2y ago

It always boils down to this

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Admits? Acknowledging that destroying capitalism is key to addressing the climate catastrophe is like admitting the sky is blue (or orange and smoky, as the case may be).
- It would be real weird if she did not conclude this
- Agreed! And at least one young public figure says it.
- Most people don't want to face the truth of the propaganda in front of them. It is easy to believe what your state wants you to believe. or keep you in a box to talk about anything other than capitalism.

I'm sorry to use such harsh language, but anyone who doesn't understand that the world cannot be saved under capitalism is a few eggs short of a dozen.
- I want people to have a good think and realize what's the end game in capitalism. Each generation, more wealth and resources are hoarded by the most rich and powerful, and lower classes are left with less and less.
- the contradictions of capitalism will be the end of itself, however we are now in a race with climate change, so we may end up in perishing in mass by unlivable wet bulb temperatures.
  the water wars will be interesting though.
  ipcc report ftw.
  
  Especially once you consider the IPCC reports are often criticized for being out of date by the time of their release/conservative in their predictions. The bottom line is you're right and we'll hit wet bulb temps of like 120 fahrenheit before the people in power ever consider putting something besides their bank accounts at the top of their priorities. It makes it interesting, though, for sure, considering the people most resistant to change have the least need for any further accumulation of wealth: it's basically just a game to them.
  The water wars are going to be awesome....considering the percentage of freshwater on this planet that we've polluted to the point where it's dangerous to drink...? It'll be a wild time.

Well she's not wrong......

Good for her. She finally grew up and saw reality.
- comrade, she is just aoc for zoomers
  
  AOC is AOC for zoomers, Greta doesn’t have any power and there’s still some hope for her.

I love how some people hold her to much higher standards than the politicians they vote for.
I hope she has a good future. This is a good citizen of this world, something we lack dearly.
- Thank you!

Man, this comment section is something
- I think the "late stage capitalism" subreddit was lib friendly, so they see this one and behave the way they did there.

well, shes not wrong.
- She's not wrong, but I feel its the wrong decision and statement to make.
  
  why?

I’m used to everything pro-Ukraine on this instance being downvoted to hell. Everyone who supports Russia is being downvoted instead. What is going on?
- Must have showed up on a bunch of people from other instances’ “all” feeds.
- Lot of Nazi fans popping in from other instances I guess.
  
  Or your echo chamber is leaking

Greta: Capitalism is to blame
\ Also Greta: meets up with volodymyr zelenśkyj
- Russia is not the alternative to capitalism, they are part of it.
  
  But there is something worse than capitalism: imperialism
  
  https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white
- I don't get it
  
  Well, what do you think about Zelenśkyj?

She still needs to kill some very nasty lib brainworms, I remember seeing some lib takes a few weeks ago from her
- I am unaware. May you please explain their bad takes?
  
  Well the link is gone, she was outright supporting nato which is the enforcer of capitaism/american hegemony

I'm glad she came to this conclusion, but her actions after that statement don't seem to go too hand in hand.
- What actions?
  
  Anti-Russian/pro-Ukraine stuff

Realize the root of our biggest problems is inherent to the capitalist system we created and live in [speedrun - any%]

Schellenberger is such a clueless opportunist that he can't possibly understand. It's incredibly ironic when you look at the various things he's argued for in the past as well.

original article
watch out. the comment section is complete filth
- You weren't lying about the comment section, sheesh.
- Generally the people that do comment under articles aren't very good people, don't forget those that just, you know, don't.
- It's usually people that don't understand what's going on or take things out of context or just plain want to hate that comment on articles. Oh, and trolls.
- This article is over 8 months old.
- I'd like to kindly remind people that Social Media and News Literacy do not go hand in hand.
  Please don't get your news from Social Media. Find journalistic institutions that you can assess as credible, and get your news that way.
  The other way lies doomscrolling and conspiracy theories.

Show and prove; that's all I have to say about that.
- Exactly, she said one thing, did the opposite. Btw i think i seen the that tweet from OP few months ago, so we already know.
  
  She reminds me of my favorite Cameo song. Talkin' out the side of her neck.

Kind of weird given that last week she was just supporting Ukraine. I'm confused right now. Like, Wagner coup level confused.
- Wdym, there are plenty of ultras that hate Russia and also capitalism in general
  
  Ok, I guess that makes a bit more sense. I remember everyone called her a lib though. I even wrote it into my fanfic, better change it to something else...
- I’m sure I’m in for a fun ride with this question, but what’s wrong with supporting Ukraine?
  Like as opposed to what, Russia?
  
  nazis. also USA.
  
  Nothing wrong with supporting Ukraine when it comes to the war itself, but supporting Zelinski beyond that is a bad look since he's displayed significant authoritarian tendencies with actions democratic countries would normally condemn, such as instituting mandatory military service for all men without any exceptions, banning opposition parties under false pretenses and possibly prolonging the war in favor of a costly (not least in terms of human lives) and probably impossible to achieve aim of decisive victory rather than negotiated peace.
  Add to that the fact that the NATO presently in a symbiotic propaganda relationship with Zelinski isn't the automatically correct peacekeeping force that it has mostly been portrayed as in Western media, but rather an enforcer of military and economic imperialism that bear some (but of course not the majority, nobody forced Putin to invade) of the blame for starting the war as their broken promises to not expand east was part of the reason why the christofascist dictator wrongly decided that an invasion was justified if not downright necessary.
  There's your explanation why having an amicable meeting with Zelinski doesn't gel with being left wing and anticapitalist. It'll probably be hated by most for not painting either side as pure as the driven snow and automatically correct about everything, but that's just how it is 🤷

Yeah it's the same goal

All I can say is fight power wherever it is. Capitalism, what have you, anything run by shitty, self serving people. Evolve or bust. I'm thinking we're more of a bust, but you never know (;

What can I say. Seems like a clever girl with internally consistent views if she got there from ecology. Who knows, maybe she'll even stop supporting Ukraine at some point!
If she isn't a media project.
- overthrow capitalism
  supports empire's military adventures
  internally consistent
  hmmm
  
  All I'm saying is that every consistent [insertideologyname] eventually gets to the root of the problem and this is not bad for a 20y.o. who was not only raised in lib consensus, but also got dragged through it's media machine from childhood.
  And, again, that is if she's genuine at all. There is more pressing shit for me to pay attention to in Russia, than European Greens, so I'm not very up to date on her escapades.

as far as I can tell she's firmly ensconced in the shitlib territory.. she speaks out of both sides of her mouth so easily as they're wont to do

She should start with reddit
- Reddit is already doing an excellent job overthrowing itself.

It sucks that Greta gets so much attention. The right uses her as a kind of straw man of climate change. She's so dislikable.
- What makes her dislikable?
  
  She's everything conservatives are not - young, intelligent, educated and principled.
  Imagine your average facebook-posting climate-denier. Do you think Greta is the right messenger to reach them ?

Yes, why are we still paying any attention to this autist?

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