Harris says US will ‘under no circumstances’ permit forced relocation of Palestinians

Citations?

That's what I got from this.

Shitty how politics has become nothing but coded language that we need to decipher to figure out what's really going on.

Is it “mere talk” when Biden says US support for Israel is unconditional? No, we can and should criticize him for that because those words encourage Israel to act without restraint. But, conversely, when the US signals that they will not support actions like forced relocation, we should also see that as a corrective, not “mere talk”.

To your point, in IR theory, there also exists phenomena such as the paradox of empty promises, where making unfulfilled promises can worsen human rights. But that claim is more nuanced: the problem occurs when promises are empty. That doesn’t mean all promises are empty or promising doesn’t matter. Public declarations are a necessary step (but insufficient on their own) to justify further action.

Yeah, I call people who kill 5000 children with bombs murderers.

Fun fact. Murder does not justify more murder.

Yeah and before that there were Jews living in Palestine in peace. Until the Europeans decided they wanted to eject all the Jews from their population because the Europeans were incredibly anti semitic.

Then those colonist Zionists got weapons from the Europeans and killed the natives with it.

Jews are the natives

A war 1400 years ago does not justify colonizing and slaughtering natives right now. Surely you can see how fucked up that is?

By that logic, can African Americans or Chinese Americans return to their respective continents, occupy an entire country by displacing its current population, and claim it as their ancestral land? How delusional.

And since when is "the period of Judah" an accurate historical reference point?

Theodor Herzl, founder of Zionism, was just a racist colonizer, and saw it as bringing 'civilization' to 'barbarians' as the rest of Europe did when they were colonizing and enslaving Africa and Asia:

"We should there form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism. We should as a neutral State remain in contact with all Europe, which would have to guarantee our existence." Source [II]

That is exactly what's happening right now. All for European and US military and economic interests in the region; for their ruling class of capitalist corporations at least.

Israel is just a modern western colony committing genocide on natives. It's keeping the middle-east divided and preventing them from uniting against the Imperial core.

Gaza has been an open-air prison trapping the natives the whole time. And you're trying to deny their right to fight back against colonizers and settlers? They're literally openly colonizing the West Bank right now with their whole "Area C" garbage. It's disgusting.

want to help support their backwards culture of misogyny

Jesus christ, the US and Europe are the ones constantly keeping the Middle East at war to keep oil cheap and military profits high, and keeping them from making societal progress. And I'm saying that as an ex-Muslim. This is literally British colonialist era racist thinking of seeing 'the other side' as barbarians.

The PFLP, the second largest Palestinian liberation group after Fatah, calls for a secular Palestinian state where Jews, Muslims, Christians, etc. will live together in peace. Modern Fatah even accepts a two-state solution (and they have every right not to).

Only Hamas is mixing up Zionists with Jews, and that's entirely because of Israel and the Imperial core's constant oppression, displacement, and now genocide of the natives.

Palestinians are refugees that no one wants. Not even their Islamic brethren in other countries. Israel worked to negotiate many peace deals and even had a work visa program. The apartheid-style sanctions were due to security constraints because the Palestinians kept blowing shit up....Many of the radicalized Palestinians don’t appreciate Western culture and think that it’s an affront of their religion. They want women to have minimal rights. It blows me away that many left-leaning individuals want to help support their backwards culture of misogyny.

You sound like a child describing to their parent why one of their action toys was able to beat up one of their other action toys. You also seem to have very little ability to comprehend how you cannot make blanket generalizations about groups of millions of people, which coincidentally is the root of why the genocide of the Palestinian people is being allowed to happen.

Your story is missing quite a bit.

First of all, Jew refers to both a religion and ethnicity, but in this context (Israel) is almost exclusively ethnic.

Palestinians are Jews (the religion), Christians and Muslims, not exclusively Muslim. The PLO is an explicitly religiously tolerant group whose logo was a menorah, cross and crescent moon.

Hamas, the Muslim Palestinian extremist group, was primarily funded and supported by Israel to break PLO dominance of Palestinian politics, because fighting a religiously tolerant nationalist movement that had recently commited to non-violence was bad optics internationally.

The Palestinians were forced at gunpoint to abandon their homes and move to Gaza and the West Bank during the Nakba in 1948.

I guess the native Americans can start killing Americans then

blows me away that many left-leaning individuals want to help support their backwards culture of misogyny

If you're left-leaning too, I'd suggest looking at this through the wider lens of European/US Imperialism/Capitalism/Colonialism and how it keeps the global south from making economic or societal progress even after colonialism supposedly 'ended' in 1997 (not that long ago). Second Thought, Hakim, and Yugopnik make great videos on the topic.

Religion does certainly play a role in misogyny, but it's nothing that can't be overcome in a non-oppressive society imo.

Palestinians are refugees

Every major country recognizes Palestine as a country except for the US and Israel.

Edit: this is horribly wrong, all of western europe holds the same position as the US, and the number of countries that recognize palestine is padded with a high number of countries that aren't relevant to the conflict at all.

You're right that other Muslim majority countries do not want to take in Palestinians as refugees, but you're wrong that they are naturally refugees. They have homes, and half of their homes were bones into oblivion in these past few months.

Uh... The people living in these places tend to wanna keep their homes so... Fuck off with your propaganda.

I don't think it's racist to acknowledge that it's easier for a country to take in refugees who share the culture, religion, and language of the majority of the population. Europe's integration of refugees who don't have these things in common hasn't gone very well. The USA generally does better, but that may just be because most of the refugees showing up here can integrate into the large existing community of Spanish-speakers.

I'm not making this argument myself, but I can see how someone could argue that "we have too many of 'those people' here already" without being racist if "those people" are poor foreigners who don't have the skills (language and higher education) necessary to thrive here.