Gaza says Israel's strikes on refugee camp kill more than 195 people
Gaza says Israel's strikes on refugee camp kill more than 195 people
U.N. human rights officials said Israel's strikes on the Jabalia refugee camp could be war crimes.
- Hamas-run government says Israeli strikes on Jabalia refugee camp in Gaza killed at least 195 Palestinians, with concerns raised by the UN that these could constitute war crimes.
- Evacuation of foreign nationals from Gaza is underway, with 320 already crossed into Egypt; about 7,500 are expected to leave within two weeks.
- The strikes targeted Hamas military leaders and infrastructure, with Israel’s campaign responding to Hamas' cross-border attacks from Oct. 7.
- U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken is set to visit Israel and Jordan to discuss the conflict and the need to minimize civilian casualties.
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Actual Reuters headline:
Hamas says Israel's strikes on refugee camp kill more than 195 people
OP’s headline :
Gaza says Israel's strikes on refugee camp kill more than 195 people
URL says Gaza, Reuters changed the headline after it was posted.
No editorializing from me. Reuters changed the title after I submitted the post. You can see it cached by Photon here:
So... Shouldn't you now change it to match what Reuters currently shows? (For those that don't know, you can edit titles, unlike with Reddit.)
EDIT: Downvote this all you want, but since they can be edited shouldn't titles be updated to match an organization's corrected headline? If I'm in the minority, why not?
I guess they should but it's not always noticeable.
Good reminder that titles can be updated. Reuters had already changed the title again to a completely different update. I'd also rather not try keeping up with it and to instead leave the version from when people first read and began commenting about it.
I don't see a problem here. I trust their numbers. They have released lists with all the people killed by Israel before and parts of those lists were confirmed by relatives living abroad. "Hamas-run X,Y,Z" is just a cheap way of trying to delegitimize palestinian deaths.
Like the 500 dead in the self inflicted hospital parking lot? Come on.
Hamas is a motivated and non-credible source for details.
Hamas has launched over 35 THOUSAND rockets over the years, which has barely killed 69 people, yet somehow now all of the sudden such a rocket fails and lands on a hospital and HUNDREDS die? Sure, so be it, but why would I even believe the IDF on this one? They haven't even provided any kind of proof. They provided a video which many organizations have debunked as being completely unrelated to the hospital rocket. Hell, even the New York Times debunked that video, and they're definitely west aligned.
That’s the point- 500 people didn’t die, it’s a made up number to grab headlines.
How many innocent Palestinians do you think have died since the 7th of October in general?
Who knows? I sure don’t. But I don’t believe 500 people died in a parking lot and I don’t take numbers from a motivated party at face value.
I sure hope the Hamas, IDF and the US fall under your "motivated party" definition too.
Y’all are bonkers if you equivocate the US and hamas. Legit they kidnapped, raped, murdered, than paraded the dead body of a young woman through the streets. This is the same group y’all go to for info?? Nuts man….
Do you have any idea about the US's history? Did you forget their lie about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to invade them, and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians? This is just one lie we're talking about.
The US has committed several war crimes, and killed millions of innocent civilians, they have killed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than Hamas killed and will ever kill.
A nice quote from the FUCKING CHARTER of Hamas “ The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: 0 Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! “
The organization is designed around genocide. You play with the idea that everyone is equally bad- that because the U.S. has done terrible things then all terrible things are equal. But Hamas was founded with the goal of eliminating a population. It’s not a fucking resistance movement fighting for survival- it’s a terrorist organization intended to wipe out another population.
How you equivocate the two is beyond me. If the Declaration of Independence had a line describing the death of Mexico or Canada then sure. But only one group has specifically called for the elimination of the a population- and that’s Hamas of the Jews.
And the IDF and the US have lied countless times before. I'm not american, nor israeli, nor an arab. I don't need to pick a side for info here. All three (US, IDF, Hamas) have lied countless times before. Anyway, last time I checked the US has caused hundreds of thousands of innocent deaths by using bullshit reasons such as "WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION", yet you tell me I should trust them more than some terrorists that killed 1000 times less people. I don't trust any of y'all.
If you're american, I want you to know that your country shouldn't be trusted at all with any kind of information. Your regime has caused countless deaths around the world. It has helped fascist dictators rise to power. Dictators that ended up killing hundreds of thousands of innocents. You don't have to take this from me. Take it from your very own government. All of this is declassified information. https://web.archive.org/web/20090911173014/http://foia.state.gov/Reports/ChurchReport.asp
So again, get off your high horse here. Hamas is a shit terrorist organization, I won't deny that. But I sure as hell am not dumb enough to believe your government on absolutely anything. Nor the IDF which has killed countless innocents before October 7th alone.
Do you think it's thousands of innocent women and children, or less?
How to be correct while being wrong folks...
It is a made up number, by western media not Hamas.
Hamas never made that claim.
It was a doctor being interviewed by al-jazeera. Even then it was a mis-translation of what he said that western media just ran with and never fact checked.
Please stop spreading misinformation to serve as a way to delegitimize one side.
There are plenty of REAL facts you can use.On the night of the explosion, the Hamas-run Gazan health ministry put the toll at 500 or more dead, which it later changed to “hundreds.”
Yeah that's the "western media just running with it" part. It really was a mis-translation by al jazeera, the guy said "casualties". As in wounded or killed. It was way too early to actually have an accurate assessment (as should be obvious by the round number).
I'll repeat it here since you seem like you missed reading it.
It was a doctor being interviewed by al-jazeera. Even then it was a mis-translation of what he said that western media just ran with and never fact checked.
Then like a dipshit you post me a link to a story by a western media outlet...
seriously..
A journalist for the Atlantic, New York magazine, Wired, and other outlets did a write up about it.
https://www.silentlunch.net/p/did-the-entire-media-industry-misquote
You can literally watch the video and translate it online.
Broski- you are trusting one guy over a credible news organization. And you cite “silent lunch”.
Isnt this scraping the bottom?? Do you have any credible sources?
Please explain what you think the following means? "A journalist for the Atlantic, New York magazine, Wired, and other outlets"
Never heard of substack either apparently. /smh
Broski- If you were SO sure it was bs why didn't you go to the video from al-jazeera and run his interview through a translator? You can do this all yourself, DON'T take my word or the word of the journalist reporting it...
do it for yourself before you look like more of a dumbass.We all know you won't because it goes against your narrative and you would rather believe a lie that reaffirms your biases and bigotry.
Having read the supplied article, the author has no information except that kills might be mistranslated. Not to get into the weeds, but it doesn’t dispute the source, nor does it offer more credible information.
And as a rule of thumb- a single dude publishing a substack doesn’t deserve more credibility than a long time news source. Not that the article supplies and information that might be argued- the whole point is that he didn’t get any information.
Theres still zero hard evidence to support it was Islamic Jihad and not the IDF, but keep propagandizing. It doesnt matter how often israel lies you will take it at face value
This is stupid distraction and whataboutism at this point. Israel has done way worse ever since.
Gaza's Hamas-run media office
Its weird seeing both Hamas and non-Hamas government related bodies. Kind of confusing juggling Gaza without Hamas, Gaza with Hamas, and Hamas's militant wing specifically.
Hamas is the defacto government of Palestine for close to ten years now. It's hard to untangle because they are genuinely intertwined. There isn't a significant difference between "government of Gaza" and "Hamas".
There's more to Palestine than Gaza, so while your 3rd sentence is very much true and more central to the issue at hand, the first one is quite incorrect and might lead people to forget about Abbas/Fatah.
Hamas is literally the elected government of Palestine. They are the authority in Gaza that releases these numbers.
Correction: Hamas is the government body of Gaza, not of all Palestine, which includes the West Bank.
Hamas is literally the elected government of Palestine.
Hamas is the government of Gaza, not all of Palestine. Palestine also includes the west bank which is under Fatah/PA leadership, they lost a civil war to Hamas in Gaza after Hamas was elected there. They haven't held another election since.
Thank you for the correction, I have edited accordingly.
You could also correct the part about them being voted in. They had around 40% of the votes in a multiparty election, kicked out their opposers and took over. The current population of Gaza is 50% under 18, most people don't live beyond 65 due to low life expectancy, and that last election was 16 years ago. They were not democratically elected and the majortiy of Gazans haven't voted for them.
That's how voting works literally everywhere. If you count the people that don't or can't vote, American Presidents are elected by like twenty percent of the population, and the winner doesn't even have to get a majority of the actual votes.
The statement that they were voted in is a true statement, so I see no reason to correct it because you don't like that fact.
They won seats but never formed a proper government. Sure it's a true statement if you want to be pedantic but it's missing the relevant context. It's not a nice and decent election in a normal and nice environment (thanks to Israel).
True, but it’s not like that election wasn’t ripe with controversy around its legitimacy. At the very least there was notable voter intimidation being practiced by a militarized group.
I'm certainly not endorsing the Hamas leadership of Gaza or their legitimacy, but the fact remains that there isn't a real distinction between "Gaza leaders" and "Hamas" at this point.
Thag sucks. But maybe it's Reuters changing their headlines?
You're right. Reuters changed it after this was posted.
So we are suppose to trust them equally as with that hospital attack.
Hamas never made that claim.
It was a doctor being interviewed by al-jazeera. Even then it was a mis-translation of what he said that western media just ran with and never fact checked.
Please stop spreading misinformation to serve as a way to delegitimize one side. There are plenty of REAL facts you can use.