Ukraine Faces A Growing Risk of Outright Military Collapse If No Deal Struck
Ukraine Faces A Growing Risk of Outright Military Collapse If No Deal Struck
The European Union continues to make no diplomatic efforts to find an end to the war, as chief diplomat Kaja Kallas wrote today that the “longer Russia wages war, the tougher our (sanctions) response.”
How are they still threatening someone with sanctions after already doing 17 rounds of it?
Everthing that can damage the Russian war economy has already been done at this point, but I guess they're gonna be real scared when they read about that 18th sanction package.I'd like to see ol' Putin wriggle his way out of THIS jam!
It really is incredible isn't it. These people just keep trying the same thing, that's been hurting them far more than Russia, and they're literally unable to think of anything else to do.
I love how after Months of extensive talks all Euros can come up with is more sanctions.
The fact that this Estonian ghoul is the "chief diplomat" is such a tell.
Ultimately the fault of the nationalist ukranian elite and the west for letting it get to this, they could've given ukraine an easier out right after the war began but now it's gonna pay the price for giving russia a bloody nose and get basically no meaningful reward
If they accepted minsk 2.0 then they would have just lost crimea. But greed and chauvinism was stronger - and so a million Ukrainians were sacrified at the altar
At this point I pretty strongly believe that total collapse and occupation by Russia would be far and away the best outcome for most Ukrainians
Not exactly sure about that, there's going to be a substantial insurgency either way.
Yeah, either way. The best outcome for Ukraine would’ve been to tell the west to kick rocks in like 2013, not done ethnic cleansing, and not gotten into this situation in the first place.
But now the best outcome is anything that ends the war with the least amount of control by the United States.
There will definitely be an insurgency but I'm not sure it's going to be as powerful as many think. With the losses Ukraine has suffered, there won't be a huge reserve of people willing and able to carry it out, similar to how there was very little Nazi insurgent activity after the end of the war because most of the true believers with military experience had been killed by that point. This is probably an additional reason as to why Russia is carrying out its attritional strategy, as it partially defangs the inevitable insurgency. But I suppose the counter to my argument is that a Ukrainian insurgency would almost certainly have Western intelligence backing, whereas the Nazi's Werwolf was an anemic project from the outset with no outside backing.
In the west, which I doubt russia will occupy. Central and Eastern Ukraine will be no issue.
You strongly believe Russia should occupy the parts of Ukraine that are majority Ukrainian? Why?
This is a country that was already not wealthy to begin with, which will have to deal with the devastation caused by the war, with the remains of a military increasingly run by card-carrying neo nazis and with having lost an entire generation of men. And if that wasn't enough, Ukraine has already agreed to let Western capital loot the country and strip it for parts the second the war is over, like the extortion deal they signed with the US. Even if Putin were to sign an unconditional ceasefire tomorrow and retreat from every occupied territory, Ukraine would be absolutely and completely fucked.
Those territories becoming part of Russia would cause its own share of problems, sure, but I can see how Russia would be more capable of rebuilding and maintaining at least a minimum of stability.
The Ukrainians built their national identity around worshiping a Nazi-collaborating pogromist. I hardly think Russia could make the place worse.
I thought the military tap was back on after Trump made the "loot all natural resources" deal. Does someone need this?
The natural resources deal is meaningless if Ukraine neither wins nor makes peace. And it is impossible for it to win.
Therefore, Trump's victory condition is peace.
Darn. Oh noes! Shucks!
the translator they brought to the second Istanbul talks , immidiatly defected and then they had a parade in london with some ukrainians and they all also defected , i think we in the end phase.
that's incredible, everybody there must know the gig is up
That link is just to a video of a march? there is no mention of defection
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
but NAFO nerds told me that russia would take 112 years to take Ukraine???
Libs thought Ukraine was winning because Russia wasn't gaining ground. It never occurred to them that Russia's strategy has been to deplete Ukraine's strength until they can take as much as they please.
Well how could they conceive of that when in their world Ukraine hasn't suffered a single casualty
It is just a month ago I read a dead serious article about Russia now being so short of vehicles that they were riding donkeys and camels into battle.
Yea i mean Russia was just doing human wave attacks of unarmed people who had never seen a toilet according to reddit.
I don't understand what the problem is.
To be fair to them, we haven't seen an attritional war strategy enacted since probably Vietnam, and never an attritional war strategy by near peer adversaries in the 21st century.
But on the other hand, all late game TvT ends up becoming attritional, with the player who is most able to efficiently use resources usually winning. Map painting rarely wins you the game unless you are being precise and strategic in what is being painted and where. I distinctly remember calling this strategy when Russia retreated over the river in the South saying that while it was a political disaster, it was absolutely the best military strategic move if the point was to grind down a weaker opponent. Make them take and hold the strategically useless, but politically important land. I was told I was 'coping'.
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Wasn't the Syrian Civil war several years of attrition before the rebel coalition mostly collapsed (in the first half)?