Ok, I might as well go first: I wish I could draw. Not at the level where I could make photorealistic portraits, but I've always been envious of those who are able to scetch something together in a few minutes that perfectly captures what they want to convey. Sometimes words aren't enough to express what I want to say, and for those situations I would love to have a simple drawing do the talking for me.
That's really what all my other answers to this come down to. I would love to write better, be a better woodworker, play music, learn languages, learn programming languages, etc. But my mind just... slides right off it. I can't bring myself to put in the time necessary to cultivate literally any skill.
I'm the same way. I've found that I need another person to keep me accountible so taking lessons has help me. I started drums this year and it's something I've always wanted to do and having a teacher give me things to practice and checking in keeps me going.
This may be old advice, and I can't speak for music or languages (where I myself have the same issue) but for woodworking and programming this is my experience: Once I get some idea for something I want to build, that becomes the goal of the project, not learning the skill itself. It could be carving a small model boat, or writing a sudoku solver, but at least for my part, once I get caught up in some project, I have a hard time letting it go. That's as opposed to if I sit down and try to systematically learn a skill.
Some suggestions for projects off the top of my head:
Some kind of simple encryption/decryption method.
A nice wooden box to put something nice in (possibly without visible metal parts)
A sudoku solver
Model car (maybe with wheels and movable doors)
A little "river steamer" with a rubber-band driven "propeller" (don't know what the wheel on the back of a river steamer is called)
A "peg solitaire" solver (because I was really frustrated at not being able to solve it)
The point is just to find something else that interests you, that can motivate you to learn the skill you want :) good luck!
Wow, this was cool to read! I definitely use the goal of the project to motivate myself to learn how to complete it, but I never realized it until you laid it out. I understand what OP says about the skill "sliding off" but the project is usually complete before that happens and only becomes an issue on revisiting it later. Like my Magic Mirror project that I completed but it's using the Pi and some software that I don't remember now. But the mirror is still great, hooked up to a PC with wallpaper engine running.
This is my answer also. I wish I was multi-lingual.
I'm regularly on calls with people for whom English is not their primary language. Almost without fail they apologize for their poor English. I regularly tell those people, "please don't apologize, you do me that courtesy of communicating with me in my native tongue. I am completely unable to reciprocate that courtesy."
Look into Comprehensible Input. Dreaming Spanish is a great channel/site.
It's really not difficult to do per se, it just takes a LOT of time. 1500+ hours. But if you can replace the time you spend watching YouTube videos and doomscrolling, you'll get there eventually. Especially once you reach the point of understanding media in the language you're learning. You can then go mindlessly watch YouTube again... but in that language lmao.
Check out this playlist for an explanation of the method (turn on subtitles) https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlpPf-YgbU7GrtxQ9yde-J2tfxJDvReNf , TL;DW don't study the language. Don't do grammar/vocab by rote. Literally just listen to a crap ton of the language. You will learn grammar/vocab naturally with repetition in context. But you must listen/watch at a level you can understand. That starts with content with a lot of hand gestures and simple stories, where maybe you don't understand the words but you understand the meaning by the rest of the context. After a hundred hours or so you can move on to content with less context clues, and after maybe 400-600 hours start with media meant for native speakers.
That's the problem with native lingua franca speakers. They don't have a foreign language that they really have to learn.
If you don't speak English people are mostly limited to their own country. German is worthless in France. So we all need to learn English, while you don't have a lot of benefit of actually learning other languages.
To show my point: My team at work is spread over most of Europe. We don't have an English native speaker in the team and there are maybe a small handful of them in the whole company. Still, we all speak English at work, because it's the only language everyone knows.
Other than ALL, Spanish would be very useful. Japanese so I can watch Anime and not miss half of it because I’m reading subtitles. French so I can cuss at you and sound like I’m quoting a love song. German so I can quote you a love song and sound like I’m cussing at you. And Chinese (mandarin?) because that has a lot of business opportunity.
See a lot of comments here about creative skills like drawing or singing, and I feel a little bit privileged having skill in both and more besides, on the creative side.
But I can’t really feel good about it, because I have serious problems with math and strict, rule-based stuff.
I really wish I was more logical and structured. I also lack a lot in the department of executive function, being so chaotic and creative. I am really bad at most everything that would actually get me a decent wage. The creative skills are worth nothing (in the sense of getting paid) if you can’t manage to stick to deadlines or sell yourself as an employee or a freelancer, and I keep getting into deep trouble due to miscalculating and misestimating my budgets, timespans, conceptualizing bigger picture when I am thrown into doing small picture stuff, or seeing the small pictures when I’m working with the big picture.
But it’s pretty interesting and fun seeing these different kind of responses. I guess there’s a little bit of a zero sum game here; if one’s good at something, almost always they’re bad on something else. Seems obvious, but somehow I’ve never thought about that.
I think this response is great, because, while I'm on the other side of the fence (theoretical chemist that sucks at anything artistry related) I think it's a common misconception that math/science/engineering isn't creative.
I find that misconception both with people struggling to learn it, and often with people teaching it. The reason I bring it up is that, in my experience, the "hard" sciences become both more fun and easy to learn, and more easy to teach, when creativity is encouraged. For my own part, I'm wildly chaotic in the way I solve problems, and my notes are typically a jumbled mess of drawings and scribbles. For my students part, I've seen stuff loosen for a lot of people when they're encouraged to just let their thoughts flow out on their paper, rather than thinking everything through five times first.
By all means: There's a difference between math and art, but I think a lot of maths teachers and students could have a better time if they allowed themselves to think more artistically, especially those that are well inclined to it.
Have you tried reading in bed? It's not just a few minutes but it definitely helps me make the eyes tired and heavy which makes me know when I can close the book and fall asleep in a matter of minutes.
I wish I was better at debate. My wife always comes out ahead in arguments. Maybe it's because she had a debate class in high school and I never did. I always stumble over my arguments and they are easy to pick apart. Not that I would use that skill against her. I'd still probably let her win, haha. But it would just be a nice skill to have in life.
Being able to detect logical fallacies will help a lot, but it’s not a perfect solution either. If an argument follows a flawed logic, it might also have factual issues as well. The thing is, there are exceptions.
Some people actually have something factual to say, but they mess up the wording and end up saying something paradoxical. Someone trained in detecting logical fallacies might dismiss the argument as complete nonsense, even though the core of the argument was true.
Also, the reverse is true. If you know what you’re doing, you can craft a beautiful and logical argument that isn’t actually grounded in reality. Someone not trained to wield this sword, may be defenseless against it.
These kinds of arguing tools are definitely useful, but they don’t always lead to the right answer. Mistakes happen on both sides of the debate.
Music. Probably singing and acoustic guitar. I really like singing, even if I'm really bad at it, and I like getting lost in music. Yes I can listen to some music, but I feel like doing it yourself gives it something more. Someday I'll get classes haha, I need more hours in my day
I have been blessed with zero rhythm or musical ability. I’ve never been able to clap on beat for example.
We watch family feud and I can be clapping along (to make my wife laugh primarily) all on my own not even beat with the audience, and I don’t even notice I’m off!
The great irony is I have much better hearing than the average person.
I'm a hobbyist programmer myself. I've picked up a few languages along the way, and by far the best approach I have found to learning is a simple but real practical use case. Find the smallest task you want your program to do, break it down into even smaller subsections, and then start to figure out how to transform it into code. It usually takes less code and knowledge about a language than you think.
A few years back I got really into Python for a few months as a complete newbie. One day, when I felt ready, I told myself I would put all the python skills I picked up and build a small program that would generate random, solvable sudoko puzzles. After a few weeks trying everything and not getting anywhere, I gave up programming.
Moral of the story is I probably that I should have taken it a bit slower I guess
this is exactly how I started. I looked at my job to see what I can do to solve an issue we were having using python and, even though my final script was a complete mess, it worked. learned SO much along the way
Here’s another quick tip to get anyone started: Find some code written by someone else, and modify it.
Depending on the language, you might be able to just read what it says and experiment with what happens when you change some details here and there. If the code does something that you’re interested in, you’ll also have the motivation to spend a few hours tweaking the code, or even reading the documentation.
Also, nowadays you can ask GPT what different parts of the code does. You can drill down with follow up questions until you understand how a specific detail works in the language you’re working with.
I am a programmer. It's like riding a bike, the training wheels are follow along projects on Udemy and YouTube. Don't try to start with massive projects for dream ambitions, make a button fetch some data when clicked then move on from there.
It's weird. I go to work, I'll get the job done. Something comes in my inbox that shit is covered.
I've been home for 3 hours now, and this is the most I've done tonight since I got home. Not even video games. Fuck haven't gotten chores done. What the hell is that skill that I have at work that I don't have at home?
Bad handwriting literally runs in my family, and as hard as I've tried I've never been able to improve it. I've resorted to writing in block, and even then it still looks scruffy.
Yet some of my colleagues have wonderful handwriting, and it makes me wonder why I couldn't have been born with better hands.
I'm going to start trying to learn how to draw in the New Year, so I hope that helps in some way.
Here’s what changed my handwriting: turning it into a hobby
At school, writing stuff all the time was more like a job, so naturally I wasn’t really that interested in it. However when you don’t have to write a ton of stuff every day, you can approach it form a different angle. Go to the library and find a book about calligraphy. Pick a style you find interesting, and start practicing.
Motivation is key. Don’t write stuff you hate in a style you despise. That’s just basically a long way to say: school. Let’s say you fall in love with textura quadrata, so you start practicing that style instead of cursive. Eventually you’ll try italic, humanist, uncial and other styles too. Then you’ll start writing longer things; not just shopping lists, but journaling too. After a while, you start to notice that your handwriting has improved.
BTW don’t go with a dip pen at first. Instead, get a Pilot Parallel Pen, because it’s good for for most styles. Once you’re familiar with a specific writing style, you can start learning how to manage the ink flow of a dip pen, because that’s a completely different ball game.
I've found that people who worry that they have bad handwriting typically have very good, legible handwriting. This is true with a lot of things actually. If you care about it, chances are you're above average already. It's only people who don't care and thus you don't hear from at all about it who are truly bad at something.
Learning to say no. Many times or not to say all my life I have always tried to get along with everyone, and I always say "Yes" to everything, committing myself to things I really don't want just because I don't know how to say no.
I wish I could just decide to sleep. I wish I could go "I have to be awake in 10 hours, I will sleep now." Nope. I can go forward but not backward. I've lost count of the number of times I've wrapped around the clock, staying up for 20 hours and sleeping for 10. The abiltiy to go "man I don't need to be up at 1AM, I have shit to do in the morning" and go to bed at 11 and actually sleep. That would be useful.
would be nice if I had more graphical imagination, but I just can't create detailed images in my head. I can either "see" the big picture but with no details, or can focus on some detail, but then loose the big picture.
this way I really can't draw stuff purely from my brain, I need references. and again, I can't really vary from those references.
there's room for practicing, obviously, but I have less and less time (and need, tbh) to develop my drawing skills, so I kinda gave up on it.
you know its not the work stress for me. I can leave that at the door. Its the transition from work stress to home stress that is the real issue and honestly its much harder to leave home stress at the door.
Change your mindset. Decide to put more effort into your personal life than you do work. Don't burn all your fuel for a workplace that doesn't care if you live or die.
I'm actually working on switching to a different team where I won't have to manage anyone else. I'm hoping that fixes some of it because a lot of the people I'm in charge of require a lot of baby sitting and my team is 24/7. Im already trying to lower the amount of effort I put in but if I do much less it makes things worse for my coworkers. I don't really care about the company beyond not getting fired but I do not want to create problems for my coworkers.
Tuning a musical instrument by ear. I have tried to "train" my ear and all that but no dice. I can play well enough but if stuff goes out of tune I have no idea until I check it or someone tells me
I wish I could do things carefully. Doesn't matter how hard I try; if I wash up water goes everywhere, even when I'm trying not to let it. I can't do cutting in when it's time to paint a room. I can't move things around without bumping them, usually. Just incapable of doing things carefully.
One thing that I have learned is that concentrating on something means doing it, whether concentrating on doing it right or wrong. So trying to not do something generally means doing the wrong thing because that is what I'm thinking about.
Doesn't help with clumsy stuff that just kinda happens, but at least I stopped focusing on avoiding mistakes and then making those mistakes and reduced the overall number.
I have the opposite problem as you, I wish I was more able to verbally express myself without becoming lost in the options during an open conversation, an issue I've always had to deal with.
Focus on reading a book.
I can do it but I have to be in the mood. I wish it were all the time but it's more like once a month. I'm trying to wean myself away from screens and be more mindful about spending more than a few minutes on a task. It's a lifestyle change and a struggle.
Also; spelling, typing, and writing in print and cursive. I always type and write letters out of order.
Ok. Mini-rant because I can't contain myself atm. Do you wanna know a badly-kept secret? I've been making art on and off for 29 years. My ass wishes I could draw too. A ton of artists wish they could draw.
Talent will only give you a leg up, and mainly just at the beginning. The rest, all of us have to struggle for and I'm quite sure very few of us appreciate having to do so. And no matter how good they get, there is always something they have no idea how to do yet or they have some idol whose style they envy more than their own. Or they're the type that only hates what they make because they're the one who made it.
Van Gogh had a painter friend named Gauguin, and they were both jealous of each other. There is no magical point that one hits where you feel like you're Good Enough. The best you can aim for is the kind of steady improvement you don't even notice happening except on a scale of years, and the confidence to acknowledge those improvements instead of hyper-focusing on every way it isn't what you saw in your head (it never is).
Go get a pencil or your ipad or whatever. Youtube is by far your biggest friend. Go look up videos about how to actually see what's in front of you instead of what your brain insists must logically be there. USE REFERENCE. Trace a photo over and over, then immediately try the same thing freehand -- this one is super useful, because a lot of drawing is also muscle memory. Break things down into simple shapes and then build on those. Use the open space between objects if you need to, to trick yourself into drawing something complex without getting lost in intimidating structural details.
When you've got those down, move onto perspective and composition. Cry a little if you have to, then get back to it. Because now you're able to do whole backgrounds. People? Do tons of deliberately imprecise gesture drawings. Give your OC a terrifying robot head, a pillow for a torso, and springs for limbs. But go get. Your pencil. And be ok with drawing at first like everyone thinks they draw.
My wife can read a a cookbook (or a recipe in general) and instantly contextualize what she's reading. If I could do that, too, there'd be a lot less strain in our marriage.
For that matter, remembering a list of more than three things for more than twenty minutes, that's abother one.
Woodworking, or any activity that involves crafting useful and/or beautiful things with my own two hands. I live in a flat so I lack space to do it, but the idea of using an object or a furniture everyday while knowing I actually made it from scratch is just so appealing to me
I spent an hour a day for a month trying to draw just the same character following a tutorial.
I wasn't a master, but the difference between "I look like a child scribbling" and "person who looks like they need more practice" really was just a month it felt like.
Juggling. I want to be able to juggle. Have tried so many times and failed so many times. No good reason, I just really want to be able to do it.
I'm quite willing to draw badly and sing badly, find those enjoyable even without talent. They seem like human things everyone does, and if I practice they get better. But for whatever reason, I am so jealous of those with reflexes that let them snatch balls out of the air, and haven't been able to learn this. When I practice I don't get better and it's frustrating.
I used to work with a guy who could draw. He would absentmindedly create masterpieces with a sharpie and a dirty sheet of cardboard while waiting on a machine to finish. He said the only reason he can do it is because he practiced.
Every cool thing you see someone do, they're only capable of it because they kept trying every day.
I wish I could speak Spanish fluently. Formal, immersion, and independent study got me nowhere. I REALLY want to go to Mexico City to see ruins and it would be helpful if I could carry a conversation.
There is a critical difference between talent and skill. Talent is naturally understanding and being good at something quickly. Skill is something that can be acquired and honed to perfection regardless of talent.
If you want to learn a new skill, just start doing it and stop being afraid of failing at it. In fact, the failures and fuck ups are the single greatest mechanisms by which your skills will improve.
Being able to do stuff without having to mentally prepare for days/weeks/months and then abandon it because it's just too much. I want to travel more, go on multi-day bike tours, start a business, whatever. It's almost impossible for me because I worry too much about every single detail that could happen.
I bet you could find a class on it somewhere. Trade school or adult edu or even a local car club might have occasional offerings. This one is on my list too.
I could go to a community college around me (I know they teach it), but scheduling it around work might take some work. You know, I think I might actually look and see if they have an occasional weekend course. I don't have to be a professional welder, just good enough.
Home Depot rents out gas-less mig welders surprisingly cheap. You could spend a fun 3-4 hours noodling around trying simple welding of angle iron pieces!
All kinds of things really although mostly they're on my list to learn so I'll have them one day. Tatting might be my main one for 2024.
(Edit: Forgot the "why". Mostly because it's come up twice lately here on Lemmy and I feel left out while other people are making pretty lace)
I do wish I could learn to draw a bit better, to play the piano, and to speak multiple languages. But realistically I don't have that kind of time so have to go with things that are quicker to pick up!
How to be charismatic and influence people socially the way I want to. I have a very veery hard time making friends and flirting with girls I'm interested in, those two things are something I would gladly trade my above average intelligence in to be moderately better at
Self study. I don't understand how people can just self study to be senior software devs at FAANG, that's just crazy to me. For me, it needs to be more guided.