Which language you wish would really grow and reach mainstream adoption?
Assume mainstream adoption as used by around 7% of all github projects
Personally, I'd like to see Nim get that growth.
If we're saying 7% is the bar for mainstream, then Rust is my vote.
C# is not even mainstream by that standard.
I'd also like to see Julia used more.
I personally find multiple dispatch far more challenging to use than OOP. I'd reach for Torch over Flux any day.
Although, I really like that the majority of the Flux stack is Julia rather than a collection of Cpp.
Where kind I find statistics for this?
The guy behind the youtube channel Context Free (about programming languages) made this site that tracks language popularity based on github/stack overflow: https://tjpalmer.github.io/languish
formal English
You monster
Currently out of stock, but what about
perl
use English;
use strict;
Zig hasn't been mentioned yet, so I'm just going to drop that here.
I personally have enjoyed the meta-programming, the ease of integrating with C libraries, and like that it's pretty straight-forward to compile.
Came here for Zig too. I never programmed anything in it other than hello world stuff. I think the world is waiting for the 1.0 release with complete tooling and package manager and a solid foundation that won't change too soon. I watched talks from Andrew and what this guy and his team is doing is amazing. It's a small team.
Haskell. I think that more people being familliar with Haskell concepts would be good for programing culture and it would increase the odds of me being able to write Haskell professionally, which is something I enjoy a lot when writing hobby code at least. Having more access to tooling and a bigger eco system would be nice as well.
I'm not a 100% sure about my answer though. For one, I might grow to resent Haskell if I had to use it at work, and there's also a risk that it would be harder to do cool innovative stuff with the language when more big companies depend on it.
Rust! Memory leak free code would make our world a better place!
At this point, I think it's almost mainstream, and it's still growing fast (and it's getting better, rust-analyzer is really awesome these days, I was there at the beginning, no comparison to today...))
I may be biased, but I think it'll be the next big main language probably leaving other very popular ones behind it in the coming decade (Entry barrier and ease of use got much better over the last couple years, and the future sounds exciting with stuff like this)
Rust. I've been using it for a while, and I've been using more software written in it lately. Stuff you make with it is just better in most ways. In other languages, you have to go above and beyond to make your code fully correct, safe, user friendly, and every trait I value in software. Rust makes those things easy, and so people are more willing to do them, and so things that get made in it are better. Oftentimes it's just a matter of pulling in a crate and adding a few lines of code.
I just wish Rust's syntax (and devs attitude) wasn't so unpalatably shite
I seriously can't stand that shit but I really like it's ideas
I'm learning Rust at the moment and I too think I have some reservations with its syntax. Most of these reservations come from my strong preference for functional programming over OOP.
I am unsure if I like method-syntax period, even if it isn't inherently OO. Chaining just makes me feel uncomfortable in a way piping doesn't.
Also it seems idiomatic for values of enumerated types to be written Type::Enum, which seems ugly and unnecessary.
What'd you make of this article?: https://matklad.github.io/2023/01/26/rusts-ugly-syntax.html
I think what you're calling ugly is just static typing. There's no way to make it look beautiful unless you leave the types away, but then you either end up with some kind of dynamically typed looking language by declaring things twice: once with types and then without.
At first glance, sure it would be easier to read, but if you have to look for the types then things get much harder. Either the types will be in comments, on different lines, or in a different file entirely.
It's doubtful you'll find a statically typed language that does a better job. C/C++ look even worse than rust. Go and Zig don't look good either, IMO.
Elixir... please I want an Elixir job
The most beautiful language. Why doesn’t every language have pipes?
I find Universal Function Call Syntax a much nicer solution than pipes, although I don't think it's quite as broad.
For example, taking the example from elixir's home page:
elixir
"Elixir" |> String.graphemes() |> Enum.frequencies()
would be
"Elixir".graphemes.frequences
in something like D
Why doesn’t every language have pipes?
Mario's favorite character
Elixir is such a beautifully designed language, my favorite language BY FAR.
(I want an Elixir job too 🥹 )
I’m obsessed with an extremely little known language called Grain. It’s not quite ready for production but it has an insanely intuitive functional syntax that I want to use noww.
Interesting!
I see OCaml with rust syntax, for the web, which checks out the project goal of bringing functional patterns to everyday programmers.
One of the most exciting things about Grain is that it compiles to WebAssembly.
That's a cool feature.
What is the particularity that you talked about?
In my point of view it looks like JS/TS with arrow functions. 😁
it looks like JS/TS with arrow functions.
JS/TS already has arrow functions.
Could you give some examples of what you like so much?
Futhark: a functional language that can be compiled to run in parallel on cpu or gpu. (No need to write cuda directly) https://futhark-lang.org
Until recently I never heard of crystal. There is a humble bundle for programming that includes a crystal book. That was the first time I heard of it.
I will have to take a look at the language. Who knows when having knowledge of crystal will be useful
I'd be interested in hearing what it is about the language that has gotten you so excited about it.
What could be the "killer app" for Crystal is an equivalent of Rails, since its syntax attempts to be very similar to Ruby. Even supposing it maintains all of Rails' inefficiencies, if it "just works" and has a very small learning curve for RoR veterans, adoption could grow steadily
Obligatory shoutout
Pony! Its actor based, with a really interesting type system
It's a pity there is not 1 code example on the Front Page. I spent a few minutes trying to find a page with some code and all I found was Why, Why Not, what is different etc and not any code examples so I am out. Look at Zig within seconds I can see if I like the syntax, does it make sense to me. I would love to know what Pony lang looks like. I might like it but it seems like
I would like to see Ada grow. Its clean syntax, rich expressive capabilities, and early error detection by the compiler due to strict typing create a very pleasant experience during development. This year, the language got a new standard. Recently, a package manager and a community index were created. There's an extension/LSP for vscode, etc. Along with great educational materials on learn.adacore.com, it's easy to pick up and start using this language.
PS I created a community on p.d two days ago: https://programming.dev/c/ada
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Assembly, which flavor IDK but some RISC architecture.
If everyone spoke assembly the world would be a very different experience. I'm not saying that it would be better or worse, but it'd definitely be different.
I think the problem is that processors can have slightly different instruction sets, possibly less likely with ARM and RISC (Reduced Instruction, after all), and how they interpret bits and jumps (big endian, low endian). Chibi Akumas has a lot of material for learning assembly of various CPUs, including older ones like 68k and 6502, something I'm doing on and off once in a while
Clojure deserves more love.
I really enjoyed Clojure in uni but i have no reason to use it in my day to day work
Go. I love writing go, its so simple and predictable and the accessability of multithreading and being allowed to create as many "threads" as I want make me feel smart as fuck.
Would you say Go is popular enough to be called mainstream?
Go is definitely mainstream imo, and it's backed by google.
{-# LANGUAGE OverloadedStrings #-}
import qualified Data.Text as T (Text)
correctAnswer :: T.Text
correctAnswer = "Haskell"
Rust
Klingon
most of the apps written in Klingon would have the "today is a good day to die" directive, which means no exception handling at all and bringing the whole OS down in glory if needed
Came here to say this. Thank you, fellow Trekkie (or, Trekker…I don’t assume age or which series/captain is better. Picard. It’s Picard).
Of course it's Picard.
I actually bought the second edition of Mastering Nim paperback the other day! Should be arriving tomorrow, hopefully.
I had fun dogfooding my interview problem in it, I feel like it's basically step forward as far as modern syntaxes go.
I would LOVE for Nim to get more web stuff
Swift.
It's a wonderful language, it's general purpose, it's cross platform, and it's open source (Apache license). I wish it was a mainstream language outside the of the Apple universe.
What I love the most is it's so flexible. It's a full featured OOP language, a full featured Procedural language, a full featured Functional language, a full featured declarative language, and you can relatively easily make it work with anything else you can think of.
It also has the best concurrency system I've ever seen - and with high performance computing relying so much on parallel computing these days that's a must and often what I miss the most in other languages.
A lot of other languages do some things just as well as Swift, but Swift does everything really well.
Completely agree. Unfortunately Apple will need to start treating Swift on non-Apple platforms as a first class citizen for it to achieve any sort of wider popular use.
When Lattner left, it was a signal that they were unlikely to ever move in that direction. Since then, I'd say they've moved further away if anything. They certainly made a hell of mess introducing SwiftUI and Combine (though glad to say things have recovered significantly since then).
Some fun stack-based concatenative language (like Forth or Min) :3 I like playing with odd/new-to-me things that change how I have to approach things in some way. ... Also I wanna find a Forth community I can stand 😅 That or maybe a similar low-level language, I suppose. I was thinking of using it for a project but... eegh. Bleh. Et cetera. Still might, but purely on my own terms I guess.
Also, more Haskell please :3 Or something else like it. We must spread the glory of FP nerdery @.@ ...And maybe get some more useful (and maintained) packages to work with instead of just kinda having to wonder what even builds any more v.v
There are some concatenative-related discord links in the sidebar of https://programming.dev/c/concatenative you may or may not be able to stand.
Anyway answering the main post: Factor (stack/concatenative), Nim, Roc, Zsh
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Interesting commagazine! ... I don't seem to be able to get to it through kbin :( Am already digging around in there, though, so thanks for the tip :3
If you like Haskell but desire better tooling, you might consider checking out Lean4.
Raku
Super niche, but I wish wren caught on. It's a language very similar to lua, but indexes start at 0. Also it has some cool features too, but mostly the index thing.
Wow, that looks really nice!
I use Lua for PICO-8 stuff and it works well enough, but certain parts are just needlessly clumsy to me.
Looks like TIC-80 supports wren. Might have to give that a try sometime!
Rosie Pattern Language, which is an alternative to regular expressions.
Edit: Here is a presentation by the creator
An alternative to regex sounds interesting, too bad their site lacks proper examples and, more importantly, side by side examples of equivalent regex, that's the best way to sell such an idea.
Tanks for this, first time I learn about Rosie, seems promising.
I've heard of one I don't know the name of that is trying to make it so you can just write the program with natural English kind of like how AI works off of prompts. Having grown up watching Star Trek and seeing how they would "write" holodeck programs by just giving the computer a detailed explanation of the program they wanted to run always made me wish we could do that IRL.
Inform 7 is the closest I'm aware of, for creating text adventure games.
Honestly, I prefer the control that comes with a more syntactically consistent grammar, but I definitely see a use-case for a higher level tool for non-programmers, or for prototyping.
If AI ever solves the DWYM problem, we're in trouble. Fortunately, it'll probably solve it the way a programmer does.
Hey, we'd still need programmers to keep the AI wrangled, wouldn't we? Like how robot workers would still need maintenance people. 😟
Just a guess: I think Inform fits your description
Perl
I love perl. It feels like I'm just writing exactly what I'm thinking. But then when I go to read it, I get the horrific feeling that jesus christ, this is how I think?!
Gross.
Ithkuill
I was going to say lojban but this works too
I think we can all agree on JavaScript
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I mentioned it in a reply but it deserves its own top-level answer.
R
I know is not considered a "proper" programming language by some, but I've been working with it for years for scientific data analysis and I love it
Malbolge
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codsu
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I'm testing for a development project for degree
Many here will hate this, but I am looking forward to just using English language to program and let AI handle all the minutia.
“Hi computer! Write me a program that make money. I must just run it and I become rich.”
Computer makes a blockchain. "Here you go! Keep running it in the background then just sell the mined coins!"
I don't know why you're being downvoted, but this could truly be the future of programming languages. We don't have to manually compile everything to assembly today, do we? Imagine simply using English for pseudocode, with an AI compiler that writes the most performant code.... How much would that speed up development time? Noone would need to know different languages.... The learning curve for programming relatively basic shit would be low.
I dunno, but I've seen a lot of unecessary hate for AI in the left leaning communities....
Syntax has never really be an issue. The closest thing to plain english programming are legal documents and contracts. As you can see they are horrible to understand but that the only way to correctly specify exactly what you want. And code is much better at it. Another datapoint are visual languages like lego mindstorm or LabView. It's quite easy to do basic things, but it doesn't scale at all.
A compiler has mostly fixed rules for translation. The English language often is ambiguous and there are many ways to implement something based on a verbal description.
Programming by using the ai as a "compiler" would likely lead to many bugs that will be hard to impossible to trace without knowing the underlying implementation. But hitting compile again may lead to an accidental correct implementation and you'd be none the wiser why the test suddenly passes.
It's ok as an assistant to generate boilerplate code, and warn you about some bugs / issues. Maybe a baseline implementation.
But by the time you've exactly described what and how you want it you may as well just write some higher level code.
Downvotes seem to be from denial based on the comments.
Esperanto.
Alas, there are enough serious problems to fill a book.
Given that Esperanto was created before most of modern linguistics, this isn't all that surprising. Programmers don't much write in Plankalkül either.
Toki Pona
A language that's hard to say much in even if you know 100% of the vocabulary.
Sorry to say, but once I realised how euro-centric, and to my ear/eye, latin-centric esparanto is I completely lost interest.
I don't know if anyone has tried, but something which similarly draws influences from the languages that the vast majority of the world speak would be wonderful.
You made me think of that xkcd about standards.
Anyway, the eurocentrism argument, while perhaps true due to the Latin root, seems to be a little bit of a savior complex don’t you think? China itself pushed for Esperanto to be used as a business language internally late last century as I recall.
Who cares if it's European sounding, it's still an interesting language that is relatively easy to learn, even for people from non-romance backgrounds.
Neo-Indo-European?
The issue is that modern languages are so diverse, you would wind up with a horrid, unusable patchwork.
Lojban
What disrupted the fun for me:
I think OP means programming language. Not the languages used by human to communicate each other.
Jes
As a regular person who speaks a non-indo-european language, yeah I thought that was obvious
I'd love to read more about that! Normally, I'd just do my own searching, but since you have actual expertise in the area, is there someone in particular I should search for who explains this?
I also want to clarify that I'm not skeptical; on the contrary, I can think of three reasons off the top of my head, as a layman who knows virtually nothing about Esperanto, just based on you identifying colonialism as an issue, but I was hoping to get an educated take on it.