Biden admin calls transgender athletes in school sports "complicated"
Biden admin calls transgender athletes in school sports "complicated"
"It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said on Tuesday.
"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Jean-Pierre said. "There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated. There is a rule that the Department of Education [DOE] has put forward, and we're going to let that process move forward, and again, we want to make sure that while we establish guardrails with this rule, we also prevent discrimination, as well, against transgender kids. But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that."
"Absolutely no reason for the Biden admin to do this," New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wrote. "It is indefensible and embarrassing. The admin can still walk this back, and they should. It's a disgrace."
"Honestly, this move by Biden to push a rule on trans kids in sports is not only a backwards betrayal, it [forces] us to have to spend our time dealing with god d*** sports instead of criminal bans on our healthcare," Alejandra Caraballo, a civil rights attorney and LGBTQ+ advocate, wrote. "He could have just done nothing. This is legitimizing transphobia."
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"A complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that" Fuck off out of here with that "centrist" nonsense. There's nothing complicated about it, and it's not an issue unless you want to turn it into one and want to appeal to people's emotions like Republicans are doing. It was only a matter of time before they'd start throwing trans people under the bus. I guess with the coming elections it's as good a time as ever.
Just in case anyone from other instances are stopping by, this is how liberal democracy leads to fascism. You have a right wing party that wants to criminalize being trans while tacitly supporting physical violence and extermination. The only viable opposition party can't even use decisive language about the validity and existence of trans people among cis people. Because it might hurt their polling.
Now the strongest, political position from the "left" is "it's complicated." So when the right starts being very clear about violence and carrying it out through official state entities, the new left position will be even more to the right. Because they already gave up on "Trans people should participate in the things cis people do." So it's not even about trans people living a normal life. Historically, by the time we get there, it doesn't matter what the left position is anymore. Because the right has taken over and are putting people in camps.
This is why it's so very annoying to hear about harm reduction and voting the lesser evil. That's not how it works. One hand washes the other. The lesser evil just leads to greater evil getting strong anyways. It doesn't stop it or bide you time. The only lesser evil is violent revolution, which is only evil if you don't understand what's at stake here.
I'm one of those people from other instances stopping by that hasn't thought a lot about this issue.
It's a shame that US politics seems to be so boolean. As in, the only acceptable position for a political party is the polar opposite of their opposition.
What if an issue is genuinely complicated and cannot be resolved by a three word statement of position? Can there be no discussion around that?
What if an issue is genuinely complicated and cannot be resolved by a three word statement of position? Can there be no discussion around that?
That's fine if it's an issue that is worthy of debate.
We're talking here specifically about the rights and survival of human beings, and in that kind of case, no. There is no room for debate. There is no complexity. You either support people's right to live, or you don't. There fundamentally cannot be a grey area here; any response that includes the words "yes, but" automatically cedes ground to fascists.
Kids can be up to a year older than their classmates due to the way kindergarten start date cutoffs work. These kids who arbitrarily end up older tend to outperform their peers, because a 7.9 year old is stronger and faster than a 7 year old. This is a real difference - the NHL did a study on this and found that their players disproportionately have early-year birthdays due to how this effect lines up with hockey camps.
Do you care? Of course not, nobody cares about the competitive fairness of kids' sports, the point is just to get them to exercise and have a hobby. We can verify that nobody takes this seriously by looking at high school sports, where suddenly a four year age gap is acceptable.
Okay, so why does this suddenly matter when it's what team a trans kid should be on?
Libs get the wall too.
I remember reading that when Utah did their ban on trans athletes in school sports, there was exactly one trans girl playing in a girls' sport in the whole state. Exactly one. Statewide legislature passing laws focused on one person, a child.
All this scrutiny and transphobia is directed at literal children, many of whom might be the only trans athlete out of millions. Transphobia is such a disgusting thing to me, not only because of the chauvinism and bigotry, but because it's just so senseless. Trans people are already rare enough as it is and also one of the most vulnerable populations in regards to poverty, assault, unemployment, etc. I've seen some statistics saying that only around 1,000 people in America initiate HRT per year. That should give an idea of just how rare and vulnerable trans people are. And now there's a senseless cultural panic just to whip up a few more eyeballs on the spectacle?
Death to America
I've seen some statistics saying that only around 1,000 people in America initiate HRT per year.
Can I get a source on that? Can't find one myself but I live in the gay city so it might just seem like more
Found a summary of a 2015 John Hopkins study.
Estimates vary widely but it is believed that between 3,000 and 9,000 Americans undergo sex reassignment surgery each year. Transition medical care can include hormone replacement therapy, mastectomy, plastic surgery, psychotherapy and more.
It doesn't seem like there's a good central source on numbers like this. John Hopkins is a respected medical institution and even they're saying "estimates vary widely" and "It's believed." I think part of it is this isn't recorded in census data and perhaps most trans people who get HRT or GRS are kinda private about it? No idea, but it's still so absurd to me that reactionaries have decided trans people are their mortal enemy now. Trans people are incredibly rare and they're much poorer and more vulnerable than cis people.
Okay, so democrats may not be harm reduction, but they'll... checks notes ...look the other way as others cause harm?
Ah the abortion playbook
Wow! I love having my continued existence being labelled “complicated” by people in high elected offices.
Clearly we need to ban all sports until we can figure out and resolve what the fuck is wrong with Americans.
What if we need to ban all Amerikans until we know what the fuck is wrong with sports?
This also works
I unironically think blanket bans on sport might be interesting, mostly because I want to see how
types might react to seeing something so fundamental to their lives and character yanked out from beneath their feet. Chicago vs. NY? Philidelphia vs. LA? Spain vs. UK? Brazil vs. Poland? Go get a life, dog
do not cede ground to the right. for god's sakes, do not cede ground to the right.
Trans people matter, sports don't.
This sports transphobia is mostly directed at trans girls/femme/women, right?
Are they doing this shit to AFAB people in men's sports?
Regardless all this discourse is wrapped up in misogyny too, implying that people AFAB are always going to be worse at sports.
And it doesn't take into account the general unfairness in sports. Some people are born into wealthy families who can afford to feed their kids, get them healthcare, and train them into sports.
It's all the talking points about affirmative action, just in a different font.
yes. You will notice though that the primary direction of transphobic rhetoric is aimed at trans women and not trans men. this is a result of misogyny at its core. this is part of the phenomenon of transmisogyny, the intersection of misogyny and transphobia
It is also about patriarchy in that it is seen as a problem for a man to give up his patriarchal benefits, while it is seen as a virtue for women to seek patriarchal benefits. Same reason that gay men always suffered more gay hate than lesbians, the appearance of taking on the "feminine" role is viewed as a threat to patriarchy.
Are they doing this shit to AFAB people in men's sports?
chess is lmao
Yes, trans men are being forced to compete against women against their will. They never cared about fairness, it's entirely about hurting trans people.
Yeah max beggs in Texas. Trans guy wrestler who absolutely dominated because transphobic Texas politicians made him compete vs women.
What's the rule though?
That transgender people aren't allowed to play ... well.. pretty much any sports with their non-trans peers.
But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that.
You don't have to though.
Give blockers to all the kids so they have equal playing field
"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views… There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated.”
I read this in Stephen Merchant’s voice
No, its really not.they realized that the GOP is historically unpopular and are rushing to help them out
we may have to start making excuses for the lack of terror
"Harm reduction"
As a trans person, fuck sports, fuck the biden admin, I'm so fucking sick of this shit
It's really not complicated. If trans people are the athletic super soldiers they're made out to be we need to encourage them to compete in sports to make them less of a snooze-fest.
Trans people are apparently like the speedster from incredibles where they have super speed but pretends to not have it apparently.
It is a complicated issue tho. Some transphobes deserve re-education camps, while others need to get the wall.
But Muh “harm reduction” candidate
can you wait to have rights? The Most Important Election Of Our Lifetime™️is coming up and we can’t afford to lose the transphobes
And Hillary Clinton says the Democrats focus too much on trans issues. Still have no idea what the hell she's talking about. Have heard more about gay marriage than anything explicitly trans.
Look at all the harm being reduced.
Look at how this was and will be the most important election of our lives Clearly trans people are only good enough to get your rocks off to and then be discarded. But tell me again why I need to vote for
and how they're really any different from 
?Who the fuck cares about school sports?
There haven't been many studies for the impacts at the highest levels of competition (Olympic, World Cup, etc.)... For professional sports I'm OK with taking a more conservative approach, but who the fuck cares about school sports? There's so much genetic and age and socioeconomic variance that it literally doesn't matter.
I genuinely feel like this is such a non issue that even if I was completely wrong and science was a lie and trans women did have some kind of advantage over cis women in sports, it still wouldn't fucking matter because there are roughly six trans women playing sports at a high level. Manufactured outrage go brrrr.
ik so many trans women are shut in nerds (myself included, i pretty much only go outside to go to the lgbt center and avoid other situations at all cost)
This is a real genuine question. Can you link me to some peer reviewed studies from a reputable source? I can't find any that say trans women have zero advantage over cis women in physical sports.
https://www.cces.ca/sites/default/files/content/docs/pdf/transgenderwomenathletesandelitesport-ascientificreview-e-final.pdf As far as I know there is no real indicator of advantage, but it isn't the most researched subject of all time. Personally I think the lack of Trans women winning anything outside of like one swimmer once is pretty good evidence.
Oh nice this is on /all/ now. I'd just like to say that anyone that supports democrats after this deserves to be hit by a truck. That is all.
Eat shit, I genuinely hope physical harm comes to you.
On a tangential note, arm lgbt people.
some lemm.ee lib reported this for “advocating violence” lol. theres a couple references to accidental physical harm and self defense, but no advocacy for illicit, intentional violence!
The violence being perpetrated against trans people by liberals happened first. I have dead friends because of these fucks.
Fighting back is self defence. They advocated for institutional violence first. What do you think rules and laws are when they're targeted against the marginalised? If any of us break them do you think the system asks us nicely not to? No. It commits violence. That's not even considering the amount of trans people that actively kill themselves over the day to day hellscape liberals have created for the marginalised, but most particularly for trans people.
Eat shit libs. All you care about is brunch and treats while everyone beneath you gets fucking crushed.
In a better world, the right-wing position is to give every LGBT+ person an assault rifle. The centrist position is to give every LGBT+ person a bazooka. The left-wing position is to give every LGBT+ person a railgun. The communist position is to give every LGBT+ person a heavily-armed 30 foot tall mech.
Besides what everyone else is saying in defense of trans rights which are human rights, I want to add a tangential point. I wouldn't ever want my elected representative to think an issue is complicated. I sent you to the executive branch to exercise power on my behalf. Not to exercise fairness, not to exercise @Civility@hexbear.net . No, motherfucker, we WON, fucking act like it. I don't need the issue explained to me, you're not a salesman. You don't propose shit; I do. If you're the one for the job, I vote for you. You are my public servant. I don't know what drivel they taught you for that bullshit law degree, but it's clouded you to the reality that your will, desire, and vision for the country as an elected official is secondary to mine. The issue is not complicated as far as you're concerned; we'll tell you what the answer is.
yeah, it's a complicated issue when you're implementing mandatory penis inspections. very simple non-issue if you don't do mandatory penis inspections. even more of a non-issue if sports scholarships were completely unnecessary for obtaining an affordable education
In what others have described as a total shutdown of the Biden regime's statement, a user on Lemmy has replied, "it is not complicated." Other members said the response was "based" and that Biden was "owned by facts and logic." When reached for comment, President Joe Biden said "What? Hey man I'll--" and was interrupted by falling into his own toilet.
I GrumpigPoopBalls am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Jean-Pierre said
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Gotta love all the liberals coming in here telling us why it's "complicated", while pointing out they support trans right. No, you don't support trans rights. Because if you did, you wouldn't undermine those rights by parroting the same talking points as conservatives; talking points that are based on willfully ignoring facts, and even the lack of evidence that this is an issue that exists in the first place. It also gets tiring seeing those same people act like they know how trans people's bodies work, and not even acknowledge the fact that trans people go through biological changes if they can get gender affirming care, and are very comparable to their cis counterparts. The medical science on it is right there, and trans people's own experiences are living proof as well. But it's easier forming bullshit "opinions" instead, especially if you have a certain agenda (conservatives), or just don't care about said minority as much as you think you do.
Every asterisk is a failure
adding this to the long list of reasons im not voting for biden again when libs ask. my go-to is always “that fucker still owes me $600!”
So, you think voting for a Republican or not voting is going to get the job done?
Voting for Democrats means you are actually voting for Republicans because Democrats do whatever Republicans want, serve the same class, and are themselves Republicans. So not voting is actually harm reduction. Voting just helps Republicans.
I have a question that comes from being uneducated on the matter, and I sincerely want to be. Trans woman athlete, amab, didn't begin her transition yet. First, is it something that happens a lot, and secondly, how is allowing her to compete in female sports different from eliminating the distinction between male and female in competition?
One thing that often gets uncritically accepted is that school sports are about competition. Remember: these are children we're talking about here. Kids play sports for community, to have fun and be part of a team.
All this fearmongering about potential advantages and statistical differences in anatomy is missing the forest for the trees. These laws are about discriminating against trans people, not about athletic fairness.
Also yeah boy/girl segregation in sports isn't scientific and largely exists for misogyny reasons (either to give women a space to compete away from men or to remove women from competition because men got butthurt about losing to them)
Out of curiosity, if someone is engaging in good faith conversation how likely are they to be banned here on hexbearpig?
If it's sincere good faith, unlikely that banning will be involved
