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Banned from World@lemmy.world

Banned for 'Internet Slapfight' despite the vast majority of my comments being to debunk Hasbara, and disengaging from a Zionist troll when the attacks went from disinformation to personal

Post:

https://lemmy.world/post/30244778

Luckily none of my comments pertaining to the actual issue at hand got deleted, but how this somehow warrants a ban is completely ridiculous.

I do want to promote some better World News comms:

!world@quokk.au

!altmedia@altmedia.house Avoid due to their support of white Nationalist propagandist Tucker Carlson. See https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/19034187

For obvious reasons I won't be engaging with the lw world news, nor be able to debunk any hasbara there that aims to justify this genocide one way or another

52 comments

  • PTB. I read some of the comments and you are in the right imo (Even brought sources!). The other person was just both-siding the whole conflict and even went on some 4 comment long rant, thought at least they were banned.

    I also found this comment; hilarious how they weren't banned, but somehow you were lol

  • Everyone gets banned from .world eventually. Friend, consider it an honor. And welcome to the .world-banned club. You've got lots of company here! :)

    When I got banned there, not only did they celebrate my banning, they actually wrote a special post about banning me in the c/politics community (it's still there, people are free to look it up). All because I said I was gonna abandon the duopoly and vote third party.

    And .worlders clapped and cheered the day I got banned, hoping that they had bullied me enough that I would leave Lemmy.

    I'm still here. You will be too.

    Brah, bail on .world now and find another instance to be your home. Because .worlders will start stalking you and serial downvoting you. You'll be a lot happier on the cooler, less censorship-y instances.

    PTB!

  • Goddamn it. This community is nothing but posts about the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, and it's so fucking boring. Because you have the same users having the same fights in very post. RIP the Ye Power Trippin' Bastards community.

  • Well, there's this quote from you

    Oh, so genocide is ‘self defense.’ No, fuck off with that Zionist bullshit

    Now, while I understand going hard on important topics, because there's times I do itnmyself, it is definitely slap fight territory once you go there.

    I agree with your stance, I even agree that it's a topic worth fighting over.

    But it definitely is slap fighting from that point in the thread downwards.

    I want to side with you because I agree with what you said, but the only PTB part was it being a permanent ban. They do have a civility rule in place, so it isn't like the action was taken in a vacuum. If the rule wasn't there, it would be full PTB.

    So, sorry, but this one is on you enough that it's not PTB. I can't say you deserved a permanent ban though, so it isn't YDI either.

    • If that was the extent of my response, I'd say you have a point here. But that was in response to a multitude of disinformation used to blame the genocide and apartheid on the Palestinians, and I provided a multitude of sources to debunk those under that sentence.

      I also didn't even call the person I was replying to a Zionist there, despite it being true. I called the bullshit they were posting to be Zionist, because it was. I explicitly avoided what could be considered a personal attack, and instead attacked the substance of their comment as bullshit.

      Was it as civil as I could possibly be? No, but even then I'd say it's far more civil than any of those comments justifying genocide by blaming it on the victims, IMO

      • Yeah, but this community isn't about being right or wrong on a topic. It's about mod decisions.

        As such, if there's a rule in place, and the user breaks it, it's kinda on them unless the rule is egregiously out of line in the first place. We're all expected to check the rules of a community before jumping in and commenting. That's just how forums work.

        Once you crossed over that line, you put the issue into someone else's judgement as to whether or not to take action. It doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, or what the topic is. What matters is whether or not you broke community rules, and whether or not the mod took appropriate action.

        See, that's what I think people miss. This community here isn't just a place to vent about mod actions. It also serves as a place to crowd source best practices, and as a form of "AITA" as part of that crowd sourcing.

        If you come here with the expectation that the subject of the comment or post is the most important factor, you're going to be disappointed. In this case, I already said I agreed with your stance, but your stance simply doesn't matter in terms of what this community does. You could have been arguing the exact opposite stance, and it wouldn't change whether or not you broke a rule there, and thus is irrelevant to whether or not the mod action was appropriate or not.

        And, hell, I even said it was over the line for a single event as far as that goes. Should have been either a direct warning that you were crossing rules, or a temporary, short ban to give a cooldown period

        Any time a civility rule exists, there is only one answer to who decides what is and isn't civil discourse. The mods make that decision. They can be disagreed with, obviously. But if we as users behave in a way that makes them make a judgement call, it isn't always going to be the call we would prefer. And you did engage in behavior that can be easily interpreted as uncivil. It's our, your responsibility to check in with mods before going off if you care about the possible consequences.

        You did and said what you felt was necessary. That's a good thing. Sometimes fighting the good fight has unpleasant outcomes. You walk up and punch a literal Nazi, that's a good thing but you still committed battery. So you have to accept that there may be consequences despite having the moral high ground.

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