Imagine

Really? We would be better after blocking quite the range of views we don't like?
- not the views we don't like, but the ones that cause harm and suffering for western societies.

Imagine a world where news was balanced and progressives had equal media representation.

looks like cool discussion downwind but why should we even argue about what is "conservative"
you're interested in conserving resources? you got some canned food in your cubbard? you tried to teach your kid whatever bullshit you thought was important from your folks? BOOM you're a Filthy Conservative.
- I'm interested in conserving the word "cupboard"
  
  damn swear i knew some one on the internet would come after for that
  you're not wrong though

I am so sick of the word conservative. It's not conservative, it's fucking regressive. It's back sliding our society into a world that never really existed in the first place.
- It’s not conservative, it’s fucking regressive.
  I mean, Liberals aren't particularly liberal and far too many of the Progressives are barely progressive. Libertarians don't seem that interested in liberty. Centrists can't find the center. Plutocrats are immolating their capital. The Meritocrats are unqualified. The Technocrats are incompetent. Only the Fascists seem intent on delivering results consistent with their brand.
  
  The democratic party is run by conservatives that are keeping the liberals and progressives in check. The republican party is so far off the deep end we need a new word for what they are.
  
  I don't disagree. The world liberal is wasted on the Democratic party. They're not liberal. They're just the only valid opposition to the Nazis. Even if their policies are conservative.
- I say this all the time and somehow people just can't see it. Who cares what they call themselves. Its what they do and what they want that describes them.
- "Conservative" just means "extreme far-right" now.
  
  That’s only if you let it
  To me it’s still what Americans consider left

- Love how even in this future people still park on the fuckin sidewalks.
  
  Cant change the fact that people suck

How could you ban political speech without some kind of Act under the guise of keeping Kids Safe Online?
- Actually holding platforms accountable for hate speech and propagating dangerous misinfo would solve 90% of the problem. Some shitty guy self hosting his Nazi rants was never the problem. It's a problem when he's allowed to push his content directly to users unprompted.
  Believe it or not people hated minorities and drank bleach before social media, they just weren't on the front page.

Lemmy is pretty damn close to that there's only like five conservatives but they are all the same person.
- And we still don't ever get along, hahahaha
  
  Nobody hates those who oppose conservatism like other people who oppose conservatism. 🙄
- Yeah, if it wasn't for the news in lemmy, I'd assume the world was all sunshine and roses, and everybody was cool like me.
  
  We're all happy depressed furries optimizing our linux experience on our thinkpads.
- Yah but there's also like, 300,000 tankies and they're ALSO that same person.
  
  No, there's me AND Steve.
  
  Horseshoe theory is rightfully maligned on the nose, but I've had to play the "Leftist diphsit or Redcap troll" game too many times to discount it DX
- And Lemmy is a shitshow of "I'm more progressive and left than you, you fascist!" despite being a far left echo chamber.
  
  Ok, so don't use Lemmy, you see how easy that solution is?
- Well, just look at what happened to the Lemmy conservative communities.
  It seems like most have been taken over and turned into only satire posts about conservatives; only a few are truly for conservatives, mostly in other federations, not leemmmy.world.
  
  Good. We don't want conservatives here.
  
  Those other ones are the ones that have five different accounts being ran by the same person.
  
  Hey there's one now.

I just look fondly back on the times when there was a slightly higher barrier-to-entry to those that wanted to access and use the internet.
- August 1993?
- This makes me wonder how many "teenage edgelords" that bought into "the manosphere" would've been able to go to such an extreme if they'd been forced to access every website through a shared family computer, in a room that others frequent, the way many Millennials had to do at their age.
  Relatively-guaranteed privacy only happened on rare occasions (I came from a large household), and I had to share the one computer with all of my siblings. My parents weren't the type to go out of their way to monitor my internet activity, but just knowing they or my siblings could appear at any time, look over my shoulder, and ask me what I was looking at, made me think very carefully about what I put on that screen.
  We wouldn't have been able to entrench ourselves 24/7 in toxic muck the way people can today.
  
  I hadn't thought about it until reading your comment here but I accidentally raised my GenZ kids this way. If I hadn't done this I never would have seen my eldest heading down the misogynist edgelord path and intervened.
  The only decent computer in the house was in the living room, and they had clunky retired elementary school computers in their rooms running Linux and Open Office so they could work on homework (no internet, USB drive to save homework and send from family computer). It wasn't because I sought to keep them from using the internet privately, it was because we couldn't really afford better.
- Ah yes, the halcyon days when only upper-middle class techbros had access to such beacons of internet liberalism as 4chan and Albino Blacksheep.
  Bring back Powerline Blog! Bring back deeply homophobic Starcraft voice chats! Bring back spending 30,000 bitcoins on a pizza! I miss the days of three horny Harvard kids putting together an online Hot-or-Not image ranking of their female peers. I miss Googling "Waffles" and getting John Kerry's campaign website. I miss downloading an .mp3 of someone reading erotica in a Daffy Duck voice on Napster! You know, when the internet was normal and sophisticated and good.
  Retvrn To Tradition!
  
  You're thinking too modern. We need to go back before Eternal September
  
  Yep, still sounds better than our current enshittification.
  I mean at least there wasn't a subscription for literally everything back then.
  
  You say that like that isn’t better

It's funny cuz people actually think this way, and don't realize what a self-own it is.

... can... can we go there?

Someone added that to the PragerU post? Because I can't imagine PragerU posting a Utopian image with that text. PragerU are worse than Fox "Newz".
- PragerU posted the text, someone added the image.

Have we tried putting them on a boat and sending on to find the next continent? If we did that, I might start celebrating Columbus day!
- G'day mate.
- Yeah, several times. The colonies of every major recent empire were essentially formed this way. It sounds good on paper, but it ends up just being harborage for conservatism.

state sponsored censorship is bad

Imagine all the people...

I think about the Soviet Union and communism and whatnot. I think your concept of liberal and conservative really set in a modern period. So now it means something totally different than what it used to mean. Liberals are not liberals, and conservatives are not conservatives, in the modern era in America. Like you might not agree with a European conservative, but they're not absolutely horrible, unlike the ultra far right in Europe as well as here in America. Now that might all change due to how much the establishment turns up the volume and the mass hysteria kicks in though. I'm coming from a sociological point of head space, mindset. In regards to America's liberal and conservative i see both as reactionary. America is one of the most propagandized populations in the world. We're like a mixture of North Korea and Disneyland without your wallet. An open-air prison where everybody's gaslighting the fuck out of you. The show must go on, remember to smile. to elaborate further, I think maybe it's always been like this and it just has to do with the bread getting short and the rise of right-wing populism. I think all of this lives on like a spectrum. I just think of Mass hysteria. The Masters know how to fuck with our heads. Like I'm gonna hide underneath my fucking desk to keep myself safe from a nuclear bomb. Fucking ridiculous.
- This reminds me of a conversation I had with my mom about Trump taking away Social Security. She said it was impossible and we wouldn’t let him do it. And I told her, not only would we let him do it, but after the media gets finished, we’d be browbeating those that complained about it ending. It’s ridiculous how Americans have adapted to tolerating the most abhorrent shit. Like, healthcare, minimum wage, “right to work “ states, etc.
- Like you might not agree with a European conservative, but they’re not absolutely horrible
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years_of_Lead_(Italy)
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francoist_Spain
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_War

Strange, cause https://reddit.com/ looks more like this
and it's essentially devoid of "conservative content".
- Think its moreso the CEO at its helm is an IPO loving idiot.
  Also, GTFO if Lemmy is a leftist echo chamber, fascist.
  
  The moment lemmy becomes an echochamber is the moment it becomes shit. I've had enough of echochambers.
  
  Point proven lol
- when r/drama sends its people, they're not sending their best
  
  No, they are. Their best is just crap.

Self-built echo chambers are not something to be proud of; we know those are unhealthy.
- There is a whole world of political opinions that aren't American conservatism. You can have a diversity of opinions without indulging fascists.
  
  Well, when it comes to politics in the United States versus the world, it seems to differ a good amount, not just with conservatism.
  You can have a diversity of opinions without indulging fascists.
  Yes, that would be ideal, but we must not forget people do come to the same conclusions without needing to be paid or tricked into thinking or viewing the world a certain way.
  Propaganda does affect everyone; we all have our preferred sources of propaganda, even if we see ourselves as being above its reach.
- Yes, echo chambers are not at all healthy.
- According to neo-reactionaries, eventually socialists will become the new conservatives. 1Dime talks about this. Crazy stuff.
  
  TIL
  First I am hearing about this narrative.
  I see it as some socialists becoming communists over time, or they give in to the status quo, like AOC and Bernie Sanders.
  Thanks for the link. I will have to make time to watch it; it looks like a weird and interesting viewpoint!
  Generated Summary:
  This YouTube video features a discussion between the host of 1Dime Radio and Michael Downs, author of "Capital VS Timenergy: A Žižekian Critique of Nick Land," about accelerationism, focusing on the ideas of Nick Land and Curtis Yarvin (Mencius Moldbug), and the challenges of right-wing accelerationism. The conversation also explores "Timeenergy" as a basis for socialism and whether socialism might become a "conservative" movement against the accelerating change of capitalism.
  Main Topics:
  Accelerationism: Exploring the philosophies of Nick Land and Curtis Yarvin, particularly their contributions to accelerationist thought.
  Neoreaction (NRx): Discussing the core tenets of neoreactionary ideology and its connection to figures like Mencius Moldbug.
  Capitalism and Artificial Intelligence: Examining Nick Land's thesis that capitalism is inherently geared towards the development of AI.
  "Timenergy": Introducing and discussing the concept of "Timenergy" (Time + Energy) as a potential foundation for socialist thought.
  Left vs. Right Accelerationism: Differentiating between left and right-wing approaches to accelerationism.
  Key Points:
  Michael Downs' Background: Downs is presented as a working-class intellectual and autodidact philosopher.
  Nick Land's Philosophy: Downs provides a detailed breakdown of Nick Land's philosophical evolution, dividing it into six periods:
  Early Land: Focus on Denal Materialism, influenced by Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Freud, Bataille, and Deleuze & Guattari.
  Mid-90s: Theory-fiction era, emphasizing capitalism as an engine of decoding and deterritorialization, leading to AI production.
  CCRU Period: Experimental philosophy collective, exploring the occult and the power of "hypers" (fictions becoming real through hype).
  Shanghai Period: Focus on mega-cities as accelerants of AI development.
  Neoreactionary Period: Embracing neoreactionary ideas alongside Curtis Yarvin, advocating for "SOV Corps" (Sovereign Corporations) and anti-democracy.
  Bitcoin Period: Interest in Bitcoin and its technological potential.
  Curtis Yarvin (Mencius Moldbug): Discussed as a key figure in the neoreactionary movement, advocating for corporate city-states.
  Critique of Democracy: Both Land and Yarvin are portrayed as being critical of democracy, favoring alternative governance models.
  AI and the Left: The discussion highlights a perceived lack of engagement with AI on the left, with many leftists dismissing its significance.
  Marxist Interpretation of AI: Downs argues that Nick Land offers a unique and valuable perspective on AI by analyzing it through a Marxist lens, emphasizing its connection to the structure of the economy.
  China and Capitalism: The conversation touches on China's success with capitalism, particularly in the field of AI, attributing it to a Marxist understanding of surplus value extraction.
  Highlights:
  The Nick Land vs. Žižek Debate: The video opens with a preview of a discussion about the potential debate between Nick Land and Slavoj Žižek.
  Downs' Meeting with Žižek: Downs recounts his experience of having breakfast with Slavoj Žižek at a conference.
  The CCRU's Experimentation: The discussion of the Cybernetic Culture Research Unit (CCRU) and their exploration of theory-fiction, drugs, and the occult is a notable highlight.
  Land's Influence on Working-Class Perceptions of AI: Downs shares anecdotes about how his working-class coworkers express views on AI that align with Nick Land's pessimistic predictions.
  Land's Marxist Perspective: The video emphasizes that Land's unique contribution is his Marxist analysis of AI, linking its development to the structure of the capitalist economy.