Do you feel this place has gotten more.. reddit-y lately?
Of course, that's to be expected, with people migrating from Reddit and all, but the title is kind of badly worded.
Feel there's a lot more argumentative and just kind of.. angry users on here. (have you seen Sync fans biting everyone's asses over saying money should be spent funding instances and not an app?)
Live laugh love Lemmy though :)
This seems like such a (relatively) simple fix, I'm surprised it hasn't been implemented yet. I'm almost tempted to try writing a PR of my own at this point.
kbin has that feature!
When you block an instance on kbin does that mean users from that instance don't see your content at all when logged into that instance? That's something I've wanted in case in the future some instances federate with Meta, so I don't provide content for Meta users to see or interact with so they need to log out of Meta or sign up for another instance to view content.
Connect and I believe Thunder can block entire instances as well as specific communities and users
I've tried not to block instances (or communities for that matter), because you never know what good communities may appear there at a later date. Instead I generally stick to viewing only my subscribed communities, while occasionally venturing out into Everything to see if there's anything good I've missed.
I guess it's like using Reddit front page vs using /r/all. I never liked /r/all, so doing it this way is much closer to my Reddit experience.
I guess the good thing is we can all tailor our experiences as we prefer :-)
This isn’t a Reddit problem, it’s a human problem. The more people who join, the more trolls, edge lords, and just plain assholes will show their ugly heads. Instead of lamenting the “Reddit like” nature and jumping ship, I’d say just work on tailoring your experience. Stop browsing All, subscribe to the communities you enjoy, and block or ignore the instances and people you don’t want to see. We have the ability to tailor this experience to our liking, it just takes a bit of effort. And above all, just keep being positive and encouraging to others and that will spread around.
It's getting more peoply. Just the way people are.
How dare they! Everyone must arrive completely free of bias and judgement, nice, and open-minded.
It's an unattainable ideal yes. But it's okay to lament the decline in behavior as a social web service grows. Perhaps as a reminder to everyone to try to be better.
Feel there's a lot more argumentative and just kind of.. angry users on here. (have you seen Sync fans biting everyone's asses over saying money should be spent funding instances and not an app?)
Just on that particular point, part of the problem is the range of quite-to-extremely hostile comments towards the dev.
Those of us who've used Sync for years know (as well can be known, at least) that the guy is solid and trustworthy - and the way some people have been talking about him and his motives is both unfair and inaccurate. It's natural that there's going to be pushback on that sort of thing.
Which isn't to say that the prices can't be queried or criticised of course, I was slightly surprised myself initially (although given how much I've used Sync over the years for very little outlay, it doesn't bother me as much).
But when it goes beyond questioning the prices, and moves into unfounded criticism of his character and integrity, that's too much IMO.
Honestly, yeah. I've been pretty disappointed in general, to be honest. Once you take away all the bot-spam, zero-effort memes, and doomerism, there isn't a while lot of actual content on here.
Which is unfortunate, because I love the concept of Lemmy, and I can't go back to Reddit. I'm still holding out hope, though.
I set aside some time to really browse communities and subscribe to the ones I'm interested in. My Home feed is pretty good now and isn't just filled with memes and porn. Sure, there aren't as much comments as reddit, but it also makes discussions more meaningful because my comments are not instantly buried in low-effort jokes and puns. I just browse All from time to time to see what else is out there and maybe discover some new communities. It also helps to have accounts on different instances because the Local feed varies too.
My technique is browse All then just block the communities that I'm not interested in, that way I won't miss any new community that sprouts up.
there isn’t a while lot of actual content on here.
I mean how many posts/threads do you really need a day? I read 10-15 or so. That's plenty
10-15? That's childs play. I honestly read probably an order of magnitude more than that.
In my current subscribed feed, I'm lucky to get 10-15 posts total in a week, and even on All I don't see nearly 10-15 threads I'm actually interested in in a week.
I realize a large part of this could be that I need to subscribe to more communities, but I haven't seen any more that I'm into yet.
I'm not getting any of that stuff because I don't subscribe to communities that allow that stuff.
I've just taken a look at the "all" tab for the first time and I agree it's horrendous - but it was like that on Reddit as well, I think the solution is to only subscribe to what you're interested in.
Yeah, definitely. On Reddit I used to browse both Subscribed and All (with lots of filters). I agree that it was rough there too, but unfortunately I just haven't found enough active communities here to subscribe to.
Either way, I'm here for the long haul, and I'm sure it'll get better over time.
I died a little when I read "Live laugh love lemmy". That should be illegal!
I'm about to have a g*mer moment over that. Disgusting
Thats better than live laugh liao
Anything is
I feel like it was super reddit-y at the start of July, and then it started calming down to how it was before.
Well, have you seen FOSS fans biting everyone's asses over saying user experience is important and labor should be paid? Yeah, people getting their preferences called out and ridiculed usually causes that. It's like getting into a small subreddit and stirring shit by saying that their collective opinion is wrong.
Before the great Reddit exodus, Lemmy was just an echo chamber for a small subset of like-minded people. Now you get Reddit Lite. Enjoy it!!
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This comment is almost poetic lol
In my experience, this has always been a problem after a forum grows beyond a certain size. It’s not really a Reddit-exclusive thing. It’s also not related to karma/reputation-tracking, IMO.
Early adopters of a small, somewhat empty community are people who want to grow the community and encourage posting. Discussion is bright and careful in certain ways because it’s usually just a few commenters interacting with each other who all want the same thing.
Once a community grows big enough to support lurkers and a variety of topics, with multifaceted discussion happening naturally, you have a familiar effect happen: you know how people are disproportionately more likely to review a product or business if they had a negative experience than a positive one? Well, in a similar way, when there’s enough content to lurk (and not be one of the early enthusiasts who post in spite of a lack of content, as a duty to help the community grow), then lurkers are more likely to come out of the woodwork and join a discussion when they see something they disagree with or feel strongly about.
Honestly, though, it has a few silver linings. I grew up learning a lot from arguments online in various places. Sometimes they are handled well and sometimes they are handled poorly by the participants. Learn from both. It’s great to see two sides of an issue, even a petty one. It can teach you a ton about how to behave well, how to actually persuade someone on a topic, and how to avoid conflict in the first place. It can also teach you about a controversial topic you knew little about, and spark your curiosity to learn more (if only to refute something with citations) and sometimes change your opinion altogether.
The healthy/toxic dichotomy starts in your own mind. You can’t control others, but you can control yourself. So find those little positive nuggets where you can.
Us old greybeards remember this as "Eternal September",.when AOL users were let off the leash.
Definitelynot a Reddit problem this is humanity at its core.
This is Barbara Striesand.
As older lemmy users try to reject the reddit influence, it will become the modus operandi.
Ever raised a kid? 😁
Well said, I do hate to see discord between users, but what is a forum if everyone has one mind and there's no discussion to be had. Civility is key to open people's minds to your own view. And yours to theirs.
This is one of the most reddit-y posts I've seen so fae
Yes. Politically militant people are becoming more common. This time last month people seemed to have been much more agreeable even if they didn't agree with you.
I noticed it when going outside my subscribed feed shifted from being kind of nerdy tech and games topics to being more flooded with memes and a whole lot of politics and news. Not that there's anything wrong with those communities. It's just not what I'm interested in, and with that type of content starting to dominate and making it harder to find new communities I'm interested in I started blocking a bunch of communities again. Especially when communities like against____spam started popping up, since those spam the most content about ____.
I have noticed an uptick in trolling in the past few weeks, since around the same time as the attacks began. They usually delete if you call them out.
I've started using the block button liberally. Specifically on users that seem to be only interested in stirring the pot and not actually interested in having any kind of actual discussion. I also just blocked a weird influx of porn bots linking the strangest domains on !random@kbin.social that were all created yesterday
I rarely blocked people on reddit but the pool is much smaller here so you tend to run into the same troll repeatedly or they spam throughout ansingle thread
Ive taken to just reporting and blocking left and right because i dont have the mental bandwidth to spend on someone who is looking for fights and not legitimate arguments
I noticed the botspam too. I submitted a report, but I have no idea where it goes. lol Someone else said it was loaded with malware though. I didn't click on any of it to find out, personally. Better safe than sorry.
How DO you block people on Lemmy anyhow? I can't seem to find the button for it, I just seem to be able to block subs as a whole.
There's a lot of people saying
"Can we not do that reddit thing here?"
Like it or hate it, reddit is a monolithic cultural icon. The things you think are "reddit" things are part of one of the most popular internet cultures of all time.
Have you not heard of Barbara Streisand? As reddit fractures, it's culture will bleed into every corner of the web their users occupy.
You will not contain a culture with your opinions or words. Your options are:
Accept it. Bite your tongue. Downvote. Don't engage.
Or
Be miserable.
For the love of God, stop complaining about it and trying to control it. Barbra Streisand.
You take any topic, with passionate fans and they'll defend it. A lot of it probably from the backlash was the first thing they saw.
I'll keep it real, I paid for Sync because of the decade history with that app and plan on doing the same (a post linked a way to do it) with the instance I'm in. I see me being on Lemmy a lot and looking forward to keeping the positive vibes going.
See but at least some of that is going to make it back to an instance host and help keep servers going, and I think that’s the biggest gripe myself and a lot of people have with the sync iaps and advertising
Why do you think it's an either/or? It isn't at all.
Besides, sync was always monetized, and everyone that was asking/begging Dawson to migrate the app knew that. The only people surprised are people that didn't use it to begin with, and aren't going to use it now.
Were you not a reddit user, or a third party app user? Like, most of the reddit apps were Monetized in some way. Apollo, the app that was the tipping point for the reddit rage was heavily monetized, and people were begging Christian to port it over.
The whole thing is crazy. If a given person wants to use it and pay for it, that's their business. Dawson did nothing bad by porting the app, or monetizing it from the beginning. How many great apps have fucked up by not monetizing from the beginning? Look at pushbullet and how it started so great, but then had to backpeddle and increase monetizing, only to alienate users because it was a change.
I'm sorry you don't like capitalism, and I'm sorry we're stuck inside it too. But an app like this is a pretty time intensive thing. You either kill your spare time working on it as a hobby, or you monetize so you can avoid how much time it sucks from you by not having to work on other things.
Por que no los dos?
Homie's been updating sync for over a decade. He actually asked us what he should do and we told him to make a lemmy app. Sync for Lemmy was trending in play store social media apps at #6 yesterday.
I'm from reddit and I hate the reddit shit as much as you. I was actually looking forward to some interesting conversations. Lemmy'll grow and part of that growth will be development and part of it will be social norms around federation and these damn kids.
Oh I'm aware why people gripes. Almost all the biggest threads I've seen are about it, memes, just and endless wave of it. It's just a trip to see the Lemmy Patreon with 484 people subscribed to it with this many people on Lemmy.
I love the idea and spirit of Lemmy, I think decentralized and federated networks show a ton of promise…
However my experiences so far trying to engage in intelligent discussion/debate on Lemmy have been far more combative and frankly mean than I can ever recall on even the most “passionate” subreddits I participated in.
I think it’s a cross-section of the kinds of people who are enthusiastic about federated networks, and people who are knowledgeable enough to be early adopters here. But I’ll be honest, it has definitely cooled my interest in participating in discussion on Lemmy instances.
I don’t appreciate being called names or being accused of being a bad faith actor simply because I’m asking questions or challenging a viewpoint, and that seems to be the outcome of nearly every interaction here.
It doesn’t do any favors for changing the perception that Lemmy (and other federated platforms like Mastodon) are populated by terminally online keyboard warriors.
There’s a distinct feeling that if you support or even just use “traditional” (non-federated) platforms, or otherwise are not fully committed to 100% decentralization or open source, you are the enemy here.
I don’t want to go back to Reddit, and I won’t because of the absolutely abhorrent things their leadership has done and continues to do, but Lemmy users in my experience are overwhelmingly hostile and it sucks.
Maybe you are in the wrong instance , or community.. Though I do acknowledge that people are super foss and decentralized avengers here. And also there are a large number of anti corporation and anti capitalists inhabiting lemmy. But mostly I've found people have been civil, the ones that I have encountered.
Anyway there's always the block and report button for those special kind of internet people who I can consider as not in my interest to have another encounter again.
This almost perfectly mirrors my experience here. Overwhelming hostility and immediate jump to accusations of trolling, or being a 'bad actor' in some other way.
I've only had one thread conversation which really felt like a proper Reddit one (and it wasn't a political one, a TV related one).
It depends on your definition but for me it's roughly 'able to have civil conversation/debate without descending into attacks or points being dismissed because you don't like them and generally feeling like you're dealing with a 14 year old'
That said not every Reddit interaction is completely shit, it's just more likely to become that way
I think one of the problem is all the influx of apps and webUIs that display "karma" also known as points as a total. Now people are starting to follow some kind of mental herd of saying the right thing to not get downvoted.
As a rule applied to myself, disabling of showing vote numbers is one of the settings I activate.
And make it a point to not look at "points" displayed by the app.
I remember thinking karma was a neat system when I joined Reddit, but it only ended up creating a toxic atmosphere.
I get that a score system might be valuable for posts themselves, but I wish we didn't have them on individual profiles...
It's intersting that the very first paid app that I can recall for lemmy, kbin, or Mastodon is one that showed up with ad integration. Kind of intersting for platforms that don't have ads to begin with.
Just my personal experience, but I do feel like people have been a lot quicker to be snippy and not as nice and welcoming these last two weeks or so compared to a 2 months ago when I first got here.
The lack of bots help. Honestly I wasn't sure how many posts on the old site were made by actual people anymore (or just hired propagandists/"advertisers") .
My last scroll through the front page had the stink of CHATGPT + paid posters/reposters on it and the comments were just repeated deja vu.
Yes, posted under a video tbag maybe a guy shouldn't get beaten to tears fir stealing cigarettes from 7/11 and I got massdownvited while someone saying they were glad the employee broke company policy of just leaving the fucking guy alone, because they don't want the liability and the losses are negligible.
Like he's stealing from a big Corp tbag steals from it's workers, WHO CARES?! I certainly wouldn't care enough to beat a man with a board!
I agree but FYI franchises might have a brand on the front door but regular people own and operate them.
So like, idk the whole story, but in the vid, the camera man was asking the stick-weilding guy if the dudes been stealing from him for a while. 7/11 doesn't protect/reimburse store owners for theft.
But yeah, the dude holding him down coulda just held him til cops got there. Is gross that it was so highly upvotes and celebrated.
I’m super tired of seeing all this circlejerking over sync and people acting like I’m crazy for not spending money to make an app ad free when I could just keep using my free ad free app
Yeah, I use Jerboa because it's fine and it's FOSS. No ads, acceptable content management, and frankly, not being really amazingly fine tuned means I don't want to stay on it forever. I would rather send my money to my instance admin to keep the server running.
I just wanted to read some Strange Planet and Extra Fabulous Comics... Maybe a little Pizzacake... See what the latest memes are... I had no idea what Barbieheimer was until CNN told me...
I haven't used Reddit in a good couple of months, but there are some things I miss. Anyway, I promise not to reply to anything with "This"...
Beans were popular a couple weeks ago. I see more random memes than reddit, it's still a wild wild west of funny memes.
This
This
Noooooooooooooo...
Yeah, though that's largely because the assholes that migrated tend to be idiots, so it took them a while to get past the learning curve.
Luckily, we have a block function.
Well, when I look at the All communities list, I'm not yet seeing an endless flood of groups with "_irl", "circlejerk", or groups for every single damn anime in existence.
So, thankfully, it's not feeling too Reddit just yet.
groups for every single damn anime in existence.
Subreddits for small niche interests is the thing I miss most from reddit and the only thing I return for now and then. Maybe I don't care for those singular anime, but I'm glad the people that do have/had it available to them.
Right now I can't watch twitch whole working so the only places to get a quick update on evo (what many consider to be the biggest fighting game tournament yearly, happening now) are reddit and twitter. Not great imo.
I get that, but the anime subs were just so absurdly numerous. I just wanted to browse /r/all without having the entire page be anime and "weeb" stuff. I would click to filter out subs over and over and over again, which would help for a while, but eventually /r/all would be flooded with a new batch of anime subs. All I wanted was a "filter out all anime subs" checkbox in the settings.
I think part of what annoyed me about the anime subs also is how much of it was the lowest of low-effort content (which was the same state of affairs for the "irl" and "circlejerk" subs, hence why I disliked them just as much). If I skimmed /r/all and came across thoughtful discussions about subjects that didn't interest me, that never bothered me. But a screenful of crappy image posts never failed to annoy me.
I'm not arguing that the subs didn't have a right to exist or anything, all I'm saying is that I personally found them annoying, wanted to not see them, and have enjoyed the fact that I'm not seeing so much of that same content now that I'm browsing Lemmy instead.
I'm already having Reddit style debates so definitely
Too many bad faith weirdos
The ratio of good discussions to that noise is pretty good though
Holy crap dude, I saw this a day or so ago and just kind of passed over it thinking "eh, no way it's THAT bad"...but every discussion I've had today has devolved into these weird accusations and almost conspiracy-like behavior (replies with things like "you're from THAT orange site aren't you? I came here to get away from people like you")...
It's like some of the people here are super amped up, and we're not even talking political corners of lemmy, just normal ass groups like piracy, or 3d printing, etc.
Reddit migrant here. I actually much prefer the conversations here. Comment threads are still small enough to be manageable, people seem more patient and helpful, and overall, it's less toxic.
As for the Sync drama, I'm perfectly happy with Connect, but I'm looking forward to Boost, which was my Reddit app of choice.
Mine too. There are so many clients now though, we will see how it compares. I'm still on Liftoff since it just feels the most right to me.
It does feel that way a bit, but it's important to keep pushing for a positive experience here. If any given instance becomes too toxic, we always have the option to move and de-federate. It's nice for that to be a possibility.
Only when I sort by active. If I sort by top last 6 hours, there aren't nearly as many comments on each post, but that means fewer people being argumentative/"holier than thou" on average.
Sync fans
That's the core of the issue, the vast majority of them want a Reddit experience here. Before the app announcement, the general vibe here was putting privacy and online freedom above convenience, without obviously neglecting the latter. Now strangely enough, we suddenly got brigades of Redditors putting in a lot of effort to repeatedly defend their overpriced purchase and troll those who dare to say that an ad-funded "free" Lemmy app is just plain wrong.
Power tripping mods are also here, glad Lemmy has a federation and free speech instances.
free speech instances
Any examples?
It's less toxic here.
Don’t look at political communities
I had the impression reddit was overall less toxic compared to other social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter. I always thought that it was the "community" aspect of reddit responsible for this. People want to belong to a community and are generally less toxic towards fellow community members.
Maybe I was lucky in my community selection?
That said, I'm happy to be here instead of reddit... It certainly feels a lot more welcoming!
Definitely way less toxic. Even though I'm still mostly a lurker, I'm at ease to stop and make comments without feeling that usual Reddit pressure.
Agreed. Also a Reddit migrant, and I feel like even if it's changed here since our mini exodus (which I believe), I'm still finding it much more pleasant than Reddit.