservative hopefully he doesn't win... Didn't think I needed to spell it out until I remembered the people I live around so yeah I guess it makes sense 🥲
Part of me thinks we get what we deserve.
Except it's not we. The majority's vote is overruled by the electoral college.
Same as if Biden wins in 2024.
Or, assuming that one of them has a heart attack or something before then, Nikki Haley or Kamala Harris or whoever.
Just die I guess
The same shit I did today
Lisbon, though we have some other ideas. We went through the process of research and consideration a few years ago and were seriously going to move. We didn't and are glad for that, and glad to have gone through that process in case we decide to leave.