DeGoogle Yourself @lemmy.ml hperrin @lemmy.world 1 yr. ago

I made an alternative to Gmail.

A new kind of email.

Hi, I’m Hunter Perrin, and I made a new email service called Port87.

Gmail was a great email service back in 2006, but now it just sucks. They put ads in your inbox that look like unread emails to trick you into clicking them. To me, that means Gmail is malware.

I’ve been degoogling my life for the past 7 years, and Gmail is the last Google service I depended on. I love ProtonMail and use it too, but I developed a new way to sort email automatically, and wanted to write my own service based on it.

Port87 lets you use a tagged address like yourname-netflix@port87.com, and that automically creates a “netflix” label and puts all email to that address in it. This helps keep your email organized automatically, and protects against spam and phishing.

The database abstraction library I wrote for Port87 is called Nymph.js, and it’s open source. Also the UI library I wrote is called Svelte Material UI, and it’s open source too.

I hope you all like it, and hopefully it can help migrate away from Gmail.

cool websites @lemmy.ca hperrin @lemmy.world 1 yr. ago

Port87 - automatically organized email.

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Nice. Why use '-', and not '+' like we are used to from google? One argument against '-' is that some people use it as part of their name.
- You can also use a plus sign if you want to, but it’s not accepted everywhere, so I recommend using hyphen instead. One example is that Microsoft doesn’t accept plus signs in emails addresses, but does accept hyphens.
  
  Usernames in Port87 can only contain letters and numbers, so there isn’t any issue with using it as a separator.
  
  Permanently Deleted
  
  The reason is that + is specified in the RFC as being for email aliases, so many systems ban it because they don't want you to be able to track who they got your email from. A hyphen, on the other hand, is a normal character.
  
  You're no RFC compliant doing what you're doing, but the advertiser won't catch on immediately because of it.
- Yeah, this fundamentally breaks email addresses since john-hertz@port87.com is the same as john@port87.com. If someone’s name is hyphenated and they’ve been able to use that in every other email address, it breaks their email.
  
  Hyphens aren’t allowed in Port87 usernames in order to prevent a situation like this. It’s surprising what is actually allowed to be an email address.
  
  "Some Guy"@[192.168.0.5]
  
  That’s a valid email address. There aren’t really any email services that don’t put limits on usernames though. Your Gmail username can’t be "Some Guy".
Are you able to guarantee that your email service will still be around a year from now? Or five years from now? Or twenty?

Not trying to hate, just want to make sure before I create an account and start using your service for literally everything. If you one day decide to shut down and I lose access to my primary email address, I'm screwed.
- This is a great question.
  
  I can guarantee it will be around a year from now (unless California or the United States is no longer around). I have no plans to close it or stop offering the service. I’m funding it myself, and I have enough to keep it going without profit for several years (probably over five years). For now, I’m letting people on through a waitlist so I can control its growth and understand the limits of the current servers. Then I can set up automatic provisioning based on those metrics.
  
  I’m trying to self fund it through profitability, so that the only people I have to answer to are my customers, rather than investors, who may not have the best interest of the customers in mind.
  
  As for twenty years in the future, I would love to still be in control of it, but I can’t guarantee that. If I do sell it, one of my top priorities will be that the new owner maintain the current domain name and users. Or if I step down as CEO, I would choose a successor that shares my vision and motivations.
  
  I’ll also be supporting custom domains in the near future, so if you join and use your own domain, then you could always transfer that to a new provider if anything does happen to the service.
  
  I hope that answers your question well and alleviates any concerns you have.
  
  This is a really thorough and useful answer. Nice one.
what is the business model for this service?

i couldnt find a privacy policy.

Sorting emails like this is really useful.
- Here’s the privacy policy:
  
  https://port87.com/privacy-policy
  
  You get 500MB free storage, and you can receive unlimited email. Here’s the breakdown of subscriptions:
  
  $0.99/month to send unlimited messages.
  
  $1.99/month for 2GB
  
  $5.99/month for 10GB
  
  $9.99/month for 20GB
  
  $19.99/month for 100GB
  
  $39.99/month for 1TB
  
  I’m working on a mobile app that will be free. For now, the web app is a progressive web app, so you can install that to your home screen and it works like a mobile app.
  
  I’m also working on other features that aren’t ready yet, but they’ll be premium features:
  
  IMAP, SMTP, and CardDAV support.
  
  Custom domain support.
  
  Additional users for your custom domain.
  
  So basically the business model is pretty similar to other email services. One difference is that I charge for sending mail, and basically that’s to prevent spam. Spammers are unlikely to use a real payment account, because it will get shut down when they’re caught spamming.
  
  Thanks for the informative answer.
  
  The business model seems to be subscription based which i like(decently priced imo).
  
  i suggest you looking into supporting external mail clients like k9/fairemail. Emails being encrypted at rest would be big.(People like to keep their stuff private even from the provider). Having a web app is nice tho.
  
  i hope your ventures into this become succesful.
  
  Why do you think you need a mobile app when there's already a ton of free email clients for mobile?
Congrats on doing your part. We need more privacy focus emails Competition and alternatives are great, I wish you success!
With ProtonMail filters you can do the same. Custom domain with all-catch address, use service-name@customdomain.com and use filters to send them the desired folder, or spam or delete it
- That’s what I was doing when I came up with this idea. It works well, but you have to create a filter every time you sign up somewhere. Also with mine you can screen senders (when someone new emails a label with screening, it will email them back a link to click to prove they’re human before the email is delivered).
  
  I think Fastmail already handles this gracefully, and has all the right integrations. Why should I use your service over Fastmail?
  
  For example, the integration with Bitwarden can generate a new username for every site you go on.
  
  I think to an attacker, your naming allows for identification of the pattern.
  
  Also, 100% spam identification… nothing in the world is 100%. Unless you count the verification for someone to send you an email, which I don’t know if I consider spam identification.
Will this be a paid for service?

We all need to realise, check what you are looking at and their business practice.

If it does what you need and does not exploit you, pay for the service!

Best of luck to you.
- There is a free tier that gives you 500MB and you can receive unlimited messages. More storage and the ability to send messages are available as paid subscriptions.
  
  I’m working on other features that will be paid as well, like IMAP access and custom domains. (I’m working on a mobile app that will be free, but the IMAP servers will be expensive to run, because they need to support more concurrent connections than the servers needed for the app.)
  
  I can’t compete with Gmail’s 10GB for free, but I can certainly compete on the fact that I don’t track you and don’t trick you into clicking ads!
Why should I use this over email aliasing services like addy.io or simplelogin?
- Mostly because mine is automatic. You don’t have to set anything up in advance. I was at the gym the other day, and I just put in hperrin-planetfitness@port87.com, and later when I checked my phone, the “planetfitness” label was there in my pending labels. I’m pretty sure they’re going to send me ads, so I’m just going to block the label once I’m sure I’m not going back.
  
  But also I think it’s a really good email system, but I’m biased, because I made it. :)
Svelete is quite fantastic.
This is awesome! The way this works is what I've been doing for years by manually creating different emails. Mymail.streaming@gmail, myemail.work@gmail, myemail.medical@gmail et cetera .I have literally dozens of Gmail accounts to keep things organized. The idea of people able to transition that to a single address sounds amazing. Can't wait to get approved.
- You’ve been doing it wrong. Gmail support Plus (+) Addressing in single accounts. There’s literally no need for “dozens” of Gmail accounts.
  
  Many services don't accept a + in an email address as a valid address.
- Fastmail offers this as well. I suggest looking into their offerings.
- Invite sent. :) Let me know if you have any issues signing up.
  
  can I have one too please? Thanks!
Kudos dude! I will definitely try this out ✨
Definitely will try this out.
Are all of its components open source?
- Not all. It’s made of mostly open source components though, with proprietary parts added on top. Here are the open source components it uses:
  
  Components by others:
  
  Node.js
  
  Express.js
  
  Haraka
  
  SvelteKit
  
  Svelte
  
  Components made by me:
  
  Nymph.js
  
  Svelte Material UI
  
  (These lists are not exhaustive.)
  
  I am also going to incorporate Nephele (the WebDAV server) and a yet to be named IMAP server into it, which are open source projects of mine.

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