Which of your favorite creators content quality went downhill very quickly?
Kind of a trend, the amount of youtubers who i had loved but their content became generic after gaining popularity is quite a bit, most drastic one being mrwhosetheboss, his uniqueness went down faster than MH27 MH17
Not exactly the question, but there's no way I can enjoy Internet Historian now that we know he's a Nazi.
Oh shit. He's a Nazi? Fuuuuck. I thought he was just a plagiarizer.
Unfortunately not:
https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/18dotzf/internet_historian_is_a_nazi/
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but yeah. Sorry for the reddit link but that's where a lot of the info is aggregated.
Well fuck.
Anyone else I can watch instead?
This sucks. I really liked his content.
I'm right there with ya, bud.
His videos never really clicked on me
Linus Tech Tips.
They were pretty good in the beginning but the drive to create more and more output diminished the quality of the individual vids. Hence, the latest controversy.
To be fair, they dragged their feet on addressing it, sure, but then took massive steps to address it when they did. Top-to-bottom company-wide analysis and restructuring, limiting Linus' role and voice, a complete moratorium on releasing videos while they made plans to slow the release output, and refocusing on quality-control with additional community input. Totally get if you still don't like their videos, but I think they did everything possible to address everyone's concerns.
I actually like the WAN Show podcast more than their videos. I think you get a sense for their genuineness and passion as they discuss current tech news...
Still waiting on the internal investigation results.
Did Linus ever really apologize for the "we didn't sell the prototype we auctioned it" comment. I only saw him make excuses about miscommunication (blaming the company that lent the prototype). Or apologize to Gamers Nexus for saying they didn't do "real" testing?
I only saw a long corporate speak "we will do better" video.
It's easy to dunk on LTT but they came back pretty strong after the controversy. It seems like marketing got the shaft and the engineers are way more free to spend time on their stuff.
LTT is one of the only ones that cuts the over spec PSU and Mobo bullshit when doing PC builds, when others are wasting all the budget on non gaming stuff.
Linus is VERY technically informed these days.
over spec PSU
I've been building "over spec" since RTX 20XX came out because they keep tripping even platinum PSUs from good brands. I have seen it with 30XX and 40XX GPUs too. This doesn't usually show up in test loads because they have a consistent load, it's the intermittent gaming loads that cause transient spikes. Some new PSUs are built to take the spikes but many are not.
Linus Tech Tips .....
Click baity as heck and most of the content are just ads or have misleading information.
At this point, how many different ways can you build a PC then benchmark it, all the while shitting on top tier equipment like it's for brokeasses? You made a server and put the highest capacity drives in it you could afford? Cool bro.
The clickbait is what gets me.
The video is covering the Toughbook CF-19 but it's not mentioned in the title and the thumbnail looks like generic YouTube trash and makes me not want to watch it out of principle.
Unfortunately, the stupid thumbnail and clickbait title is by design. Linus has spoken about this long before the latest controversy, but unfortunately they do increase views.
I'm fact, they trial different titles and monitor which brings in more views - if you catch a video early enough, you'll probably notice the title change a few hours later as they trial different ones. So as frustrating as it is, it's a symptom of the platform and the market at large.
For all of Linus' flaws and mistakes, he's generally a good businessman and make no mistake, LMG is a business at the end of the day. Put yourself in his shoes, is he going to do the thing that will get him 1,000 views but put off 1 person, or appeal to that 1 person but lose 1,000 views? It sucks, he been vocal about how much he also hates it, but it is what it is. His goal is to grow his business, at least he's up front about it.
I'm not completely defending Linus as an individual here, he's definitely fucked up a lot (especially lately), he still thinks he's a "little YouTuber" and doesn't appreciate how much sway he has, how his words can destroy an entire business overnight - the very thing his own company was nearly hit by several times in the past when he was small - but the clickbait and thumbnails aren't something I think he should be blamed for, he's just playing the YouTube game and if I was in his position, I'd do the same.
DeArrow can fix those
and theft, and lies.
don't forget the theft and lies.
And wasn't there someone who was involved there who later made claims of sexual harassment/discrimination?
I was never a big follower but that was enough to get me to banish the channel from my homepage.
I just got tired. Stopped enjoying the videos as much, and when the last big controversy happened, I realized I only watched them out of habit and not for entertainment or even the info they gave out (if it could even be trusted).
Nowadays if I need straight data or a good review I go to Gamers Nexus. Dont need a forced meme every other minute to enjoy what could be a well constructed and informative video.
That's what happens when you base your entire business model coming up with new video ideas to make money.
Agreed. They are supposedly working to fix the misleading info and quality control, but the damage has been done for me. I stopped watching them a long time ago
I've watched their content, practically from the inception of Linus' own channel. It used to be a really nice outlet for info, because he'd open up products, and actually show useful details during an unboxing. Over the years, I've unsubbed from all of their channels, minus the main one, but when the drama dropped, that was the last drop for me. I totally get entertainment, but not when it's fueled by harassment, gross negligence, drama, and "hot takes about the hard R". Everything is scripted and corporate. It doesn't feel enjoyable anymore
Clickbait ≠ Clicky titles.
Say what you want but their videos aint bait and switch.
They sure are borderline there though.
non-ad videos are still decent-ish... definitely not as fun tho...
Sabine Hossenfelder, used to love her takes on physics until she fell in the usual expert's trap of believing she can talk equally usefully about things OUTSIDE her expertise.
First trans care, which missed a few important nuances. Then autism, which had a decades-old perspective and was at best "not informative".
Then hoo boy Capitalism where she made a huge tangled MESS confusing and conflating markets with monetary systems and credit, all apparently based off half-remembered textbooks from 1950 using long-disproven historical claims.
A lot of criticism was sent her way. None was acknowledged, or apparently taken to heart. Repeatedly.
From skillfully presenting physics with a "explain it like I'm 5" style, she's now spouting any trending topic in a "explained by a 5 year old" style.
This was such a disappointment, I really liked her explanations of quantum physics.
This, JFC so much this. The trans care thing was a serious blow to my interest in her videos. That capitalism BS. That killed it dead. Didn't finish that video, haven't watched since. Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
To be fair, I think her reputation might still be salvageable. But it would take sincere apologies, earnest corrections, and getting back in her ”lane” of experience. As a physicist she's fine, but not so much as a physician or politician.
She's always been a weird nerdy lady, but endearing. Her videos were never professional, a bit tacky, but very informative. But I too dropped her channel because she started talking about nonsense she had no business giving opinions about.
Sounds like something i would like (and can use) will probably check some of her older vidoes
I also feel she's more and more contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.
I used to watch iilluminaughtii several years ago, probably because I've been grabbing popcorn and enjoying watching someone dunking on multi-level marketing since, uh, 90s at least. Then I watched some video that was about some topic that I was kind of in middle of a deep dive, too (I can't remember which exactly. Elan School, probably?). And the video was bland as hell. And then I was like "yeah, most of these other videos are kind of forgettable shallow pap too".
...and this year we found out about the whole landlordy corporate town fancier backstabby financial abuser helicopter-CEO situation. And the content mill situation. And the plagiarism thing. Can't forget the plagiarism thing. ...I was like, "oh this all just makes sense now."
Illuminaughtii was getting pushed into my feed so hard right before everything went down that I've started to cast side-eye on anyone that the algorithm starts to push hard.
On the plus side, I found Cruel World Happy Mind because of all the awful stuff Illuminaughtii did to her.
her podcast (which is just the audio of her videos) keeps getting pushed to my Spotify feed. I don't even use Spotify for podcasts nor I even listened to her at all on said platform. She must be spending a pretty penny in that algorithm push
This sounds like a ready made HBO special
Veritasium. After he put that uncritical commercial for the self driving car company on his feed I couldn’t take any of his content seriously anymore.
I stopped watching after the "speed of electricity in a wire" video. When I realised a video about something I knew about was bollocks, it made me question every other video that taught me about something I didn't know.
Even if that had been a one off, how would I know? The trust is gone.
What was wrong with that one?
There are a lot of videos that made me question the validity of his "science". While I didn't want to spend time dissecting a specific video but with the videos piling up I decided it would be easier to just not watch him. I don't watch videos to question whether it's bullshit or not, so I ended up watching videos where I don't have to ask that question.
I'll purposely seek out videos covering topics I'm (more) familiar with, from unfamiliar content creators that I might be interested in watching more of. It helps me gauge their accuracy, confidence, and ability to simplify without losing the underlying reasoning.
It was his video on IQ tests that set off alarm bells for me.
IQ tests are not some method of determining intelligence they are very much linked to relative education/socioeconomic standing. His complete lack of criticism and neutral/positive support of IQ tests make me think he likes the result of his score…
"Oh and by the way, this is a sponsored video 🤷" and then spends half an hour sucking a company's dick for money
That and the shampoo ad killed my interest in the channel, and ever since then I'm extremely wary of everyone. Kurzgesagt is also up there, for producing propaganda for a billionaire's charity.
God kurzgesagt really bothers me for their “technology will save us” ideology. I get bad vibes.
what's wrong with Kurzgesagt?
Whoa, I thought I was alone in disliking Kurzgesagt. What made me unsubscribe was a video that was very clearly sponsored by the game Cyberpunk but didn't mention that anywhere
some recent ones have been interesting, but yeah that ad really was a scummy move
Yeah, the new SAT video was great and i still can’t for the life of me figure how those people managed to think about the problem and realize the options were wrong, really goes to show how intelligent people are always doing things with a very alert mind, even if the problem is very easy
Why was it bad
Same, never trust any of his videos now so I just don't bother watching.
Oh, what? I don't remember that one. Is it this one? https://youtu.be/yjztvddhZmI
Cinema Sins. Used to be 5 minute videos pointing out continuity errors or over-use of something (Iron Man 2 Bird Bonus Round) but then bloated into 20 minutes of nit picky bull crap.
I can't even follow the logic most of the time. It pre-assumes you've dug as deeply into the movie as they have and have already moved past surface level continuity errors. Also, it got cringey any time they'd remove points for "hot chick moment" or "liking this scene humanizes our channel".
Reject Cinema Sins, embrace Cinema Wins.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEAsGoP-5I](Sustaining Stupidity - Why CinemaSins is Terrible)
AvE. Was cool until pandemic happened, then got extra "conservative". Couldn't watch anymore.
Yea that fucking sucked, used to absolutely love his boltr videos but then he went political 🤦
Shiiiit i remember. His videos were genuinely fun to watch. It started to go down a bit when he kept ranting about plastic pipes, like it's some wort of conspiracy and copper was the best thing ever. Then covid hit and ooooh boy what an absolute wanker.
Yeah, basically unsubbed from AvE over this too.
I can't remember who this was, but there was another engineering YouTuber who, during the pandemic, basically twittered about being frustrated with the lockdowns from business perspective and whingled about being scared talking about his political beliefs because apparently being anything anything right of a model leftist is a crucifiable offence in the bird site, according to him. And how the horse paste actually works. I was like "...oh shit, maybe this dude is a magahatter?"
This one made me really sad.
I loved his videos. I learned a lot from the disassembly videos.
Then he went all Covid denier as soon as the pandemic hit. I couldn't watch it anymore
I could kind of ignore it for a while but then he started dabbling in 9/11 trutherism and I had to nope out. At that point the paranoia and politics were infecting and degrading the actual meat of the content.
I thought AvE was a smart guy who got it.
Then he started praising the trucker convoy for being heroes and it shocked the fuck out of me. It honestly bummed me out.
I told my Dad that I couldn't watch AvE anymore and he said, "Well his content has been shit lately anyway."
Penguinz0. His content was garbage when I discovered him so I just avoided him but one day I got recommended his old commercial parodies and it was pure gold. His videos about Kate cooking were also great too. Nowadays, he's a drama youtuber. He scroll Twitter, read about a random scandal, do the bare minimum research to not sound like a fool and then make a video about it.
I'm on the same boat. But my "what the actual fuck?" moment came when (for those unfamiliar with it) YouTuber Idubbbz came out with a sincere apology for many of his videos that used extremely racist or ableist terms. While aware that his apologies did not automatically translated into being forgiven by the memebers of the groups he insulted, Idubbbz still felt it was important for him to apologize.
And in this situation, Penguinz0 just said that "Idubbbz shouldn't have apologized and it felt like he was exaggerating the whole thing". Way to inject yourself in something that did not involve him at all. Also, that really told me the kind of person Penguinz0 is: someone who dismisses others suffering when it's not his place to do so and someone who just goes off his own gut feelings alone.
The level of self awareness in the idubbz apology blew my mind. I was an edgy teen and grew out of him, and while it took him a bit longer than me, he came around too. Was a weird and cool moment.
Same here. Had the worst bottom feeder energy to it. Just scraping up shit and shitting it out, with the worst possible takes he just takes up all the oxygen in the room. Charlie isn't much better than XQC.
I miss his old gameplay videos. The deadpan monotone voice about extravagant things happening in the game was the best
Yeah, penguinz0 is a fine example of someone who is just doing the bare-minimum for the money.
Marques Brownlee (a.k.a. MKBHD).
A few weeks ago he posted a new episode of his podcast with him and a few others. They talked about Nothing Chats and Sunbird, the iPhone getting RCS and the usual OpenAI drama. At some point Marques mentions the fact that iMessage with RCS will still be "unencrypted". Following that they ponder over why RCS wouldn't have this fabled encryption, such a weird thing that RCS doesn't support encryption from the get-go, and after brainstorming for a bit someone adds the information that it indeed will be encrypted in-transit, but not end-to-end encrypted. And what comes next boggled my mind: Silence ensues. No-one says anything. You only see the faces of four grown-ass tech influencers that are stunlocked and completely unable to process what this neverheard difference between encryption methods might mean. It all just ends with "I've been trying so hard to figure out what that means. I can't." And then.......then they simply move on, not even addressing for a second this knowledge gap and solving it right there on the spot. You can watch it if you want. What hurts the most is that Marques' co-star, David, the guy that looks the most confused, made a 1+ hour history-lesson type video a few months ago about the history of the internet and the importance of HTTPS encryption.
Now, if we're talking about visual quality and overall visual production quality, his videos were insanely enjoyable to watch. I also don't want to shame anyone for not knowing something and I understand that this is in part the consequence of an ever growing company at this point. The channel is still growing and has reached 18 millions subs. Him (and his team) also cover a constantly growing tech sphere, from phones to laptops, from e-vehicles to supercars, from tech politics to tech blunders. But coming from a guy that has been a "tech influencer" on YouTube for 14 years, a guy that over the years had the chance to interview Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Bill Gates and Sundar Pichai and surely had the chance to surround himself with experts on all sorts of topics, a guy that dedicated entire videos to Nothing Chats, the role of Quantum Computing in encryption or the dangers and potentials of the Metaverse, this kind of shocked me. I just couldn't take him seriously anymore and I hate myself for it. But it's like my grandma not knowing the difference between a normal call and a WhatsApp call, expect that he's been talking about tech for more than a decade.
Tbf Mkbhd has never been smart or technical. He has good video editing that's it. His phone reviews have always been pretty trash too. He kept asking for bigger batteries and now he whines that the phones are too big and heavy.
It really triggers me that he has become the face of "black tech Youtubers" when there's people like Jeremy Fielding out there
I know very little about electronics and really like Jeremy Fieldings videos. A very good channel.
As for mkbhd. I don't like his content on Elon musk products. He bought a Tesla and was in a bunch of their beta/early adopter stuff and makes videos with heavy praise. It gives me a bad taste about his ethics on these topics which extends to the rest of the channel.
Well, he's played a role in getting me and I'm sure many others interested in tech in the first place (remember the OnePlus One days?). So I'd say he has a bit more going for him than just video editing, he summarizes tech really well and he just....sparks that tech passion in his viewers! But I simply can't believe that in all these years he never stopped and pondered what in-transit encryption vs. end-to-end encryption might mean!
To hammer my point home: This means he doesn't understand why people would use Signal instead of sending a DM on Facebook or Instagram. Why any sane mind would pick Proton Mail over something like standard Gmail. He's absolutely clueless as to what a data breach into popular password managers like Bitwarden or LastPass might mean. When Apple says things like (and imagining this in Tim Cook's voice makes it a hundred times better) "What stays on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone." or "end-to-end encrypted, meaning that not even Apple can access it", he doesn't understand any of it and just moves on. And mind you, these are Apple presentations we're talking about, catered to the simple understanding of an average consumer.
Yes, naturally everyone has to start somewhere, but I wish him and his team (c'mon guys, I KNOW you'll read this!) would put a bit more effort into fillling knowledge gaps as soon as they come up, instead of just relying on their selective research each time a new video gets made and arrogantly thinking that in all other aspects they must still be ahead of 99% of all other people. Don't take my word for it, see for yourself: After one of his co-hosts asks people watching the podcast to tweet at him to explain it, Marques replies: "Good luck getting a tweet."
But hey, I hope these are only the first of many steps they'll take in the big world of data protection, transparency, open-source, privacy and, of course, encryption ;)
P.s. sorry for the wall of.....text.
Edit: clarification at the beginning.
FlossyCarter is my go to for phone reviews. He does a lot of stuff I don't care about, but he does the "release review" that all tech youtubers do when they get sent a device, but then he follows up with a "real review" later and his likes/dislikes are often fair critiques.
I know I'm going to get downvoted to absolute hell for this but I kinda don't like anybody who is an Apple fanboy. I used to be one like 5 years ago, however, I know have a pixel+graphene phone, arch linux laptop and desktop, selfhosted storage and media server, basically the tech nerd setup. I hate for the top YouTubers to be not a tech nerd but someone who promotes Apple fanboys who will just roll with the punches even if the company does something stupid.
Anyways, thanks for the channel recommendation. If you haven't watched Colin Furze yet, his shit is wild as well.
Saying he isn't smart is ridiculous and rude. He very clearly is smart within his particular skillsets and in business, or else we wouldn't be here talking about him. He's also subjectively entertaining and relatable, which is why he gets more views than many other tech YouTubers, black or otherwise.
Also, you do realize that "bigger" battery doesn't necessarily mean physically bigger right? People wanting bigger batteries are usually referring to battery capacity, aka higher charge density.
It's so weird that you're triggered by a YouTubers popularity; I wasn't aware that such homerism existed in that space. Stay triggered though I guess 😂😂🤦🏾♂️
He never struck me as being actually knowledgable about tech. He knows the consumer level stuff, just enough to review things. But anything deeper than that he never touches.
Feeling I got too, just consumer level stuff and pretty videos.
I stopped watching him about 7 years back.
Production quality wise, the videos are always exceptionally well done for a Youtube channel. I just really cannot stand his content.
He markets himself as an unbiased first look channel, but for example, any time a new phone comes out, he'd praise an iPhone for all the same reasons he absolutely fucking decimated an Android phone for. It's very similar to other products he takes a look at. The podcast is also filled to the brim with similar conversations, and it's just unpleasant tech-bro culture
he's a apple shill mkbhd
VSauce. They used to be THE shit years and years ago. Their content now has been... Rather sparce and uninteresting.
I don't mind content that takes a long time. Ahoy and Lemmino are great. But VSauce just became... Feeling like a waste of time.
Remember when they had all 3 channels firing on all cylinders? Vsauce for mind blowing science videos, Vsauce2 for awesome shorter format wtf internet widget videos, and Vsauce3 for gaming science stuff. One of the best eras of YT.
Platform has grown and they just arnt the only game in town.
I think Vsauce is a lot more grifty than he looks. If you look at the really early videos they were very different and he changed his content wildly in order to find something that makes the most money with the least work. The science education happened to be profitable but as the Meta started favouring more than 10+ min and science vids became mini documentaries he just dropped off and started reviewing science toys and do compilation videos. Right now he is doing a lot of shorts because they are being pushed by the algorithm.
I started watching VSauce well over 10 years ago, so I've experienced how his content changed first-hand. I feel VSauce dropped off when Michael became an internet meme, when VSauce made it "big". They got their own studio, their own merch box, and I thought this was going to be an upgrade to the content between VSauce 1, 2 and 3. But then Michael made that YouTube Red series and that was basically a brick wall.
Only Jake Roper still made some good videos for some time, but that stopped eventually too. Mindblow stopped, Build It, Draw It, Play It stopped. Instead of seeing anything that would justify having a studio and a team to work with we basically got, like you said, Michael reviewing toys from their merch box, and Kevin doing some math philosophy once in a while.
Mindblow is technically back but... it lacks any energy or soul that the original Mindblow had. It's sad...
His side gigs are super grifty. Curiosity box was a straight scam. Two months delayed and full of shifty products that break or fall apart trying to assemble them.
Vsauce2 is still good and mindblown just recently came back, Kevin basically said on his podcast that the mindblown videos just take too much time to research for something that's presented extremely fast and short, since he's not a tabloid making wildly innacurate reporting on science papers.
Lemmino are great
idk I didn't like latest Lemmino topics. I'd like seeing a new video on a space mystery
I just learned that they have Vsauce 2, 3 and 4 but it's not with Michael, so not as good.
Never would have called him a favorite of mine exactly, but a channel I used to watch was Shadiversity. Had some interesting videos on medieval life and castles. These days he seemingly only does "let's test this wacky weapon" videos and has a terrible second channel where he whines about "woke culture".
Tangential fun fact: the guy from "Shadiversity" and the guy from "Drawing with Jazza" are brothers. This is incredibly odd to me because I don't think that they look or act alike at all.
I find that connection hilarious cus Jazza is way more popular and talented with true artistic ability, where shad is an anti-woke dipshit who gets mad at the mario movie and plays with swords.
I lost interest after he sang the praises of the Goblin Slayer rape scene. BuT tHe GoBLiNs nEeD tO bE sCaRy! You can "make monsters monstrous" without adding explicit rape scenes to your mid-tier manga.
I actually appreciate that he's taken care to keep the two channels separate, I just didn't bother to subscribe to Knights Watch and so it doesn't bother me.
I guess mileage varies on the "wacky weapons" vs "medieval history" division, though. I like both so I'm fine with them being mixed.
Same, I watched so many of his videos and enjoyed all thw castle shit. Too bad
After a certain point, what else can you cover about the medieval period thats interesting, entertaining, understable to a general audience, and can fit in a youtube video?
I still think he needs to collab with Jill Bearup on boob armor, though.
That's fair enough, though I do think there are a ton of interesting medieval topics he still could have covered. I'm the kind of guy who likes watching multi-hour essays on ancient civilizations though, so I might not be "general audience" and he moved pretty much in the opposite direction of what I like to watch. Finding his second channel was what sealed the deal for me though, couldn't take him seriously after that.
Joshua Weissman. He started out super chill, most of his recipes were pretty approachable, the editing wasn't over the top, the b-roll stuff at the end was tasteful.
Now it's like he's catering to a whole different crowd. The editing is over the top and jammed with memes, he's more idk, psychotic isn't quite the right word, but it's way less chill, he's constantly saying stuff like "if you don't use XYZ ingredient then what are you even making this recipe for?", his recipes are more over the top, and he has a much more elitist opinion of himself and his food. The change happened so quickly too, it was kind of shocking.
Food wishes is the GOAT of cooking channels. The only thing thats changed about his format is video and audio quality has improved.
The fact that he still puts in a rhyming joke in every video makes me smile
For actual cooking stuff, I prefer Adam Ragusea. He dives more into the history and molecular gastronomy side of things, to explain how a dish came to be and why it works. Not quite as sciencey as Alton Brown, but I definitely see the influences. And for actual historical food stuff, you may want to check out Tasting History. He’s a creator who does deep dives into historical dishes, then tries to recreate them.
Both interesting in their own ways, but Adam’s stuff has helped be become a better cook simply by understanding the why, rather than the how. Because if you know why something works, (rather than simply knowing how to do it) you’ll be able to translate that to other situations where it will work, and be able to avoid/work around situations where it won’t. It took me from “following recipes” to “making my own recipes” if that makes sense.
Already subbed to both of those channels lol. I also like J. Kenji Lopez Alt and Brian Lagerstrom for similar reasons - their videos are more about how to cook than just following a particular recipe.
Yeah he talks like he's on coke now. Borderline unwatchable. I bet you can reduce the playback speed by 50% and it would de-stress the whole experience.
I miss chill fermentation fridays.
I remember when he hit 100k followers. Then 200k. Then a million. He has abandoned those of us who helped build the foundation of his success.
I used to have a couple of his videos bookmarked. Making pizza or some kind of bread dough, can't remember but I was using them all the time. Once finished it would autoplay another one of his videos and I agree they got worse and worse. Louder and faster and louder, they would usually make me rush to hit pause with doughy fingers.
CinemaSins. They were always kind of bottom-of-the-barrel, but their early videos pretty much just amounted to narrating the IMDB trivia pages so it was harmless. I went back and checked in on their channel for the first time in 8+ years and holy shit they've gotten bad. Videos running a quarter the length of the movie they're doing with word-salad voice over that doesn't even make sense.
Also: "[female actor] isn't 18 in this scene" was just as fucked up in 2012 as it is in 2023.
I agree, I don’t think that CinemaSins was ever really good, but it definitely got worse over time. His content has been criticized to death and there are some good commentary videos covering the issues with his channel. I will plug CinemaWins as a pretty good “counter” channel. I don’t watch it because I’m not really into that kind of content these days, but the videos that I have seen are worthwhile if you’re looking to fill a similar hole.
It was kinda funny when I watched their maybe 15 minute takes. They kinda pull stuff out of their asses, intro to long? Sin.
A lot of tech YouTubers (such as Mr whose the boss). Just a hype man reading specs and hyping up shit.
Just look at him speaking about the Huawei Mate 60 pro. What a load of bullshit.
So far I think I can trust MrMobile to give an honest opinion. When it comes to his channel its not just specs and numbers but real experiences. Quite different from the myriads of other tech channels on YT today.
Yeah, I forgot when I stopped watching him, maybe take a look at the videos he makes to understand my point. He's very enthusiastic but it's not informative and he gets stuff wrong.
I have the opposite problem where Youtubers who I watch because I enjoy their unedited, off-the-cuff content keep deciding to put more effort into their channel and start producing videos that are scripted and edited well, which I find way less interesting and watchable than their stream-of-consciousness rambling was. WolfeyVGC is a big one. He theoretically has a second channel for low effort content but he rarely posts to it.
You might like Crime Pays But Botany Doesn't if you like that style of video. It's a crass low brow approach to botany and ecology presented by a Chicago Italian. Been going for years now and has improved his quality but it's still off the cuff rambling.
I second, Crime Pays is a great channel
I can relate to this, i also really enjoy more raw, down to earth, simple content which is very rare these days
This is why I love SlowMoGuys, their stuff still feels unscripted.
Bon Appétit after the issues at their workplace were raised, they all make some decent content outside the BA brand though. Nice to see Sohla doing so much content too since she wasn't treated the best at BA.
Just so contrived. Even before the harassment allegations, their videos just seemed so corporate. That's the Conde Nast influence, but it makes for such milquetoast content.
I actually liked the magazine before they did YouTube stuff cause it was different than the typical food mags directed at moms. Industry leading photography and good deep dive pieces in to food trends and unique restaurants, always getting in to the process. Their video editors were youtube guys given a budget and their video content had that feel to it. They did some innovating with how they approach recipe vids, keeping in and even highlighting mistakes was a major editorial decision that set them apart. At their peak they were found to be treating the staff poorly regarding compensation and allegations of sexism, and not paying Sohla for her video appearances etc. They switched their editor in chief and hired new staff but now it just seems even more corporate than it used to.
Lock picking lawyer.
Used to be a channel about how locks works, how lock picking works, cool locks and shitty locks.
Now it's just a channel to sell his tools.
Eh, I would have to disagree with this, I have been watching him for a while and as far as I can tell the quality is the same the only difference now days is that he mentions his tools in the videos while picking the locks, so the videos didn't even really get longer.
He’s very much not liked in the lock picking community.
Not only does he push his overpriced tools a lot, most of them are very much not needed. He also puts a lot of focus on specialized car lock picking tools which are expensive at, made for each brand basically, and in a very dubious grey area which is a big no no in that “sport”.
From a purist side there are also a lot of complaints.
Agreed. Before it would be "so I made this tool by filing down this other thing, you can probably make one yourself" to "I used this tool that you can get in my shop, and here's how to pick it with a few standard tools as well..."
Feels like it's mostly because there's not much to talk about anyway, whatever needed to be said has already been said in one of his 1.5k video. I start follow his channel before he established his company, it's mostly the same and it's really just about how he defeat the lock. He sometimes still talk about unique lock he find interesting though.
Yeah, those unique locks are the highlights I remain subscribed for. He used to dismantle locks more often, but at this point it'd just be more of the same if he kept doing that.
Might be a good idea for him to change up his format a bit to make fewer videos but have them be more of a deep dive into whatever locks he's focusing on, maybe do more of the old "now let's see if we can open this with the leg of a Barbie™ doll and half of an M67 fragmentation grenade" stunt videos. I remember he used to get more experimental with his approaches when there was back-and-forth with Bosnian Bill.
I don't agree, his techniques and format are still good and though expensive, the covert instrument sets are some of the finest tools I have. If the guy wants to make a buck and offer a one stop shop for the hobby I don't see the problem.
I guess my only complaint with LPL is seemingly running out of challenging locks, which is more a fault of manufacturers.
I miss Bosnian Bill :-(
Someone who becomes good at something selling goods/services isn't exactly what I would consider offensive. Consider the guy who did Mouse Trap Monday videos who is now selling his trap commercially: do you have any idea how long he spent testing and reviewing traps to reach a point where that was viable? I suspect he spent thousands of hours on this.
Level1Techs sell basically the only DisplayPort KVM worth a damn, that's a pretty great offering to have. They don't bring it up much but it's there.
Apparently not just his tools, either. He's got some partners too, and it started recommending me their videos too. Their stuff is more of the same, advertisements for their store.
I got into lockpicking and now I love Lock Noob. Covert Instruments aren't that good either, I would go with Sparrows if I were to start, if anybody else is interested in getting into the hobby.
This seems to be the prevalent trend with most channels that gain traction. They start focusing more on selling their plushies, clothing, tools, or other shitty branded merchandise, and less on the content that got them there.
Maybe it's because original content creation is hard work. I get that. But holy shit, when they start hawking their stupid merch hard their credibility just goes down the toilet.
If you can't trust a lawyer, who can you trust?
I think he’s been incredibly consistent with his videos and don’t find any of his ads offensive or annoying, even though I’ll never buy something. I guess I disagree that the quality has changed. I do feel I’ve seen most content already though and he’s not doing much to keep interest growing.
Pretty much every car repair channel starts off good, then quickly changes to fixing exotic cars that nobody can afford.
Scotty has the most clickbait titles. "If you have a car you will REGRET this ONE SIMPLE TRICK and DESTROY YOUR ENGINE" (video is about winter octane stabilizers or something completely mundane)
Check out Garbage Time. It's a channel about an Aussie and his mechanic buddy repairing old, shitty cars. Many of the cars are Australian specific too.
Fuck yeaaaaah Garbage Time!
Donut Media during the 350z hi car/low car thing was really good, but feels like they are just repeating the same content over and over now without getting much useful/interesting info now.
Aging Wheels, Rainman Ray's Garage, and Garbage Time are all fantastic channels you should look into.
CGP Grey. His last 114 or so videos were literally just a single round of rock paper scissors each.
Kidding. His videos are still great.
I didn't see anyone mention streamers. For me that has to be Asmongold. He is now just drama farmer and reacts to videos and reddit all day. I would even say he is slowly turning into another Andrew Tate.
Called it on Lemmy a few months ago! Something about him and MoistCritical just give me bad juju. Can't explain it except as a father you learn to trust your gut sometimes and it was run of those times.
If this makes sense. YouTube algorithm aggressively pushes Joe Rogan. In that sphere are other trends that come with it. Sadly they come into that picture
Kind of related but I follow lilAggy on twitch. He pissed off some of chat one day because he told them to fuck off with their Andrew Tate bullshit and full on explained bluntly how Andrew Tate is a mysogynistic fuckwad.
I just realized it only recently, but Asmongold was going downhill for a few years. He wasn't my favorite streamer, but watched him here and there.
List of my streamers is slowly shrinking. Nowdays I mostly watch Lirik. He just became a dad like a year ago. As far as I know he has no problems. Only thing that some people are not liking about him is that when NFTS came out, he wanted to make some, he didn't at the end. I don't really blame him. When NFTS came out even I thought it was interesting for little while.
My second most watched streamer is probably Elajjaz, I discovered him only a year ago. He is a variety streamer who really likes Dark Souls and similar games. I don't think I acually saw him "react" to videos. He just plays games.
LilAggy's stream looks interesting, I gave him a follow. Will see if we click.
Oh wow, I liked watching his speedruns, and this makes me respect LilAggy even more.
MoistCritical looks like an unwashed hobo 90% of the time and sounds like the most disinterested person in the world.
I used to think that was intentional and he's just a character like Francis. After a while I started to think otherwise.
I miss Zackrawr introspective posts in the treehouse.
Same here with Asmon, and it all ended with some video where he actively pushed a wrong statement calling people dumb.
I mean he is right people are dumb. Lol
That said, yeah get bad juju from him
I feel like he basically retired after his mom died
Rooster Teeth
They have had so many issues back to back that I don't enjoy them anymore. From Ryan coming out to fucking fans when he has a wife, to the underpaid and crunch heavy work they put staff to, and then firing Matt who was one of the most beloved members.
When they sold their company to WB they sold their ethics at the same time.
Roosterteeth started circling the drain for me when they were shilling those bullshit sugar pills that were supposed to make you a better gamer. Alpha Brain i think it was called?
And I completely fucked off of them when they shilled perscription pill mills to their young/underage audience, then Geoff..the massive piece of shit that he is, tried to deflect all the criticism away by claiming he has ED and twisting all the criticism into attacks against his supposed medical issue.
Then, years later, you found out about how abusive and miserable it was to work there for anyone that wasnt a face, how they exploited their fanbase for unpaid work, and how everyone behind the scenes was either a racist piece of shit to the non-white staff (Which really makes you look back at some of the on screen interaction with ray differently), or were A-OK with all the racist shit being said (which makes you a racist too, dipshit).
I dont know how the fuck it hasnt collapsed as a company yet.
Also Funhaus. They used to be funny, then the shtick got old, then they all started making announcements they were leaving Funhaus for greener pastures......and now they're all back at Funhaus doing the same old thing. Ehhhhh.
They are back? I only sometimes catch Lawrence live on twitch, did he went back too?
I still listen to a few of their podcasts but I feel like a significant amount of their content has shifted towards a younger demographic
I tried to continue with some of the podcasts but just never felt the same after Burnie left
My partner got me into AH right before the Ryan controversy. Gotta say, it was weird watching it all fall apart afterwards since I wasn't as invested as she was. Thankfully some of my favs from the bunch do solo stuff so thats cool.
With RT, I watched RvB and RWBY. RT doesnt know when to end a show or let it close, I dropped off both after their peaks.
This is definitely not true. Rooster Teeth has been producing some of their all-time best content since covid (speaking as fan since 2012). They just pivoted to primarily making podcasts, and most of their podcasts are awesome and high-production quality without feeling inauthentic. F**KFACE and ANMA are especially good for old fans.
Boogie. Not a favorite of mine and hated the Francis stuff, but I used to watch some of his gaming videos. He did his weight loss surgery about the same time as a relative so found that interesting. But good lord it's been a descent since then,all of it self inflicted. Be it saying something stupid, firing a gun within city limits while getting into a pissing match with some other YouTube idiot, or losing his money in crypto. It's hard to imagine someone that's fallen further than him.
Watched the documentary on him last month and then went through his channel and it was embarrassing.
Did you ever happen to visit /r/samandtolki before it was banned? They really gave Boogie hell. They documented lie after lie from the dude. It's sad how much of a pathological liar Boogie is. The worst one I witnessed was him saying people were swating him. Mod of samandtolki did a FOIA request to Boogie's local police department and got camera footage from the officer that visited Boogie's home. Boogie was making a lot of suicide claims and a fan called a wellness check on him. One officer showed up and asked Boogie's roommate some questions. That was it.
The guy has had his struggles in life, but it doesn't excuse his scummy behaviour. He's an arrogant, narcissistic asshole.
Possibly controversial but... Hot Ones.
I prefer the older videos with less/no post production effects. I tried watching the interview with Elijah Wood but the fading video overlapping, music, zoom ins/outs, the voice echoing, and I couldn't deal with these stupid transitions. Closed the video and haven't got back since. The channel has one job and that is to make people eat progressively hot wings but the stupid post production effects ruin the video quality and make the whole interview less engaging. COOL IT SEAN!
Their content is good but how it's presented is garbage.
It's may be more subtle and perhaps the quality is still there (IDK bc I unsubbed ages ago), but Babish. There was an uproar when he got sponsored by Hogwarts Legacy, and he had no response / apology to supporting JK and her anti-trans viewpoints.
If it helps, the game itself is very positive about the whole spectrum of human sexuality and treats everything as completely ordinary and it's all represented (trans included), like the Wizarding world has already come out on the other side and everyone is welcome.
I think JK very purposely tried to tarnish it so that less people would play it, she already got her cut from the licensing, so sales don't matter to her.
The game itself is exactly what we want and what she would hate. The company that made the game is someone we should support, they took the world away from her, fixed it, and gave it back to us.
Oh I figured it would be good. I loved HP growing up, well before we knew any of JK's purviews and hatreds. It also does help that majority of the actors involved in the cinematic universe were outspoken against her. It's rather difficult to separate art from the artist at times, but I think I'll probably sail the seas first to test it out, and then determine how best to purchase it without giving her any more cashflow, however meager that is in the grand scheme.
Found a reasonable article of who distanced / defended Joanne's hatred: https://www.pedestrian.tv/entertainment/every-harry-potter-actor-supports-jk-rowling/
That's ignoring both the anti-Semitism and transphobic content.
From what I've heard the game is a bland and buggy mess
I still watch a Babish here and there, he pioneered foodtube but his content was very formulaic and I sort of just got bored of it. I'd rather watch Food Wishes or other cooking channels with stuff I'd actually make and eat. For interesting and entertaining food content I like what the former BA hosts do, and a lot of famous chefs have excellent YouTube content that is very humbly edited and presented.
I feel this. I watch about 8 Foodtubers on and off and babish now feels very generic because basically everyone is a take on him.
Two things in his favour are his decision to use being the largest to platform others was really good and although that diluted his channel by making fans of the person stop watching every video, and also the fact that if I'm actually looking for a specific cooking guide and I see a babish video, I know I can follow it reliably and have a tasty end product.
Still subbed to Babish but I feel this
It was definitely tough dropping him over something seemingly so miniscule, but it hit a nerve. Being part of the queer community myself, and having many close friends also being such, it just felt right. The salt in the wound was that there was no response at all except for the ones supporting him in this sponsoring.
A quick google for "Babish Hogwarts Legacy" garnered this Reddit post (sorry).
I am completely different, but agree with the sentiment.
I was one of his first 10k subs from his first video. His cubano video solidified me as a day 1 viewer.
Literally since the creation of the "babish universe" or whatever MCU franchise parody it was, it just took a nosedive in quality (production quality didn't change of course). Like there are only so many movie foods you can do, and I get why he branched out for sure, and Basics with babish was quite decent for a while.
I just think even a few years ago it became much more corporate and more of a "cooking content generation" channel and less of someone cooking and teaching in an entertaining way. It just feels completely different.
Yeah. How dare people want to protect trans rights. The gall.
I’m assuming they’ve all burnt the books, merchandise, theme parks and dvd’s they’ve already spent money on and had their memory wiped of all (5/6/7?) stories in the Barry Trotter series. I’ve never read nor watched any of it but I’m assuming that whilst the bandwagon was rolling-on everything was tickety-boo until later; when she opened her mouth to give a personal opinion. The thing is: if her legions of fan(atic)s hadn’t elevated her to the pantheon of gods then it’s possible she may not have thought she had enough clout and kudos to wade into a topic massively unrelated to her “day job”. Who knows?
Ethan Klein and H3. Before the Israel stuff happened in October, the silliness was enjoyable because it seemed like the guy had an earnest, intellectual curiosity underneath it all.
I dropped off when he stopped making content and switched to the podcast full time. Seems like every 6-18 months Ethan has another controversy where he accidentally lets his mask slip and a whole new group of people find out he's actually an asshole.
What did he ever do? He seems to be the YouTube equivalent of famous for being famous. I've tried watching but it's a lot of nothing talk and seemingly contrived drama with other YouTubers who also talk a tremendously long time about nothing.
He gave a few lukewarm takes but the worst one was probably him sticking with "we gotta get rid of hummus" which is literally impossible because every time the IDF does a genocide tour through Gaza they create three times as much Hamas as they destroy.
He really hammers on the "both sides are bad" when almost everything in the conflict is clearly israel's fault. It's like the teacher punishing both the bully and the bullied kid when the bullied kid fights back.
edit removed a rumor that's most likely untrue from further research
I stopped watching when they stopped doing the prank vids, I was subbed when he did the "it's a ten" vid and all the edits and meme vids, the Vape Naysh.
Hate to say it, but Wintergatan and his Marblemachine X. In the earlier days his videos were an exciting mix of mad genius, cool music improv and crafting. Then he became obsessed with making the machine play tight, precise music to a level that is beyond what anybody in an audience would be able to hear, and it became obvious that the machine would never get finished because he was stuck in an improvement loop.
Sinfest. Used to be a charming and funny daily webcomic about an eclectic cast of colorful characters getting into surreal and philosophical situations. Then one day in 2011 it suddenly swerved hard into radical feminism. I'm not anti-feminist myself, but the comic became obsessed with it -- literally every strip was related to The Patriarchy in some way and it became extremely preachy and boring.
I checked out for the better part of a decade, and when I randomly revisited a couple years ago it turned out that the author had transited the TERF-to-fascist pipeline and turned into an extreme-right antivax conspiratorial fascist loon, of the "teachers are secret pedos" and "the war in Ukraine is a hoax" variety. Super sad to see.
Less "downhill" and more "dropped into a sinkhole straight to the pits of hell," but Creepshow Art. I thought she was really fun to listen to, and it was interesting hearing tea spilling from a community I'm not privy to. At some point she opened up about a stalker who'd been following her for years, harassing her constantly, trying to get her fired from her job by sending compromising photos from her past to her boss, threatening her life... And then it turns out she was the stalker, and the victim was Emily Artful! She was the psychopath threatening someone's life and trying to get them fired and shit! And I was planning on donating to her patreon!
Not sure if this counts, but I'll nominate Unidan.
People still crowing about Unidan.
Here's the thing...
Now that's a blast from the past
Now hold on I think you're confusing crows and jackdaws...
not a youtuber, but I genuinely enjoyed babylon bee and the daily bonnet for parody news about christian and mennonite culture. the humor was always inward. now its all propaganda
Jimmy Dore. Started watching in 2015. He was consistently about progressivism and brought awareness to causes such as Medicare for All. As the channel grew, he slowly became more deranged. COVID came and he found a larger audience spouting anti-vax dog whistles. The channel is now tabloid anti-vax, pro-putin, hot garbage.
Idubbbz. It's fine that he grew out of his edginess, I largely have too, but most of his videos now just feel like he needs to pay the bills and just cranks something out.
Jake Tran. His old videos were pretty cool. He went downhill ever since he tried to convince me that drinking soy milk turns people into femboys and losing sperm cells.
Andrew Callaghan sad to say because I was a huge fan and I guess there's been actual rape allegations come out although he hasn't been charged with anything so who knows. That style of journalism I just love so much and he is so good at it so it's a shame.
He went from looking like he was going to have his own HBO series, to almost completely disappearing, also the allegations were by underage girls and he acknowledged the allegations as true from what I remember.
From what I understand he was a freshman or close to it as well. Wouldn't surprise me though.
In case you're wondering, it's called "Gonzo Journalism". He's following in the footsteps of Hunter S Thompson.
Yeah, this one hits home. Recently he tried to put out a few videos, haven't watched them, kind of waiting for someone else to dissect it for me because yeah...
I watched them and they were alright. It's disturbing how serious the allegations are yet no legal actions are being taken against him. It's like he's in this place of irredeemable limbo. I've volunteered with inmates and believe people can be redeemed but not if they can't face their wrongdoings.
2 women said he tried to have sex with them and made them uncomfortable. There are allegations of sexual assault, however I'm withholding judgment. Dude seems to drink a lot.
I agree, mrwhosetheboss got so boring for me. Every video just felt pretty much the same. Same old jokes, same old style, every single time. For me, another one is Linus Tech Tips. Their content just feels kinda boring nowadays. It was much better maybe 2-3 years ago.
Mrwhostheboss video about Temu made me unsubscribe. Felt more like advertisement than anything else.
The only two I ever watched where this has happened and not simply them just up and disappearing was JonTron and Onison.
And it's understandable why the quality went down. Not only did I grew up, they were both accused of and/or involved in grooming or some shit.
JonTron truned out to be a Trump supporter not a groomer, but that was enough really.
Groomer, groomer supporter...pretty fine line these days
JONTRON. OOF. FUCKING TRAGIC.
i was around when jontron promised the star wars episodes every week. or every month. and it took like a full year
The quality didn't went down, you just didn't like his politics so it sours your experience, his videos still do well.
Hell the flex tape one happened after that debate and it became a meme.
ThePrimeagen Was cool but now he's just reacting to programming articles with insane clickbait, especially compared to other programming YouTubers, and talks about things way outside of his core skillset
Yeah, he's mostly first prime react now. I mostly just open his description to jump to the article he reacted to.
Whenever he stream his coding, he went out of his way, way too long also.
I really used to enjoy his videos. A lot of insightful talk. It was just programming with an occasional meme. Now it's 45 minute reaction videos, for a blog post i could have read in 2 minutes
I kind of felt that way about NerdCubed. I just felt like he was becoming too pretentious and that he was rebooting his channel every couple months
Could you give some examples?
I just recently started watching him, so I'm kinda bouncing around from his old stuff to his recent stuff, and i'm not really noticing a significant difference besides what you would expect with time and experience.
Of him being pretentious?
I guess it felt like there was a shift in the tone of his content around the time he hit 250,000 subscribers and it really ramped up after the incident where a fan showed up at his apartment door.
I think it's kind of understandable due to latter but I feel like he became a lot less personable and more full of himself. It was a lot of little things so it's kind of hard to pinpoint.
Admittedly I haven't watched his content in probably about eight years but I don't image things like his podcast would help.
The Damage Report. Holy fucking clickbait titles, man, and then the content is incredibly uninteresting.
"Ben Shapiro just ended his career!" and turns out he just ate an unpopular flavor of ice cream to own the libs.
I feel like idubbbz peaked around hair cake.
idubbbz is finished. He went too far and now he can't salvage what made his channel so great. Wayyyyy too obsessed with drama and not his own thing. Youtube is a different place now. He should go back to doing bad unboxing videos.
or maybe we'll finally get Shit Cake
dog shit tho, cause that's safer
AvE. I wish he'd have kept his political comments to snide funny side comments. But the straw for me was his arguing against masks and repeating covid conspiracy dog whistles.
Typical case of a person becoming (fairly) widely recognized as a smart domain expert and thinking this translates into being an expert in other fields. It happens, sadly, so often with Youtubers.
SVSeeker. At first it seemed like a really inspirational channel about a guy building a giant boat in his backyard in Oklahoma that was going to be used as a free to anyone research vessel, but as time went on everyone slowly realized the dude had basically no idea what he was doing and was super hostile to anyone telling him otherwise. Now it's been two years since lunching the boat and he has done none of the things he promised to do with it (like even leave the coast) and it seems pretty clear everyone got duped into helping him build a retirement house boat instead of a research vessel.
Sinfest. It used to have some great strips and the art was unique and then it veered into full on hard right terf territory.
Check it now. I'm not even sure where it's slant is anymore. It's full Palestinian support now. Unless that's become right territory now. I don't even know in this world anymore....
Like all fascist conspiracy theorists, it inevitably connects back to anti-Semitism.
I don't even know in this world anymore....
Did you ever? I ask because of GiR profile pic